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This comic strip is the definitive smackdown to anti-vaxxers everywhere

A lot of important information has come out debunking the anti-vaxxer movement, but this brilliant comic strip by Maki Naro one of the most concise we’ve ever seen.

As a result of the growing misinformation being disseminated about the risks of vaccines, other preventable diseases such as measles have seen a climb in rates recently.

But what’s easily forgotten is that this current wave of anti-vaccine hysteria can be traced back to a single study that appeared in the Lancet medical journal — a study that was outright debunked in the science world.

In a 2011 issue of BMJ (the British Medical Journal), investigative reporter Brian Deer slammed the infamous Lancet study linking vaccines to autism as fraudulent, pointing out that key facts were distorted to support the autism link.

The 15 year-old study claimed that 8 children developed “regressive autism” after getting a combination of vaccines to prevent mumps and rubella. The study was led by Andrew Wakefield, a British doctor who had his license revoked in May of 2011 as a result of “serious professional misconduct.”

After reviewing the health records of the subjects involved in the study and interviewing their families and doctors, Deer found numerous inconsistencies, some of which were recounted in a 2011 piece by NPR:

  • Only 1 of 9 kids said to have regressive autism clearly had it. Three had no form of autism.
  • Contrary to the paper’s assertion that all the kids were normal before vaccination, five had some sort of preexisting developmental problems.
  • According to the paper, Behavioral problems popped up days after vaccination didn’t actually appear for months in some kids, a fact that undercuts the causality of vaccination.

It was well known that Wakefield’s conclusions were questionable from the beginning. But the Lancet study is now widely believed to be the source of what eventually sparked widespread anti-vaccination paranoia — now being blamed for the recurrence of diseases that were once brought under control by the proper vaccinations.

An editorial accompanying the BMJ piece provided additional clear evidence that the data was falsified, which should have closed the door on this damaging vaccine scare for good.

Since then, the anti-vaxxer movement has persisted and even grown in its influence despite lot of important information debunking its pseudoscience. That being said, this brilliant comic strip by Maki Naro is one of the most concise debunking efforts we’ve ever seen.

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  1. Kirk Halgren

    December 16, 2014 at 2:59 am

    The strange death of Jennifer Strange: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KDND

    The really despicable part of this tragic story is that nurses called in during the contest, warning about the risk, but the dJs refused to take them seriously.

  2. authorbrandonhill

    December 16, 2014 at 8:31 am

    ::standing ovation::

    Outstanding job! A real knockout blow to anti-vaxxers! Mad kudos to you! Keep up the great work!

  3. aaaaasz

    December 16, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    The slide states that vaccines have a high risk/benefit ratio, but I believe that you meant benefit/risk.

  4. Aaron

    December 16, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    I don’t see how this is a smack-down. The inserts on vaccines state dozens of potential side effects yet everyone just focuses on autism.

    If they would just test these things they could set the record straight. like these guys did. http://www.pnas.org/content/111/2/787.abstract
    see? Research goooood. Now they know there is a problem instead of boldly marching on pretending vaccines are perfect.

  5. Reverberat

    December 17, 2014 at 5:24 am

    This goes for the ones relating to Polio and TB.

    Not the Flu or the latest fake pandemic, or any other ‘designer vaccines’.

  6. joyful1

    December 17, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Apparently the author of this cartoon doesn’t understand science…or math…or read history…at least not with more than an elementary level of comprehension. Remember the chicken pox? Was it really deadly? How many of your friends died when they had chicken pox? Oh, none you say? The death rate was/is less than 1% for varicella. Then, pray tell, why are we vaccinating for it? Why since we have the vaccine on the schedule is the incidence of shingles skyrocketing? Why is pertussis on the rise when vaccine rates for pertussis are at an all time high unlike the media would have you believe? Why are the overwhelming majority of those who get and spread pertussis vaccinated? Well, simple science answers those questions, but I doubt any provaccine person would actually understand the explanation.

    Since you mention medical advances in the last 100 years, why don’t we look at sanitation, hygiene, clean water, nutrition and the number of people pissing in pots and bathing once a year? It’s funny when you want to push something that you may just leave out pertinent details to the story to match your agenda. Kudos to you on your propaganda cartoon.

  7. Aaron

    December 17, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    Riddle me this: How is natural exposure to a live virus comparable to having a dead virus + a bunch of chemicals injected into my bloodstream?

  8. Nietje

    December 17, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    What?

  9. Shannon

    December 17, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Well, as the story points out, you don’t have to get sick in order to gain immunity. You may not be old enough to remember measles/mumps/rubella everywhere. I am. Kids get seriously sick. They don’t all recover unscarred, or at all. My mom remembers swimming pools closed for the summer during polio flares, and kids in her school having to be in an iron lung, or crippled. I’ll take the tiny amount of “scary” thimerosol over getting sick with these diseases any or every day of the week.

  10. dwayner

    December 17, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    Live virus, more virulent, likely to kill or leave you with lasting damage. Weakned virus + “bunch” of chemicals, much less virulent, trains your immune system without generally killing you in the process or leaving you with lasting damage.

  11. Kathryn Davidson

    December 17, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    That isn’t a riddle. natural exposure to a live virus is what led to thousands of people dying of smallpox, polio, tuberculosis, diphtheria, etc each year. Being injected with dead viruses and a bunch of chemicals have prevented thousands of people from getting same diseases every year. What’s the riddle?

  12. anita

    December 17, 2014 at 7:54 pm

    Because Aaron (depending on the virus and the exposure) you might end up naturally dead.

  13. mcpierce

    December 17, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    Trying thinking on a molecular level. The body’s immune system attacks the dead virus since it’s an invader, but doesn’t doesn’t also have to spend resources on fighting the symptoms produced by the live virus.

    You’re welcome.

  14. mcpierce

    December 17, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    Try thinking on a molecular level.

    The immune system can adapt to the dead virus without having to also fight the symptoms of the live virus.

    You’re welcome.

  15. Dr. Heath Motley

    December 18, 2014 at 12:11 am

    Please stop telling people vaccine injuries are rare and brushing off individuals who have suffered vaccine injuries. Vaccines are associated with serious adverse reactions like: Blood and lymphatic system disorders, immune system disorders, myocarditis, nervous system disorders, convulsions, seizures, encephalitis (brain swelling), facial palsy, skin disorders, sudden infant death (SIDS), death, meningitis, paralysis, anaphylactic shock, skin and tissue disorders, eczema, lower respiratory infections, cerebrovascular accident, transverse myelitis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, Bell’s palsy, aseptic meningitis, pneumonia, ringing in the ears, multiple sclerosis, myelitis including transverse myelitis, seizure, febrile seizure, peripheral neuropathy, herpes zoster, migraines, neurological syndromes, chronic arthritis, hearing loss, rheumatoid arthritis, vasculitis, neuropathy, and vaccine-strain versions of chicken pox, measles, mumps, polio, influenza, meningitis, yellow fever, and pertussis.

    For a list of other exciting (yet downplayed) reactions check out the package inserts here. http://www.immunize.org/packageinserts/

    To view the VAERS database where you will find more adverse reactions reported including deaths, click here. https://vaers.hhs.gov/index

    Thankfully even the CDC and FDA post that these damaging and often deadly toxic and unnecessary vaccines do cause MANY side effects and problems and so far haven’t been shown to even work.

    or the FDA Vaccine Insert Lists Autism as Adverse Reaction https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r56CEZtGMp8

    CDC Admits Vaccines Contain a Carcinogen
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M3Rpopnd0Vc

    To the angry pro-vaxxer – It’s ok that you don’t believe that aborted fetal tissue is used in vaccines because of your lack of research into the matter. Some of us actually don’t like that injected into our children. So I took the liberty of highlighting it for you from your preferred source of information. The CDC . Oh and please feel free to look at all of the other vaccines as well because this is not just the only one and note all of the other lovely ingredients. Thank you http://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/pubs/pinkbook/downloads/appendices/B/excipient-table-2.pdf

  16. Dr. Heath Motley

    December 18, 2014 at 12:12 am

    Vaccines cause Chromosome Changes Leading to Mutations, Leukemias and Lymphomas, Auto-immunity, Diabetes, Nervous System Changes, Autism, Demyelination, Seizures, Convulsions, Epilepsy, Brain Swelling, Unexplained Diseases, Another Vaccinal Disease like Paralytic Poliomyelitis, tentanus, smallpox, etc. Following Inoculation, Death of course, metabolic problems, deafness, kidney disorders, skin disorders, abcesses, shock and more.

    Health Guide: Vaccine Research
    http://www.greenmedinfo.com/guide/health-guide-vaccine-research

    Vaccine References
    http://www.mercola.com/article/vaccines/references.htm

    my list of peer reviewed vaccine research
    http://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/
    Aluminum (Vaccine Ingredient) Science
    http://autismrawdata.net/1/post/2012/12/aluminum-vaccine-ingredient-science.html

    Vaccines And Autism Infographic
    http://autismrawdata.net/1/post/2014/12/vaccines-and-autism-infographic.html

    Keep in mind that it is mainly doctors and researchers who are anti-vaccine, even the CDC admitted that anti-vaxxers are on average far more educated than pro-vaxxers. This is why the anti-vaxxers are always posting science while the pro-vaxxers are throwing insults.
    Vaccine Facts backed by Science
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!vaccine-faqs/c1swe

    WE WANT THE FACTS
    http://www.educate4theinjured.org/#!the-factsscience/cc2d

    http://www.novaccine.com/vaccine-ingredients/

    http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/

    Research supporting Vaccine/Autism Causation
    http://adventuresinautism.blogspot.com/2007/06/no-evidence-of-any-link.html?m=1
    Evidence for Thimerosal Risk – Page 1
    http://www.vaccinationnews.com/evidence-thimerosal-risk

    Evidence for Thimerosal Risk – Page 2
    http://www.vaccinationnews.com/evidence-thimerosal-risk-page-2

    Vaccine Ingredients — A Comprehensive Guide
    http://vaxtruth.org/2011/08/vaccine-ingredients/
    Adverse Effects of Adjuvants in Vaccines
    http://www.vierascheibner.org/index.php?view=article&catid=40%3Alarge-manuscripts-on-vaccination&id=53%3Aadverse-effects-of-adjuvants-in-vaccines&option=com_content&Itemid=56

    VACCINE INGREDIENTS (POISONS)
    http://www.whale.to/vaccines/ingredients.html
    87 Published Works on Vaccines and Adverse Health Concerns
    http://www.blindedbythelightt.blogspot.com.au/2013/06/87-published-works-on-vaccines-and.html

    Vaccine Ingredients
    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/featured-vaccines/vaccine-ingredients

    Vaccines Additives
    http://realhealthtalk.com/Vaccines_Additives.html

    Papers Showing a Connection Between Thimerosal Exposure and Neurological Harm
    http://www.ashotoftruth.org/thimerosal-papers

    http://www.greatergoodmovie.org/learn-more/science/

  17. Anita

    December 18, 2014 at 12:58 am

    Ummm so you really don’t know your history either joyful1. It is referring to Smallpox not chicken pox, and it did indeed kill many…

  18. Aaron

    December 18, 2014 at 1:10 am

    Thanks for actually trying on that one, Mcpierce.
    Perhaps you can also help me with these:
    But then why not just inject the dead virus without the chemicals? Also, why ignore the side effects that do exist; stop focusing all of the attention on one potentially bogus side-effect. The reported side effects are right on the packaging. If we’re afraid of the very small chance of gaining serious injury from an illness why are we not afraid of the small chance of suffering a serious side effect from the vaccine? Also, why act under the assumption that exposer causes 100% infection rates and that we are constantly surrounded by all diseases at all times to the extent that we need to inject ourselves with dozens of doses of provenly risky substances https://vaers.hhs.gov/data/index ? And why pretend that vaccines are the only medicine that is completely safe when we have medicines with side effects including death?

    Until simple questions like these are answered, this comic will be in no way a definitive smack-down to anyone. This is an important issue that really needs to be addressed in a serious, adult manner.

  19. Sullivanthepoop

    December 18, 2014 at 1:26 am

    Vaccine inserts are legal documents. You have to have some basic understanding before you read something. What lab did you do your research in and what journal was it printed in? The only person pretending is you pretending anyone said vaccines are perfect. You failed in every possible way. Stop following the herd mentality.

  20. Sullivanthepoop

    December 18, 2014 at 1:27 am

    Oh, so we should only prevent polio and TB? That is nonsense

  21. Sullivanthepoop

    December 18, 2014 at 1:28 am

    Water and sanitation are tricky. They kept waiting for many years to eradicate different diseases. LOL! Maybe you should pick up a history book.

  22. Sullivanthepoop

    December 18, 2014 at 1:29 am

    It isn’t. Getting a disease naturally kills people.

  23. Sullivanthepoop

    December 18, 2014 at 1:34 am

    Well, to kill the virus you need formaldehyde. For a lot of vaccines you need an adjuvant like aluminum salts so that your immune system doesn’t have a passive reaction to the killed virus. Sometimes you need emulsifiers to keep everything in solution and the same as when it was first produced. They first added thimerosal as a preservative after a terrible incident of contamination that killed people. I mean, are you really thinking they just throw things in there for no reason?

  24. Sullivanthepoop

    December 18, 2014 at 1:35 am

    I meant nutrition not water

  25. FatPad

    December 18, 2014 at 5:09 am

    Varicella is vaccinated against to prevent Shingles,which can be can be exquisitely painful for prolonged periods.

  26. Linda Tic Tock

    December 18, 2014 at 10:04 am

    The live virus is more likely to kill you, maim you, or leave you permanently injured.

  27. Carri cupps

    December 18, 2014 at 5:15 pm

    http://urbanlegendsonline.com/the-origins-of-raggedy-ann/
    Since you like to explain complicated issues with cartoons.

  28. Joshua Schimberg

    December 18, 2014 at 7:05 pm

    Says the chiropractic “doctor.” LOL!

  29. Joshua Schimberg

    December 18, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    So much woo, so little time “doctor.”

  30. Sonya

    December 18, 2014 at 9:19 pm

    Vaccines Created More Disease–They Did Nothing More than That. This Cartoon, Is In Fact a Joke…Just like Vaccines.

    People need to dig deeper and do the work.

    What Propaganda, Big Pharma! There Will Come A Day.

  31. Sara

    December 18, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    You rrally don’t know you history either. Sanitation, hygiene, etc were medical advances, many implementations to better conditions and stop the spread of disease were put forth by MEDICAL professionals.

    And even if the death rate for a particular disease is low, why shouldn’t we vaccinate against it? What if you or you child fall within that 1%?

    If you are actually interested in the science of vaccines you need to read the actual articles that were published by the actual researchers. The media misinterprets scientific results ALL THE TIME. If you really are that concerned (which you appear to be) take a bit to educate yourself on p-values and the difference between correlation and causality.

  32. Germy

    December 19, 2014 at 5:34 am

    So the info on the inserts is false?

  33. Germy

    December 19, 2014 at 5:49 am

    A lot of the pro-vaxxers here, however correct they may be, seem to be basing their arguments on 1) attacking the integrity of thse who are questioning the notion that no vaccine poses a risk that we need to worry about, 2) misunderstanding/ misrepresenting the opposing points, and 3) vaccines are a product of science and it therefore must be good, Unfair, disingenuous, and, well come on, you never heard of DES, thalidomide, or fen-phen? If your ‘re trying to change the minds of thinking people, better try something else.

  34. Leah

    December 19, 2014 at 4:56 pm

    Seems Dr. Heath Motley posts has resulted in some pause for thought with the pro-vaccine group. Thank you for that.

  35. Riz

    December 19, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    You keep getting responses explaining your “riddle” but refuse to accept or acknowledge them. Why would you want your children dying of Diptheria because you don’t understand, or are wilfully ignorant, of ehat EXPERTS tell you. BTW they’re experts because they’ve spent their lives researching this in an unbiased objective manner. Get off NOVAX.ORG and look at pubmed, a database of hundreds of thousands of peer reviewed journal articles that have REAL research in them, not fear mongering.

  36. Kat

    December 20, 2014 at 7:04 am

    OH MY GOD

    YOU ARE LITERALLY COUNTERING A SCIENTIFIC, SOURCED COMIC

    WITH “URBAN LEGENDS ONLINE”

    YOU DON’T EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT THE WORD LEGEND MEANS DO YOU

    THIS IS THE BEST DAY OF MY WHOLE LIFE

  37. monstarnz

    December 20, 2014 at 7:44 am

    sudden infant death (SIDS)

    Vaccines do not cause SIDS, the pure definition of SIDS is a death of unknown cause.
    You’re full of shit.

  38. monstarnz

    December 20, 2014 at 7:47 am

    “Vaccines cause Chromosome Changes Leading to Mutations”

    No they don’t. And claiming such shows a vast lack of knowledge in how the immune system and genetics work.

  39. monstarnz

    December 20, 2014 at 7:53 am

    From Wikipedia
    “Collectively, systematic reviews have not demonstrated that spinal manipulation, the main treatment method employed by chiropractors, was effective for any medical condition, with the possible exception of treatment for back pain”

  40. Mark Stolzoff

    December 20, 2014 at 9:11 am

    ok but what does any of that have to do with the price of breastmilk in cambodia

  41. Mark Stolzoff

    December 20, 2014 at 9:12 am

    Thousands of people died from it you sick bastard,

  42. guidonthief

    December 20, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Dr. Heath Motley, what is your specialty? What state (s) are you licensed to practice medicine in? What hospitals grant you privileges?

  43. Josh

    December 20, 2014 at 6:16 pm

    Gee, you pro-diseasers are so obnoxiously ignorant… I feel for you, tho.

  44. guidonthief

    December 21, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    You had an answer for everything else. Why can’t you answer this?

  45. marti

    December 21, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    And pertussis, aka whooping cough is on the rise, not the decline. One school in Moscow, Idaho alone has 7% of kids not vaccinated for whooping cough. Idaho has one of the lowest vaccinations rates in the country for whooping cough. You need to do more homework, Joyful1

  46. gabrieljohnlambert

    December 29, 2014 at 10:04 am

    1) viruses are never alive. so calling them dead/alive is a misnomer. They are a bunch of genetic material stuffed into a capsid, incapable of self-replication without the aid of other cells and are therefore not alive.

    2) the ‘bunch of chemicals’ acts as an adjuvant and is critical for the activation of the immune system so it generates an immune response to the viral antigen in the vaccine. No adjuvant, no immune reaction and therefore no protection.

    How are they comparable? Well it very much depends on the vaccine and whether we’re talking about bacterial or viral vaccines and then again what type of bacterial vaccine (live? Attenuated? Toxoid?). Different vaccines give your body immunity against different viral or bacterial antigens and some do not ‘teach’ your immune system to recognise all of the antigens that being ‘naturally’ infected would. But this often isn’t necessary – for example the DPT vaccine gives immunity to the toxins produced by diptheria and tetanus rather than the bacteria and works extremely effectively as it is the toxin that produces such deleterious effects.

    This dialogue saddens me, mainly because schools are clearly not teaching enough about the actual mechanics of how bacterial and viral vaccines work – a better understanding would demystify a lot of the scare stories being bandied about here.

  47. JL

    December 29, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    The rise of shingles is time based. The virus lies dormant for a number of years before manifesting – so the chicken pox vaccine has no correlation to the rise of shingles. It will, however, have a correlation to the decrease in shingles cases over time. Your logic is circular and completely faulty.

  48. curto

    January 4, 2015 at 6:39 pm

    People are obviously very spirited on both sides of the debate. I wanted to try and remain cool but ive seen and heard enough. Read dr hotleys post….it says on the damn insert the side effects of the vaccines. these are NEVER made public when the hype a flu shot or other shot. pro vaxxers inability to accept the toxic chemical cocktail is damaging to alot of people must come from them having too many shots already and it scares them to think about the brain damage they must already have. oh and this cute comics author is dead wrong on thimerisol. the insert on thay says its toxic and dangerous. stop believing and doing whateve the gov tells you and stop shitting on anti vaxers for being concerned about the known side effects!

  49. Vicente

    January 11, 2015 at 12:01 am

    What kind od Dr are you? My kid died od SIDS, and I subsequently spoke with several SIDS and vaccine experts (Stanford, Harvard, Johns-Hopkins), and all cited years and breadth of research that proves that vaccines DO NOT cause SIDS. I think youre just full of crap.

  50. jankie

    January 11, 2015 at 6:57 am

    pure propaganda, well I cured my asthma,, and not gonna share with you.
    since scientists say there is no cure,,I mean pharma.. sorry

    and for the comic, they use 1798 event to prove vaccines? really? they didnt have toilets at the time, and I trust wakefield more than CDC.
    what about scandal from CDC when a guy admitted he lied about autism and vaccines.. no one wants to publish huh?
    well u will burn in hell for this CDC, yes you will

  51. jankie

    January 11, 2015 at 6:59 am

    well you can go prick yourself, since you like pricking, and vaccines, go inject somehting, now..

  52. jankie

    January 11, 2015 at 7:02 am

    you mean sids half an hour after vaccine? really sudden and unkown.. gee i wonder what it could be, well vaccines aint, since it is science and science is good, duuh.
    there is nothing wrong with injecting mercury and deadly virus to your muscles, avoiding immune system.. sounds perfect, lets try it every year, and also give it to a one week old baby.. smart smart smart.. NOT

  53. Patrick

    January 11, 2015 at 4:49 pm

    Joyful1 isn’t saying the article was referring to Chicken Pox. They are making an example of the Chicken Pox vaccine.

  54. JCP

    January 11, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    Can someone please direct me to studies done on data compiled from the control group of non-vaccinated individuals?

  55. mcpierce

    January 12, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    Which type of mercury are you talking about? Methyl- or ethyl-? At what level? Do you understand the differences?

  56. Anita

    January 12, 2015 at 8:19 pm

    Poorly written then…he mentions it immediately after referring to history.
    Either way, varicella can kill.

  57. Ryan Callaghan

    February 7, 2015 at 4:36 am

    Why are you downplaying the effect those diseases have on the infected… side effects of the diseases include Blood and lymphatic system disorders, immune system disorders, myocarditis, nervous system disorders, convulsions, seizures, encephalitis (brain swelling), facial palsy, skin disorders, sudden infant death (SIDS), death, meningitis, paralysis, anaphylactic shock, skin and tissue disorders, eczema, lower respiratory infections, cerebrovascular accident, transverse myelitis, Guillain-Barré syndrome, Bell’s palsy, aseptic meningitis, pneumonia, ringing in the ears, multiple sclerosis, myelitis including transverse myelitis, seizure, febrile seizure, peripheral neuropathy, herpes zoster, migraines, neurological syndromes, chronic arthritis, hearing loss, rheumatoid arthritis, vasculitis, neuropathy, and vaccine-strain versions of chicken pox, measles, mumps, polio, influenza, meningitis, yellow fever, and pertussis.

  58. Edward Hopkins

    February 9, 2015 at 6:20 pm

    “They use dead or damaged viruses to provoke an immune response.” How does one kill or damage a virus? How can you know each virion in a dose is equally dead or damaged?

    “The myth began in 1998, when an English medical journal called The Lancet published a paper.” Why did a medical journal print a myth? Is that a one-time thing or do they do that a lot? Why should we implicitly trust them now? Vaccines are an industry – a big one. In the past we were told tobacco was safe, and asbestos, and radium, and lead, and heroin, and thalidomide, and mercury, and methamphetamine – all safe and healthful. Tuskegee and MKUltra were going on in my lifetime – I feel suspicion is wiser than blind trust when it comes to medicines.

    “This protects people who are not vaccinated, either because they are too young or have and allergy or underlying medical condition.” Why should anyone be too young for such a safe treatment – why is a newborn too young but a toddler isn’t? How would anyone know they had an allergy or underlying condition until they triggered it with a vaccine? Shouldn’t the patients be old enough to articulate their reactions to the shots?

    Don’t assume all vaccine opponents are stupid and ignorant. Some of us are skeptical because we know too much history and have too many unanswered questions.

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  61. EG M.S. Biomedical Engineering

    March 17, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    Some of you are skeptical about vaccines because you don’t WANT an answer. It is easier to grandstand and shot out retorts from anti-vaccine websites. (Heads up, anything with “vaccine truth” in the address is likely propaganda too.)

    Listen, I am not suggesting that vaccines are 100% safe. No logical person or scientific professional would EVER state that. NOTHING is 100% safe. Many people drive cars everyday. Have you looked at the percentage of people that are involved in fatal car collisions? Also, scientists are people, and people can make mistakes (like publish a study with poor scientific integrity) If one doctor gets charged with malpractice are you going to avoid all doctors? The Lancet should definitely be viewed with more skepticism, especially by the community of its peers.

    What it seems like is that people who are unsure of vaccine safety want a simple black and white answer. Sorry folks, but the simple truth is that the answer is more grey and complex.

    Some vaccines are safer than others. Some vaccines are probably more effective than others. Has big pharma pushed drugs into the medical community with half an eye on profit and half an eye on benefit, OF COURSE. That doesn’t render every pharmaceutical evil and unnecessary.

    I don’t think it is the job of every person to have a deep professional understanding of the biomedical field. I do think the media and other information outlets have let the public down, and are responsible for some of the momentum gained by the anti-vaccine movement. However, it is your responsibility (especially as a parent) to rationally consider facts and public well being. So yes, take the time to learn about new vaccines on the market before trying them out. But please don’t ignore decades of data that point to safety and efficacy of many vaccines because a SINGLE study ONE journal published said otherwise.

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  63. cia parker

    April 5, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    Great work, Dr. Motley! Thanks for taking the time to direct those worried about adverse effects caused by vaccines to honest sources of facts on them. I have MS from a vaccine reaction, my daughter has autism from severe reactions to two vaccines, and my father was paralyzed for the last three years of his life by a flu vaccine. The dangers of vaccines are quite real, very common, and those who prefer to go along with the pharma-propaganda on display here should be aware that they do so at their peril.

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  65. Kris

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    Can a persons body reject the adjuvant process? You shouldn’t be saddened people just care and crave information, just like me. Be happy people are asking question as there’s no such thing as a stupid one (question). Your right more education would help our children.

  66. Ethan Fried

    May 6, 2015 at 1:48 am

    Varicella (chicken pox) in an adult causes pneumonia. Adult varicella pneumonia has an 11% mortality. It’s a painful agonizing breathless death too. That’s just over 1 in 10.

  67. heyimkevinsully

    May 6, 2015 at 8:22 pm

    I think it’s just referring to the woman who died from drinking too much water, which was referenced in the comic.

  68. Sebastian

    May 7, 2015 at 10:57 am

    The problem in that assertion is that you are taking “natural” for “non harming”. The latest marketing trends cause that. They put natural in a sense that implies it can’t cause any damage. Pay attention to that while watching TV. Or better, turn it off and go to read 🙂

    Also, you inject “chemicals” as O2 when you breath. Mind you, next time you cross a car hold your breath since there is a bunch of CO.
    The key significant in your phrase is the negative connotations of “chemicals”. Chemistry is everywhere, and you own body, left to its own devices in eden will generate chemicals.

    When you step on a completely snake, in the middle of the most natural forest, with your ultra natural foot, and it injects amazingly natural chemicals, that is a venom, you are at risk. When you get a pristine glass of water of a verified, state controlled tap, you are also ingesting “chemicals”, H2O, NaCH, NaF, thosands of things in this case, good for you

  69. Sebastian

    May 7, 2015 at 11:01 am

    You can, and that is where vaccines started, use ethyl alcohol, the same one you drink in a beer, with some pus from measles to create a vaccine. That has some drawbacks, and a bunch of eggheads used its brain to come back with better transports.

  70. Sebastian

    May 7, 2015 at 11:07 am

    What kind of idiots can read that and think they should not vaccinate?
    Assuming the hastly conclussion is true, of course there were (and there are) many issues while developing medicine.
    Trade offs are everywhere. This is not mathematics.

  71. Sebastian

    May 7, 2015 at 11:08 am

    Sonya, simply “nope”. Try reading a book you don’t like every month; do it for 10 years, and get back to see me.

  72. Sebastian

    May 7, 2015 at 11:11 am

    Eh.. Again.Nope. Go back to your chemistry class, and see me in 2 years. Whoever uses the word “belive” in this discussion is wrong.

  73. Sebastian

    May 7, 2015 at 11:20 am

    Because, for example, what the inmune system recognizes are proteines in the outer layer of the virus. Think of it as a…keyboard. You, as the inmune system, can recognize anything that has letters on it. You take a keyboard, break it, and it will not function as a keyboard, but you teach your body, when you see those keys, take it seriously.

    And it will come the time when someone finally realizes that sitting is a danger, or driving; and we will walk as we’ve done the last millions of years. Things change, and you are living at one side of the tremendous developement that happened in the last 80 years. in 1600 there were still some people that prefered to belive the tale of the miasmas, or bad spirits intead of the microbiology model. 400 years… that is _NOTHING_. and things got pretty interesting since 1800 onwards, not to tell from 1900 from here. What is worse, marketing was invented ~1940. that really made things hard.

    I got bored of this. Educate yourself, please.

  74. Sebastian

    May 7, 2015 at 11:30 am

    It saddens me deeply to see people unable to tell what is marketing, what is deceiving them, and their own incapacity to test their perception.

    This funny video has a masterpiece in between:
    https://youtu.be/yJD1Iwy5lUY?t=45s

    if you look at the person asking, she might belive she is smart, different, trying to avoid a trap. She is completely obnubilated by herself, unable to understand her efforts might be of much better use paiting clouds. Google shows the results… but she _decides_ to trust the knowledge she though she already had.

  75. RegularSkeptic

    July 1, 2015 at 11:14 pm

    @ the so-called ”DOCTOR” Heath Motley:

    I don’t know what kind of doctor you are, or if you’re even any kind of doctor at all, but looking at your long lists of diseases and supposed side-effects of vaccination literally made me laugh out loud! Is there any disease, condition or congenital defect you WON’T blame on vaccinations?

    Granted, some of the side-effects, even some of the more serious ones you post, have been documented in rare cases (some of them EXTREMELY rare – like 1:1.000.000.000), but listing stuff like ringing in the ears (also known as tinnitus), migraines, diabetes, autism, epilepsy and deafness is just plain stupid. Those diseases and conditions have absolutely NOTHING to do with what’s injected during vaccinations and anyone claiming that they got any of this from being vaccinated is either lying or making the false assumptions about cause and effect.

    Let’s take ringing in the ears (tinnitus) as a great example. Almost all known causes of tinnitus are related to a physical change in the ear or the veins and vessels around it, either from direct damage like prolonged exposure to loud noises, earwax blockage, head trauma or physical changes to the bones or hairs in the ear. So, what’s your claim here? An injection of dead viral cells can cause earwax buildup, change the structure of the bones in the inner ear or damage the hairs? You seem to know a lot about the effect, so what part of the vaccine or vaccination process is the cause? Cause and effect are usually linked, you know…

    And autism… I’m so sick of that argument! What kind of autism do vaccinations cause? Autism is called a “broad spectrum disorder” for a reason and that reason is that autism presents itself in many different ways with varying degrees of severity. In all likelihood, within the next hundred years, many of the disorders that are now labelled “autism” will get their very own names, because the symptoms vary so greatly that there’s a good chance they’re all caused by different things. Saying that vaccinations cause autism is like saying apples cause insanity. The list of possible symptoms under the umbrella label “insanity” ranges from temporary, unexplained fits of rage, anxiety or depression to debilitating phobias to full-on paranoid schizophrenia, so if you wanted that argument to be taken seriously, you’d have to provide a little more detail than “causes insanity”. What type of insanity and how are apples the cause?

    You go on to post an even vaguer claim of “neurological symptoms”. What neurological symptoms? Are we talking full body spasms or just a twitching big toe on the left foot? That’s a pretty broad claim to make! Of course, if your definition of “neurological symptoms” is itching around the injection site, then yes, vaccinations can cause “neurological symptoms” and do it quite often. You sure you don’t want to blame multiple sclerosis, chronic fatigue syndrome and fibromyalgia on vaccines too? You seem to be good at finding vague or as yet unexplained diseases and disorders that you can attribute to vaccines, since there’s no proof they CAN’T be linked to that, because no one really knows what causes them at all. Problem is, as no one yet knows the causes of these diseases and conditions, your arguments wouldn’t carry any weight. I could be just as right as you if I claimed they were caused by watching silly TV commercials.

    The one thing in your posts that made me laugh the most, though, was this:

    “Unexplained diseases”

    If I need to explain why that made me laugh, you’re even dumber than your posts suggest!

    Are vaccines 100% safe? Of course not. Nothing in this world is. But betting against vaccines and placing all your money on surviving contact with a virus “in the wild” is stupid and dangerous. But let’s say some of those side-effects are real, be honest, which condition would you rather have hit you or a loved one, tinnitus or death…?

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  78. CantWeAllGetAlong

    January 10, 2016 at 1:58 pm

    Chicken pox may be mild compared to other childhood diseases — but it CAN produce complications, and the same virus hides in the body and can give rise shingles later in life. Most people would like to avoid that.

    Yes, improved hygiene has improved health. But improved hygiene isn’t what eradicated smallpox. Vaccination did that. Vaccination had taken measles and whooping cough down nearly to eradication, until the anti-vaxxers came along. We haven’t become less hygienic in those years. It’s lack of herd immunity.

    Pertussis (whooping cough) is on the rise for two reasons: 1) antivaxxers have reduced the effect of herd immunity, leaving people who cannot be vaccinated (such as newborns or people with on immune suppressant drugs) extremely vulnerable and 2) immunity to pertussis via vaccines does wear off, just as the vaccine for tetanus. The vaccine must be re-administered from time to time, and not everyone knows this or takes the time to get their tetanus and pertussis shots (often they’re given together as the DPT shot) as they should.

  79. CantWeAllGetAlong

    January 10, 2016 at 2:03 pm

    Aaron, really? Were’t you paying attention in Biology class? Natural exposure to a live virus can result in contracting a serious disease that is potentially fatal. A dead virus and “a bunch of chemicals” (like dihydrogen monoxide, gasp) produces a mild immune reaction followed by the production of B-memory cells. That means that if you’re ever exposed to the living virus, your body immediately kicks in, producing antibodies to destroy the invader so fast that you don’t even notice.

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