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Catholic nun on the hypocrisy of ‘pro-life’ Republicans: ‘They’re not pro-life, they’re pro-birth’

A well-known advocate for women’s rights and the author of over 50 books, Sister Joan Chittister has made a name for herself challenging the misogynistic forms of legislation that target women’s reproductive rights.

A well-known advocate for women’s rights and the author of over 50 books, including a new one set to be released in September, Sister Joan Chittister has made a name for herself challenging the misogynistic forms of legislation that target women’s reproductive rights.

With the recent news of Planned Parenthood under a new barrage of onslaughts from conservative pro-life groups, a decade-old quote from the Benedictine nun has been getting quite a bit of attention.

The quote was first lifted from an interview Chittister did with Bill Moyers on PBS back in 2004. Although its over 10 years old, the message is still powerfully relevant and directly attacks the hypocrisy of anti-abortion policies as legislated from the Christian right:

I do not believe that just because you’re opposed to abortion, that that makes you pro-life. In fact, I think in many cases, your morality is deeply lacking if all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there.

That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth. We need a much broader conversation on what the morality of pro-life is.

From the same interview, Moyers asked her what she thought about the immovable ideology of the modern day religious right, referring the “dogmatists who do not want to admit that the other side might have some claim to credibility.”

Dogmatism will always get you there. Ask a Catholic. We’ve been there. We do it well. It was dogmatism that split us in the first place in the 16th century. It’s dogmatism, this whole notion that there is a truth, the truth. that is the eternal truth and the unquestionable truth means that whatever the holy spirit, whatever, whatever the impulses of a creating God goes on creating. We have to close our mind to those.

She then used Galileo as an example of what happens when religion closes itself off to the ever-evolving truth of science.

[Catholicism] threw Galileo into house arrest for two or three years. Why? Not because of his science, that’s silliness. Because of his theology. The theology taught that we were the center of the universe. We were God’s rational and best creatures. When the little telescope, when he handed the Pope a telescope and said, “Look, we’re not the center,” they wouldn’t even pick up the telescope. That’s dogmatism. And that’s what we have to be very careful of.

You can watch her full 2004 interview with Bill Moyers here.

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  1. Tom Galloway

    July 31, 2015 at 4:36 pm

    Sister Chittister is full of Chitt. Who made her an authority on anything? God’s laws are above her puny theories or suggestions. Thou shalt not kill.

  2. janettedw

    July 31, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    “… all you want is a child born but not a child fed, not a child educated, not a child housed. And why would I think that you don’t? Because you don’t want any tax money to go there. That’s not pro-life. That’s pro-birth (only).”

    There are 7 billion humans on the planet already with plenty more being born, all of whom need your/our care to grow into loving, contributing human beings.

    Please consider putting your energy into positive life affirming support for the already born instead of into punitive rage against people who have the ability to know if birthing children is a good choice for their lives in any given moment.

    As to your angry response to this article, I am guessing you feel safer within the framework of the kinds of dogmatism that Sister Chittister is describing, and it is probably terrifying for you to contemplate living without your chosen dogmas. However, I can hope you just might find it possible to tolerate some ambiguity in your life and begin to be able to appreciate that choosing when to give birth is a very life affirming decision.

  3. ken hackett

    July 31, 2015 at 9:09 pm

    Why do you Christians start wars if you believe thou shalt not kill???

  4. Artie Ripp

    July 31, 2015 at 10:06 pm

    Who made YOU an authority on anything? Your penis? Get over yourself. She’s correct.

  5. Emily Martin

    July 31, 2015 at 10:36 pm

    God’s laws, as expressed by the words of Jesus, validate the rest of her statement. Do you have anything of substance to say in response to what she really said?

  6. mdevr512

    July 31, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    Except 500k Iraqis killed by W in his genocidal and illegal invasion, killing them was just A-OK, right Tom Galloway?

  7. God is imaginary

    July 31, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    Cool delusions, bro!

  8. Dee Santucci

    July 31, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    Ummmm Since when are your religious beliefs part of our Constitution????? Do you believe in the death penalty? Do you believe in making a woman have a baby if her life is in danger? If men had to have the babies they would have figured out a way to make it ok in “God’s eyes” a long time ago. Your God’s laws should not be laws of our
    Country. We are assured separation of Church and State in our Constitution. If you want to live in a Religious state, move to Iran!

  9. ribluebird

    August 1, 2015 at 12:53 am

    Then WHY DO WE WARS if you are so big on Thou shalt not kill?

  10. Jorge

    August 1, 2015 at 12:55 am

    Troll.

  11. Geoffrey Hayes

    August 1, 2015 at 3:10 am

    What century are you living in? Who the hell says “thou” and “shalt” these days? What was true five hundred years ago isn’t true today no matter how much you try to pretend it is.

  12. Rachel

    August 1, 2015 at 4:05 am

    she’s absolutely right

  13. Steve Peterson

    August 1, 2015 at 5:34 am

    She fails to take into account the fact that pro-life does not equal anti-birth control. The old saying, “don’t breed ’em if you can’t feed ’em” rings true. Use the pill, use rubbers, but don’t use abortion as birth control. And by the way, there are millions of people out there ready to adopt babies and feed and educate them. Catholics are now into wealth redistribution on a societal level and this is one way they can attempt to shame pro-life conservatives… except it just doesn’t hold water.

  14. Greg Wendt

    August 1, 2015 at 5:48 am

    Bunch of kitchen sink fallacies. A sense of life is not defined by throwing tax dollars around. Quite the opposite. Such dependency is anti-life. Typical mystic garbage. And she’s wrong about Galileo, the issue was his slandering the church when the refused to change the calender without better proof. Once Kepler improved on the data, the Church changed it.

  15. Laurence Alexander

    August 1, 2015 at 5:57 am

    Who made her an authority on anything? … Well if she did all the stuff required to become a nun … I guess God did. She is a ‘bride of christ’ which means she is Gods daughter-in-law. I suppose you could yell nepotism Tom – but no one is going to take any notice. :p

  16. Angelus Thorn

    August 1, 2015 at 2:52 pm

    Ancient Christians believed that souls came from a place in Heaven known as the Guff (spelling may be off) when a child is born thier soul comes from there. If a child is not born it soul remains there and seeks a new host. When the Guff is empty and a soulless cold is born that child shall be the anti Christ and Herald the end of the world. I believe these souls get a better chance with a better family.

  17. Betty Britton Williams

    August 1, 2015 at 7:16 pm

    Tom Galloway: Men are the root of all women’s problems. They would be better off just keeping their zippers and their mouths shut.

  18. halcyon

    August 1, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    She didn’t say to kill. Her suggestion is to take care of human life after it’s born. Is God against that? Try actually reading it before commenting.

  19. Waynette Miles

    August 1, 2015 at 9:44 pm

    We war because there are those who do not believe in a loving God and would prefer to worship a god that teaches killing and hate. They cause the wars by trying to destroy any who don’t believe as they do and we have to defend ourselves. God doesn’t say let them kill you.

  20. Grace

    August 1, 2015 at 9:46 pm

    Sr. Joan apparently believes that if someone is against abortion they are not pro-life but rather pro-birth, based on a misconception that ALL they want is to insure that the helpless infant inside is born.

    True pro-life advocates would not stop there! To be pro-life means that we are ultimately defending ALL life, young, old, senile, sick, etc. The foundational pro-life belief is that we respect the dignity of all human persons from the moment they are conceived to the moment of their death. Even our death rituals extend that respect.

    And although the dogma of the Catholic Church in the past has been incorrectly based on the scientific knowledge available at the time, as in Galileo’s case, the knowledge we have gained from the scientific inquiry and technology now supports the belief that an unborn life in the womb is not just a worthless blob of mangled cells, but rather a beautiful life with the ability to breathe, eat, play, cry, laugh, like and love, grow up and grow old, and finally take his or her final breath. That life must be protected and respected throughout.

  21. Lee H. Thompson

    August 1, 2015 at 10:44 pm

    Everyone on the planet takes part in killing in some way pretty much all the time. So there really is no one who is “without sin” and yet out of all the remaining uneducated, uninformed we still “cast the first stone” judge, blame etc. without realizing all life is sacred. There really is no difference between the constant flow of life and death of humans and everything else that moves and has it’s being on this planet. What did you have for lunch or dinner? Fish, chicken, beef etc. All the plants, bugs, reptiles and so on. Without even knowing it everyone of us has directly or indirectly killed something either knowingly or not being conscious of. Do you drive a car or ride in any other type of vehicle? How many animal and bug parts are allowed in all the food we eat. And that would only be one small example of how we are all connected. Paradox is everywhere. And we all have to deal with it. So if science gives us a method for a level of control of our lives and there is much good that comes of it,, then what. Black and white thinking is not wise thinking. We have to evolve. Every day ask: How well did I live. How well did I love. How well did I learn to let go.

  22. glesslib

    August 1, 2015 at 10:56 pm

    You GOPers don’t like being called on your bull, do you?

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  24. prickcaller

    August 1, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    + are u god? Get off your high horse TOM, ur not even a women.

    How far would it be from people the likes of you will condemn any forms of birth control as thwarting gods idea of love but in actuality ITS YOUR IDEA GET OUT OF HERE PIG

  25. C

    August 2, 2015 at 2:10 am

    I agree!

  26. john

    August 2, 2015 at 2:35 am

    As much as I love ya, This is PURE Bull Chitt! It is an effort to cloud an issue. And I will look her up and let her know she is full of crap! If we judge Lyndon Johnson’s Great Society only by the dollars spent to improve the lives of the poor and near-poor, an astronomical $20 trillion, it was a success. Its dimensions:

    The federal government runs more than 80-means tested programs that provide cash, food, housing, medical care and targeted social services to poor and low-income Americans.

    Government spent $916 billion on these programs in 2012 alone, and roughly 100 million Americans received aid from at least one of them, at an average cost of $9,000 per recipient. (That figure doesn’t include Security or Medicare.)

    Federal and state welfare spending, adjusted for inflation, is 16 times greater than it was in 1964. There are more people today on the government tab than are not. If you and this Leftie Nun want to conjure government ethics, conjure this: The current ‘Give Away Status’ is unsustainable and the whole thing will crash around us at which point NO ONE, children thru elderly infirm will be helped!!! The old “Teach a man to fish” story!!

  27. 100%Life

    August 2, 2015 at 4:09 am

    Wow…This woman. How can she call herself Catholic and so blatantly disregard one of the core commandments? We need to work on reforming things like welfare, and CYS. That’s 100% true. But it doesn’t solve that problem when you disregard a life in the womb!

    Oh, and scientifically, it is VERY hard to argue a child in the womb is not alive and human. I present my science based arguments, and get the thinnest responses. So Galileo is pretty irrelevant here…

  28. wreed1

    August 2, 2015 at 6:58 am

    Is there any hard evidence to prove her point about pro-lifers not caring for a child once the child is born? I’m not sold on the supposed notion about pro-lifers abandoning kids once they’re born. Personally, I think pro-choice people made up this notion just to get people to support them.

    Btw, stories from Huffington Post, Buzzfeed, Daily Kos, and any other left-wing sites will NOT count as evidence. Stories from moderate sites will be accepted.

  29. Lee

    August 2, 2015 at 7:52 am

    Just for one of the MANY examples of times God supposedly ordered someone’s death: NUMBERS 31:17-18

    If god said “Thou Shalt Not Kill”, and is infallible (Never makes mistakes), how can He later command the death of anyone?

    He did not say “Thou shalt not kill until I say otherwise”, or “Thou shalt not kill without my permission”, or “Though shalt not kill just because you want to”…

    He said “THOU SHALT NOT KILL”. Period. Don’t do it.

    So either God changed his mind, or the Bible is full of shit. Choose one.

  30. Deborah Harris

    August 2, 2015 at 8:02 am

    Mothers and Fathers are killed every day in wars but you want to restrict a woman’s right to decide if she can afford or care for a baby. Then wash your hands of that baby when it”s born.

  31. Kim adams

    August 2, 2015 at 11:35 am

    Are you planning to adopt any children that are carried to term tom galloway.? Just wonderin.

  32. Joe Green

    August 2, 2015 at 1:34 pm

    Sounds like the good sister needs to take a few courses in logic. Her entire “pro-birth” rant against pro-life people is a classic strawman. Who exactly is calling for NO MONEY to go to feed, educate and house needy children? Of course, liberals rely on fallacious arguments to support all of their beliefs so it’s no surprise this quote would give those running a leftist website a chubby. BTW, what does the nun think of pro-abortion folks?

  33. Ginger Connell

    August 2, 2015 at 3:21 pm

    Love Sr Joan! Her wisdom and theology are spot on as far as I’m concerned. She gives me hope that all the RCC will eventually truly listen to the inspirations of the Holy Spirit.

  34. Bambi

    August 2, 2015 at 3:56 pm

    What? I don’t recall reading that she was an authority on anything. You seem awfully nervous about people having opinions. Are you okay? I hope you feel better soon.

  35. Ann Sullivan-Larson

    August 2, 2015 at 4:11 pm

    You are one hateful human being, if that’s what you take away from this. You know what makes her an authority? Common sense. Go ahead and dispute it, then. Dispute how requiring a child to be born and then abandoning it without food, education or shelter constitutes being pro-life. Go ahead, tell me how that works. And while you’re at it, tell me how being pro-life means being okay with the death penalty. Go ahead and tell me how being pro-life means printing scripture verses on guns to shoot at other human beings. Do tell. The plain, clear, common sense answer is that you are full of s*** yourself, hypocrite.

  36. Robin Brown

    August 2, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    I’m guessing you’ve given your life to god, and hold a PhD like her? No? Well maybe that’s why you can’t think of anything better to reply with than a 5th-grade poop pun.

  37. lolthoushaltnotkill

    August 2, 2015 at 7:46 pm

    Tom, the crusades would like to have a word with you.

  38. Randall Woods

    August 2, 2015 at 8:37 pm

    When the Ten Commandments say “Thou shalt not kill,” with understanding the Hebrew it is saying you shouldn’t commit murder; killing with angry intentions. Abortion I do believe is killing an innocent life, but she does make a good point in that so many people are “pro-life” but aren’t willing to provide children with the means to live; food, shelter, and education.

  39. Bob

    August 2, 2015 at 9:05 pm

    Lol, after finding the dead sea scrolls they have determined the bible was translated incorrectly and it is actual Thou shalt not murder. Which actually makes sense since the bible is full of killing .

  40. Barbara Roberts

    August 2, 2015 at 11:48 pm

    Do we not put our authority above that of God, who gives life, when we choose to end life? Can we cancel God’s command to NOT kill? It is heartbreaking for any child to come to the world not welcomed; there are no guarantees for anyone. I am thankful for churches and others who are generous to stand in the gap for the children in this world who are not cared for; it is why I support charities and churches who care.

  41. Ida

    August 3, 2015 at 2:43 am

    Sister, you weren’t there to know first hand why Galileo was put in jail and you weren’t there to see the telescope scene either, besides you are a nun, so where is your relevancy on motherhood? I don’t care how many books you’ve “written”.

  42. L

    August 3, 2015 at 5:44 am

    Pretty sure the commandment is actually Thou shalt not commit murder. The bible itself is pretty big on the killing front…

  43. mycosys

    August 3, 2015 at 6:06 am

    Yes,of course,the one who has spent their life on the subject is the one who knows shit. I guess you stone people who wear polycotton or eat shellfish or disobey their parents as your inviolable book says?

  44. PJ

    August 3, 2015 at 6:59 am

    She’s not supporting abortions. She’s saying the people who oppose abortion but do NOT support feeding, housing, and educating children are not pro-life, they’re pro-birth, because life doesn’t end at birth.

    You can’t oppose abortion and ALSO oppose helping the poor and say you’re prolife.

  45. ntare

    August 3, 2015 at 1:56 pm

    we talk about pre- life and we fail to take into account the role of the scramble of nations by catholic church due to wealth leave alone killing and enslaving! catholic pope is the first one who introduced slave idea.

  46. Carol Ann Neeley Kilgore

    August 3, 2015 at 8:44 pm

    So much cleaner if the child dies of starvation or illness due to scarcity of health care of funds for food. Bring them into the world and then let them die. Of course, that is exactly what God wants…

  47. Carol Ann Neeley Kilgore

    August 3, 2015 at 10:41 pm

    Your world is obviously a more comfortable one that the real world since you believe God has control over everything and that the Bible is the be all and end all of life. If that were so, why doesn’t God step in and make sure bad things don’t happen, that children don’t starve or die of cancer. And please don’t quote the BS that this is the world and we are born in sin. The substance is, some people prefer to distance themselves from the real world by quoting the Bible…when in reality, God has no real interest in all of our little lives.

  48. cunger

    August 4, 2015 at 4:44 am

    George Bush invading Iraq had nothing to do with religion. In fact many of those who participated as soldiers and politicians who approved of it were not Christians.

  49. cunger

    August 4, 2015 at 4:49 am

    Please don’t lump us all together. I’m a Christian and like Jesus I’m a pacifist. A religion is not based on what the followers decide to do. Like it says in the bible we are all sinners. Christianity is a peaceful religion based on the life of Christ but unfortunately there are those who choose to disobey his teachings. Particularly the teachings of turning the other cheek and that we will not wage wars the way the worlds does.

  50. cunger

    August 4, 2015 at 4:52 am

    Tom… It’s well understood that murder and killing is against the Bible’s teachings. I think we all know that the discussion really comes down to one thing. And that’s when life begins. I will leave that one in the hands of the scientific community to debate as the bible doesn’t give clear direction on it. Nobody is pro murder or pro killing in regards to this issue.

  51. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:45 pm

    first your Dawg would have to exist. 🙂 Kinda touchy sounding, you are.

  52. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    All a bunch of stories without proof. Got anything real to offer?

  53. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:50 pm

    Steve, the problem as I see is is the fringe ‘pro-life’-ers are also anti-contraception.

    They appear to be more about controlling womens’ sexuality than actually cultivating a culture of life where every child is a wanted child.

  54. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:51 pm

    Gotta disagree…Galileo bucked church authority on infallibility, and NO totalitarian regime can allow that.

  55. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:53 pm

    Oh, *really*? Then why are we over THERE, attacking and killing *them* in droves rather than them being *here* and us being an occupied territory?

    Muddy thinking won’t help the issue any.

  56. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    and here we see the “No True Scotsman” fallacy in all its glory.

    If you look at the talkers and the politicians on the ‘pro-life’ side of the argument, you’ll see EXACTLY what the sister described.

  57. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:56 pm

    Sounds like an attempted derail because you can’t directly address the sister’s points, to me…..

  58. required

    August 9, 2015 at 6:58 pm

    I don’t believe in the religion or commandments, and we’re a *SECULAR* society, so keep your superstition’s non-universal rules off other people’s bodies.

    And by your ‘scientific’ standard, you wouldn’t be allowed to have surgery to remove cancer….after all, it’s got human DNA that is probably different from the host’s DNA, and can only survive within the host’s body as a parasite on the host’s bodily ecosystem.

  59. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:00 pm

    Look at what the ‘pro-life’ set has to say about *welfare mothers*, and what ‘pro-life’ politicians have to say about taxing to support them (look at Kansas for some recent horrible examples), and then ask yourself that question again, please?

  60. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:02 pm

    Kim, *exactly*…that crowd is so hypocritically sanctimonious while demanding to be (wrongfully) acknowledged as the mortal arbiters of society.

  61. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    ‘pro-life’ politicians are, almost to a man, conservative politically and demand tax cuts (which benefit the *rich*) and defund programs which benefit the poor, of which women who are pregnant or mothers are a significant fraction.

  62. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    …hopefully to consider Tom a heretic. I wonder how he’d deal with being a member of a persecuted minority? My guess is that he’d make like Peter and deny/deny/deny before getting into whatever *new* power structure was formed.

  63. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:08 pm

    I suggest you don’t have an abortion, then. As for anyone *else*, keep your religion’s stupidity off other people’s bodies.

    The really interesting part is that if your read your book, back then newborns weren’t even *named* until they’d survived the birth process and lived a month outside the womb.

    It was wingnut catholics and fundagelicals in the late 1960’s who made abortion opposition a cause celebre…and the rest of us have been putting up with your nonsense ever since.

  64. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:10 pm

    We put our authority above your so-called, ineffectual Dawg when we use lightning rods, too….and your arguments were used against them back in Ben Franklin’s day.

    The same arguments have been used against municipal fire departments and buying insurance against misfortune.

    I hope you realize how silly your comment sounds in light of the subject to which it has been *unsuccessfully* applied in the past.

  65. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    so? *you* weren’t there when the ‘events’ of your book occurred, and it’s not a particularly reliable book, nor is it even self-consistent.

    Live your life by it where it doesn’t conflict with *secular* law if you wish, but don’t try to apply it to anybody else. That would make you a sanctimonious hypocrite, until you’re perfect.

  66. required

    August 9, 2015 at 7:14 pm

    while I like your sentiment, I will *guarantee* that slavery existed before the catholic pope…otherwise it couldn’t be in the old testament of their book, now could it?

  67. Rick

    August 13, 2015 at 6:25 pm

    Tom — Sister Chittister is not endorsing abortion nor is she saying anything about God’s Laws.

    What she is commenting on is that the term “pro-life” is hypocritical.

    If you are anti-abortion – then say you are anti-abortion.

    She is saying that if you truly are pro-life you ought to care equally about ending abortions and then doing everything in your power help care for the children.

    Simply fighting to end abortion is about saving the lives of the fetus. Once the fetus is a child, someone who is pro-life to also care about the well-being of the child.

    If your activism ends once the child is born, you are not pro-life — you are just pro-birth.

  68. Greg

    September 20, 2015 at 10:07 pm

    We have to move away from the myth that there are unwanted children. All children born and unborn are creations that demand our care and protection. They are wanted. Period.

  69. robert

    October 8, 2015 at 12:58 am

    I see people digging up this old crap to throw more bs at Republicans but I don’t see her quote ever saying republicans could apply to anybody on any political perspective. And the argument doesn’t hold water when you know there are thousands of couples out there wanting to adopt.

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