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Christian preachers claim they need to fly first-class because it’s impossible to talk to God in coach

Evangelical Ministers Ken Copeland and Jesse Duplantis claimed they talked to God on a private jet and that their supernatural feat was impossible to accomplish while riding in coach.

In a strange, rambling discussion, Evangelical ministers Ken Copeland and Jesse Duplantis claimed they talked to God on a private jet and that their supernatural feat was impossible to accomplish while riding in coach.

The conversation took place on Tuesday during a broadcast of The Believers Voice of Victory. The two preachers were seated at a folksy table when Duplantis recounted his personal conversation with the Lord Almighty while riding in his private jet.

The Lord apparently opened with, “Jesse, do you like your plane?”

Although the conversation sounded suspiciously like Duplantis talking to himself, Ken Copeland chimed in, saying, “You couldn’t have done that on an airline,” and that “Private jets are sanctuary that protect the anointed.”

Copeland went on to say that commercial airline travel was impossible for preachers in a “dope filled world” and that riding coach was like “getting in a long tube with a bunch of demons.”

Other preachers, such as Pastor Creflo Dollar, have allegedly been told by God to buy private planes. Creflo was able to raise $70 million for a Gulfstream Jet to fulfill the mysterious will of the Lord.

One can only hope the conversations are more interesting.

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  1. 61chrissterry

    December 31, 2015 at 12:57 pm

    Unbelievable

  2. ML Davis

    December 31, 2015 at 1:05 pm

    These are not Christians or preachers They are con artists sucking profits from the collections of their subjects.

  3. Jeffrey Seleb

    December 31, 2015 at 1:36 pm

    When are people going to wake up and realize that these “preachers” only exist to fleece gullible people out of their hard earned money. They provide no useful service to mankind.

  4. Brooklyn Culture Jammers

    December 31, 2015 at 2:05 pm

    Bet they didn’t buy carbon offsets, either. The evangelical wing of Xianity is not so much into the Poverty gospel of the new testament, including those pesky parts of Acts chapters 4-6 where God smites down Ananias and his wife who try to hold onto their money against the mandate that all property be sold and the proceeds shared. Most fundamentalists and evangelicals make my skin crawl.

  5. Cody Quirk

    December 31, 2015 at 4:52 pm

    Reminds me EXACTLY of this-

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cmU5eD-3U8c

  6. Kenneth Cummings

    December 31, 2015 at 5:12 pm

    I understand how it looks. It does appear that some of these “prosperity” preachers seem to be caught up in all the “trappings” of wealth. One day they will “see” and “understand” that when the plane, the jewelry, the mansions no longer have their hold on them then and only then will they be truly wealthy. Let that sink in and marinate before refuting.

  7. Freeman Bud Flower

    December 31, 2015 at 8:18 pm

    PLEASE FLY YOUR PLANE INTO A MOSQUE YOU TWO CARPETBAGGERS

  8. WQuaid

    December 31, 2015 at 9:11 pm

    God says these false prophets should always feel persecuted for their manipulative religious Ponzi schemes. OK, well, God told ME to say that; but it’s still the word of God, dude. Don’t you doubt it!

  9. Michael Vinson

    December 31, 2015 at 10:48 pm

    Are they nothing more than con artists selling snake oil? Absolutely. But you can’t fix stupid. As long as the brainwashed masses maintain a belief in some supernatural being that watches over them every time they take a dump, there will be charlatans like this who take advantage of that belief. So I have little or no sympathy for the people who hand over their money to these thieves.
    I do however, wish the government would step in and yank their tax exempt status. They are quite clearly a for-profit business, and should be taxed as such. But again, it also goes back to the nonsense of our government catering to religion, and the notion that spreading the idea that there is this mystical, magical being out there is a somehow a good thing. It isn’t.
    Imagine the tax revenue that could be pumped into schools that teach real science and not superstition. Imagine a world where fact takes precedence over fiction.
    It certainly won’t happen in my lifetime, and probably not my grandchildren’s, but hopefully someday the notion of any and all ‘gods’ will be relegated to the annals of mythology.

  10. Mike Davis

    January 1, 2016 at 5:52 am

    As Karl Marx said (paraphrased) “religion is the opiate of the masses.” Whether one chooses to “believe” or not, it does have a unifying effect, and in most instances allows for group cooperation for the common good (mostly volunteer labor). I suspect that the “efficiency” of charitable giving is far greater with most legitimate charities than is is with churches which have an enormous overhead in addition to salaries.

    I agree with @Michael that the tax exempt status needs to be eliminated for these businesses. It has its history in the “old days” in which preachers were part time and struggled to make a living. Those days are long gone (except for inept believers gone to the cloth in poverty-stricken areas) and should be abolished, forcing them to pay their fair share as other citizens. But we well never see that happen as long as politicians continue to cater to the religious right (Cruz, Carson, Huckabee, etc.)

  11. Ed Roney

    January 1, 2016 at 7:30 am

    I guess the people who support these clowns do not realize that the Bible tells us whenever two people gather in his name that is your church

  12. Tom Moe

    January 1, 2016 at 10:52 am

    Mike, not sure I get your point. No one argues that religion does have a “unifying effect .. For the common good.” That is why we like it.
    Btw, check out the “worst charities in America. None of them are religious. To the contrary, religious charities have little salaried overhead.
    Further, have you ever done research on your assumptions. Preachers always paid taxes and most today work outside the church to cover expenses. In my case, I have a doctorate in religion and work full time as the church can’t provide more than housing.
    Can we presume that you want to tax hospitals, too? After all, physicians used to have to raise chickens to feed their families. Most pastors I know would love to have a nurses salary, let alone a physicians.
    Ironically, you focus on the church.

  13. Mike Davis

    January 1, 2016 at 12:20 pm

    To determine charitable efficiency, I would include the total amount of money given to churches compared to the amount of money they pass along to the “needy.” Yes, I know you can’t really evaluate volunteer work which is worth something, but if I look at the amount of money I “donate” to the church as a tax deductible donation compared with the amount of money the church gives to “outreach” I can assure you that the physical facility and salary overhead far exceeds the percentage of funds given away. I don’t live in a “big city” area, but I know our pastor’s net income is more than I ever made as a scientist before I retired. There are exceptions, I suppose, but Creflo Dollar, Billy Graham, Kenneth Copeland, Joel Osteen, Benny Hinn and the like are the con artists to which I refer, living in multi-million dollar mansions and flying personal jets to perform their “ministry.”

    I also see the exemptions available to clergy. Salaries are kept low for tax purposes, while all kinds of perks are added on as “cost of doing business” such as seminars, housing allowance, car allowance, books and materials, home office exemptions, freedom from mandatory FICA, the list goes on.

  14. Lorraine Mace

    January 1, 2016 at 2:53 pm

    Jesus walked. Why cant they

  15. Tom Moe

    January 1, 2016 at 8:09 pm

    The facility is the service provided to the community. That is part of the point of being a church. That is like saying that a school spends most of the money on salaries and buildings.
    Further, the exemptions are no different than for any other business. Farmers have their business expenses. plumbers have their’s. Why is it odd when a pastor has business expenses?

  16. Jonathan Robert Montgomery

    January 1, 2016 at 10:06 pm

    The Lord gave him a tax free existence…and now you want me to pray? I’m sending my farts instead of prayers….Burn their bibles

  17. Jo

    January 2, 2016 at 1:25 am

    Most normal fundamentalist and Evangelicals don’t agree with these types of guys either. Don’t tar us all in the same boat.

  18. Michael Vinson

    January 2, 2016 at 3:13 am

    Tom – I’m not sure which ‘Mike’ you were replying to, so I’ll take my shot first.

    “No one argues that religion does have a “unifying effect .. For the common good.”
    Actually, I’ll argue that point until the day I die. What exactly is the ‘common good’ to which you refer? What is provided by religion that can’t be, or isn’t, already provided by other sources?
    Religion tells us we are worthless sinners from the day we pop out of the womb.
    Religion tells us that unless and until we bow down to one particular taskmaster, we will suffer for all eternity in this ‘hell’ place. And if we do bow down, then there is a promise of eternal bliss, yet we will only know this bliss AFTER we’re dead.
    Religion does not unify anything. It separates us into groups, each believing their particular imaginary friend is the one and only, and it’s just fine to kill the others to prove how ‘peaceful’ their particular group is and how ‘loving and merciful’ it’s particular taskmaster really is.
    Religion expects us to believe in magic instead of embracing real science.
    Religion expects us to simply blindly accept its fairy tales on nothing but faith; not one shred of evidence has ever been brought forth to back up any of its claims.
    Religion tells us in one book that it’s ok for old men to marry pre-pubescent girls. Another book says that selling off your daughter is just fine, being forced to marry your rapist is just fine, slaughtering innocent children is just fine, offering up your virgin daughter to save the life of a stranger is just fine, killing your own child to prove your faith is just fine, and the list goes on. Both books tell us that if we question the validity of anything written within, we should be killed, in rather horrible ways.
    I don’t see a ‘common good’ in any of that.

    Next up, taxes. Where do I start?
    “The facility is the service provided to the community. That is part of the point of being a church”.
    Maybe. But does it need to be a square city block (or more) in size? Are they trying to help, or impress?

    “That is like saying that a school spends most of the money on salaries and buildings”.
    They do actually. Schools have few other expenses. At any level, from Kindergarten into college, either students’ parents or the students themselves provide the vast majority of their own supplies.

    “Further, the exemptions are no different than for any other business. Farmers have their business expenses. plumbers have their’s. Why is it odd when a pastor has business expenses”?
    Ok, then if you want to look at churches’ expenses as ‘business’ expenses, that’s fine. Then tax their income as if they are a business as well. If being a minister/pastor/priest is a ‘calling’ as claimed, then there should be no need (or desire) to live the lifestyle of the rich and famous. Modest housing and basic transportation can be provided as needed for the family. As a side note, I personally don’t believe ANY business expenses should be tax deductible. It’s the cost of doing business. Suck it up buttercup!

    “Can we presume that you want to tax hospitals, too”?
    Absolutely, for a number of reasons.
    1. They are businesses, plain and simple. They don’t ask for a donation to cover the cost of your stay, or the services provided; they send you a bill they fully expect to be paid, and will be more than happy to turn it over to a collection agency if you don’t. Doctors’ fees are not included in that as they are a separate business unto themselves, and THEY pay income taxes. So why not the hospital?
    2. More and more healthcare facilities are church backed, particularly the Catholic Church. As such, they enjoy tax exempt status for income and property. It’s simply a megachurch that provides healthcare. And while we’re on that subject…. As these facilities are church-backed, they also enjoy the liberty of denying particular services based on their religious tenets. That also needs to end.

    At present, this country loses nearly $71 BILLION in lost annual tax revenue, from churches and church related items alone. And I don’t believe healthcare facilities are figured into that number.That money could go a very long way in providing desperately needed services for those the churches already claim to help. $71 BILLION…The number of homeless being housed, and the hungry being fed is mind-boggling.

  19. Mike Davis

    January 2, 2016 at 4:05 am

    @Michael has some valid points. I would argue that most churches provide some service in providing a “country club” atmosphere for the gathering of like-minded persons to share (on occasion) in volunteer work of (mostly) public benefit – soup kitchens, Habitat for Humanity, and other help projects. But the value of those volunteer hours pale in comparison to the amount of money collected in tithes, offerings and gifts. Churches also provide moral and ethical guidance for children and youth – and adults, though most ethical teaching is simply civilizational common sense – the Golden rule. Religion does not hold the only source of moral and ethical standards, as evidenced by the vast disagreement among the clergy on biblical interpretation. Many churches have fund-raising campaigns for recreational facilities, buses, field trips, fancy and modern architectural displays of reverence to their God, and other expensive frills of questionable pubic service value, or to isolate their followers from the “real world” of “corruption and debauchery.”

    My objection is the incredible cost to provide what need not be provided under the specific auspices of religion. None of these public services are necessarily tied to religious beliefs, and I would argue that many of them are provided as a “cover” to the real purpose of the church, which is to maintain numbers and control minds and generate collections. But the quickest way to find volunteers to dip soup is to call churches.

    Which brings us back to the “impossibility of talking to God in coach.” Jesus never walked (or flew) away from the downtrodden, he sought them out. (On the other hand, one might argue that there are more sinners in first class than in steerage.) 🙂

    So much for the humility taught by the “Son of Man” exhibited in the New Testament. Hypocrites, they are, leading by word, not by example.

  20. Tom Moe

    January 2, 2016 at 6:20 am

    The assumption you make is $71 billion would go to good causes if taxed.
    Not sure what difference it makes if other groups attempt to copy what churches do? Very few do the whole package like churches have done and very few do so as effectively.
    If you think other groups can be more effective send your money there. However, there is a reason why most of us do the mission through a church.

  21. James Doss

    January 2, 2016 at 8:01 am

    Are you seriously being an apologist for these assholes?

  22. James Doss

    January 2, 2016 at 8:03 am

    You win this thread, Lorraine.

  23. Claudia Garrett

    January 2, 2016 at 8:13 am

    Exactly

  24. Tracy Tabor

    January 2, 2016 at 6:51 pm

    Con artists. Bound straight to hell.

  25. Compassionate conservative

    January 2, 2016 at 9:43 pm

    My my, you are so enlightened! Spoken like a true Christian!

  26. Dawn Freeman

    January 3, 2016 at 8:56 am

    You’re slightly off in your estimate of tax revenue lost because churches are tax wasn’t. The country and communities within lose $71 billion in INCOME tax revenue, AS WELL AS $204 BILLION lost in property tax revenue.
    I’m on my phone so won’t go into all the details, but Tom Moe, you’re dead wrong in all your assertions whereas Michael Vinson is 99.9% correct.

  27. Karen Ann Fink

    January 3, 2016 at 11:28 am

    Your response is just as prejudiced as these others – think about what you just said. You are part of the problem, too.

  28. Katkige

    January 3, 2016 at 11:52 am

    They are deceived Christians. They have lost their way. Sad, very sad.

  29. Michael Vinson

    January 4, 2016 at 5:51 am

    You say they are deceived, and have simply
    “lost their way”. What does that mean to you exactly? Please be specific.

  30. treedweller

    January 4, 2016 at 7:47 am

    Um, Creflo _claims_ God told him to buy a jet. There is no evidence to suggest it actually happened.

  31. momof2

    January 4, 2016 at 7:49 am

    I could care less if they flew on a gold covered jet or lived in a diamond encrusted palace….as long as they PAYED TAXES.These slime balls hide behind the church to live like Kings.Just makes one want to gag when they live like that and their followers are hand to mouth to be able to send to these “preachers”.We stopped going to church for this very reason..it is no longer about God it is about things and money and the glorification of these so called men of God.They need to be taxed on everything they own and all of the money that passes to them from the offering plate.

  32. dAdXeR

    January 4, 2016 at 9:54 am

    Newsflash: They’re all con artists. These two are just better at it than others.

  33. timparmly

    January 4, 2016 at 10:06 am

    Churches are non-profits. Pay no taxes on their property. Just who anointed these people? Each other?

  34. Bruce

    January 4, 2016 at 10:20 am

    Why does this man need Faith he is talking directly to god. If I could talk to god I wouldn’t need faith would I?

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  36. Ken Talbert

    January 4, 2016 at 10:27 am

    Rationalization is intentional self-deception based on the seduction of logic to achieve a selfish end. These two are masters of rationalization, and as such quite removed from conscience. Selfishness – per Webster’s dictionary? “Without regard to others.” Their worlds are so small, so compressed. Like two black holes with nothing enlightening to say.

  37. Ruth E.

    January 4, 2016 at 11:02 am

    They didn’t get there on my dollar.

  38. Granmama15

    January 4, 2016 at 3:35 pm

    JESUS walked & road on burrows. If it was good enough for our Lord than it is good enough for these mere mortal men!! Who by the way should be leading an example!!!

  39. Russ

    January 4, 2016 at 5:13 pm

    What a bunch of BS these guys are spewing.

  40. magnet

    January 4, 2016 at 6:47 pm

    “normal fundamentalist”

    I can’t stop laughing

  41. Julio Medina

    January 4, 2016 at 7:09 pm

    99% of all the comments I’ve read here display an amazing degree of ignorance. First, why do you care that people send these ministries money?, is it any of your business? How arrogant of you to try to tell others what they should do or not do with their money. Is anybody telling you what to do with yours? second, your ignorance of the bible leads you to think that Christians and Christian ministers should live in poverty, you would’ve had a tough time living in the time of Abraham, David. Solomon, and many others whom God blessed beyond your imagination financially. In your obtuse little minds, you miss the fact that God blesses those who bless others financially and otherwise, you have no idea of the biblical principle of sowing and reaping. You’d think that before you sit behind a keyboard to spew your hateful ignorance, you guys would check out what does the Bible actually say about these things, but then that would confront your warped little minds won’t it?.

  42. Joe Davey

    January 4, 2016 at 8:50 pm

    I like how they say something to the effect of everyone in coach (presumably) would be asking for prayers and blessings and who would have time for that! Well Jesus certainly never did. Never had anytime for those folks in coach. I don’t believe they practice the path that “Jesus” laid out for them.

  43. toby

    January 4, 2016 at 10:31 pm

    Loooong tube with a bunch of DEMONS! Hahahahaha flying is coach is bad but not THAT bad lol.

  44. mike king

    January 4, 2016 at 10:36 pm

    I believe! I believe!

  45. Chris M.

    January 5, 2016 at 4:33 am

    The only difference between these guys and the leaders of ISIS are these guys are more greedy than angry.

    There is zero difference between their followers. Guaranteed if they asked their followers to start killing people in the name of God you’d get a similar sign up rate. Good thing these guys want blood from a stone. Greed saves us from holy war, imagine that!

  46. Merle

    January 5, 2016 at 5:53 am

    And in their quest to find more sources of revenue, they form “grace teams” to go into nursing homes and evangelize. Most people in nursing homes are not at the top of their game and one local mega-church has an army of grifters to “evangelize” (use spiritual means to exploit vulnerable elders). How do I know this? As someone appointed as a legal guardian by the court, when I obtained my new ward’s financial records, I found a $6000 cd earmarked for the church. It wasn’t his church.. The POA’s on his account changed every quarter, a handful of people were manipulating him and competing with each other to be that person who could hand over the windfall when the ward died, and ingratiate themselves to the charismatic pastor. I secured the funds, allocating every cent for his care. The subsequent phone calls from the grace team members were amusing, Self-congratulatory con artists, “X is my friend, I’m a Christian man…I visit “shut-ins’…can I take X to church on Sunday?”
    I arranged for my ward to be transported to his former lifelong church, and reported the “grace team,” to the state ombudsman, who banned them and their agenda-filled visits. A special place in hell should be reserved for those who target impaired people for their hard-earned nest-eggs,and do it under the guise of selfless religious service.

  47. Brian Hargrove

    January 5, 2016 at 6:52 am

    Brilliant, Lorraine! Best reply EVER!

  48. reindeer911

    January 5, 2016 at 1:16 pm

    No, I don’t think you understand how this looks. I don’t think you have a clue at all! LOL! Aside from the fact that they seem to think they are better than the rest of us with comments like “flying in a long tube of demons”, or the fact that the many millions of dollars those private jets cost that COULD be used to help those who really need it and therefore makes a sick joke out of the term “Christian charity”, the issue that SHOULD bug any Christian worth their salt is the fact that this sort of crap only gives more fuel to the non-believer community. In other words, the excesses of these men only serves to drive others away. Now YOU let that sink in and marinate before refuting. 😉

  49. solsberry

    January 5, 2016 at 2:12 pm

    the governments will soon turn on their paramours, religion revelation 17: 15-17..

  50. solsberry

    January 5, 2016 at 2:16 pm

    providing housing & no mortgage? thats a great perk..

  51. solsberry

    January 5, 2016 at 2:23 pm

    you left out businesses they own..

  52. solsberry

    January 5, 2016 at 2:27 pm

    becuz its a dangerous world on the ground?

  53. Sean

    January 6, 2016 at 5:20 pm

    Tom,

    Churches should be taxed like any other for-profit institution, and whatever they happen to actually spend on charity, that much can be tax deductible. (Same as any other instituion) Our country losing $71 billion a year that churches should owe in direct taxation. Do as your savior recommends and render unto Ceasar’s what is Caesar’s, thanks.

    Sean

  54. Lena

    January 7, 2016 at 5:59 am

    This is why i am pagan and my son is athiest. I personally have no use for christains. Can anyone tell me how to get rid of all the amen and pray crap on my Facebook?

  55. Dawn Freeman

    January 7, 2016 at 12:56 pm

    First of all, Julio, David and Solomon were KINGS. Second, the folks commenting here are probably well aware if the practice of “reaping and sowing”. What WE, as American taxpayers are upset about is that these con artists pay ABSOLUTELY NO TAXES!! They don’t pay it in their income, their houses and other property, or the property that is “owned” by their churches and ministries. NONE!! NOT ONE RED CENT!! More and more people every day are suffering financially, but send money to these scheisters because they believe the BS these hypocrites tell them. The REASON churches and these ministers are tax exempt under their 501(C)3 agreements is because that money is supposed to be going to help the people in the church AND in the communities around the church. They don’t do that, and should lose their tax exempt designation.
    These preachers don’t do ANYTHING to EARN their income. If they feel called to preach, as Jesus was, fine, but they should get a job to support themselves and their families rather than moving off the beliefs and fears of people who are struggling to pay their bills and feed their children. Even Jesus had a trade…he was a carpenter. And before you make inane statements about what other people do or do not know about the Bible, you’d better check your own knowledge. This isn’t Bronze Age Jerusalem, it’s the United States of America, and these “men” aren’t kings, nor is this country ruled by any if their versions or interpretations of the Bible.

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    April 25, 2017 at 10:02 am

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