Watch Ken Ham compare Bill Nye to Satan who offers people the forbidden fruit of knowledge

In a video released one day after his debate with Bill Nye, young earth creationist Ken Ham compared his opponent to Satan offering Eve the forbidden fruit from the Tree of Knowledge — bringing about the fall of man.

“Here is the difference,” Ham said. “We are saying that we start with the word of God who knows everything and has always been there, and so he gives us the key information we need to have the ability to build a correct world view, to approach the understanding of reality in the right way.”

“Whereas Bill Nye is saying, ‘No, it’s autonomous human reasoning, it’s autonomous man, there is no God. I’m the reasonable man, and so I’m going to come up with these explanations because I decide – you know, trust me, I’m the authority. You don’t trust God. God’s not the authority. I am. Man is the authority,’” he continued.

Ham then went on to suggest that Nye was operating like Satan did towards Eve in the biblical creation myth.

“Trust God, or you become like God,” Ham explained. “There has been a battle since Genesis 3 between God’s word and man’s word. It’s always been a battle over authority. Who is the authority? God or man?

Ham explained that Satan is using Nye – just as he did Eve – to turn man away from God and to trust in his own rationale to understand the world.

“And what is the method [Satan] used on Eve?” Ham asked, insinuating that Nye played the role of the tempter during the debate, offering the fruit of knowledge to people who subscribe to a young, 6,000 year-old earth.

“That was the battle that played out here on this stage.”

Watch below, via The Raw Story:

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  2. Except Satan was god’s ‘counsel’- just read the Book of Job. The Serpent was created by god- why would god make such a crafty creature, one that spoke and thought? None of the other creatures did. Its god’s fault and Ham is an idiot.

    • Lilith, What you are describing, we have all done in video games, like Simms City, we create a city and then just for fun, we wreck it. We use just enough power to make sure it’s wrecked, but not destroyed. Under the Creationist idea, god created man and just like Simms City, he used just the right amount of snake con-job in the Garden of Eden to get his creations to react the way he wanted. Just like I know exactly how much of an earthquake will knock a building over in “Simms City, he known what will make man fail. Under evangelicalism, we are just toys of a board super powerful creature.

      • You’ve clearly never played “Simms City,” because you can’t even spell it right despite it being slathered all over every part of the game: it is called SimCity.

        You have to remember, with SimCity, we are God in that world. Those people in that game have little to NO autonomy. If you make a highway that is the shortest route to work, despite there being another road one grid block in length, they will traffic jam on the shorter road. Because, why? Logic: they aren’t people.

        Also, someone else made SimCity, so you aren’t even God in that world. You are God in a world that has constraints. There is NO constraint on the human mind, and a God can be invented from it and can do anything we want him to do. If God knew how Eve was going to react to the snake, why make the snake in the first place if he already knew what was going to happen? Isn’t he omnipotent (all-knowing)? Answer me that.

      • Serah Merrick. I’ve played the game a lot when it first came out, I’m just a bad speller.and as I use to thank my mom for correcting all my letters to her, I thank you now.

        Now, back to science and away from liberal arts… I played SimCity, gods have nothing to do with it, they don’t exist. I was just pointing out that, as YOU point out, if a god is omnipotent, than it would know down to the electrons spinning around the atoms in the synapses of Eve’s brain, he would have to know exactly what chain of events is going to happen in Eve’s brain. It would know exactly how to tempt it to get it to react a certain way. When it crated the snake, it knew exactly what the result would be, after all it’s omnipotent, right?

        Now, my example of SimCity was, on a far lesser (infinity from omnipotent) level, was a city programmed to fail with enough tornadoes and earth quakes and as a player of the game, I new just how much damage it could sustain before building turned to rubbish. If you design something, you have an idea how it will fail, if you are omnipotent, you known for a fact how it will fail.

        Clearly the books that make up the bible were written by man, without the mental reasoning to understand what omnipotent really means.

      • One could accept that perhaps there are some losers that deserve punishment but it turns out that in the Biblical view, *almost all people* are to be punished and the ones that are not are either selected by God to be spared or are spared even if they were worse than everybody else. Not a lot of justice or mercy in the scriptures.

  3. I watched that debate. That’s not what Bill Nye said at all. Bill and science is not fighting the battle that Ken Ham is describing at all.

    Ken Ham is fighting ghosts and delusions.

  4. Ham sounds like any typ. of extreme right wing politician0r activist , if your argument has no real basis except for, hear say, then insult and accuse the other party, in this case, Bill Nye. of being evil……..

  5. What I hear is a man claiming he’s the authority, but instead of using facts to back his authority, he’s claiming some deity give him the authority, so take his word for it.

    There is no God there, there’s a book that some men wrote that claim there was a God and this guy thinks they were telling the truth.

    I say, I don’t reject God’s, there’s no evidence they exist, I reject the silly stories of men. This guy is one silly man.

  6. How does Ken Ham know he is right? He is infallible and possesses all information.

    “By definition, no apparent, perceived or claimed evidence in any field, including history and chronology, can be valid if it contradicts the scriptural record. Of primary importance is the fact that evidence is always subject to interpretation by fallible people who do not possess all information.” – Answers in Genesis Statement of Faith.

  7. Ken’s attempts at getting Bill to accept his world view and faith are not working. If Ken is in anyway motivated by converting people to Christianity, and has fears if he fails, then those fears are a step closer after this debate.

    When people are so publicly vocal about religion I worry they know themselves to be sinners are are trying hard, too hard, to buy their way back into heaven.

  8. No, it’s not really a question of man’s word against that of a god, it’s simply a question of man’s word against a group of ancient people’s description of what they thought constitued their god and what they thought that their god wanted.

    • Everyone needs to call them on this. I laugh when they say “Why do you reject God?” and respond, I don ‘t reject any gods, there’s no evidence for them, I reject this crazy story your telling me. It really is just down right stupid that they expect us to just take their word for this nonsense, without them doing anything to show us they are creditable.

  9. Science vs Superstition is the battle, Mr. Ham. If you start with Genesis then you have to believe that man is composed of dirt + breath even though man is primarily composed of water and microbes. And you have to believe that woman is composed of just bone, even though she is primarily water and microbes. You have to believe that the sky is a solid structure with waters above it and hatches to let it rain in response to prayer. You have to believe that an ancient leader was able to make a tower up to the sky ceiling, threatening to obtain equality with God thereby and had to be stopped by imbuing his workers with a lack of understanding of your language and giving them all new languages. You have to believe that serpents can talk. You have to believe that the aquifers are actually fountains. That light was created on day one while the sun and moon were not created until day four. And that he “also made the stars” and embedded them into the sky ceiling.And that when God wants to verify the behavior of Sodom and Gomorrah he has to leave the sky and first consult with his friend over pita and hummus. This is not science!!

  10. Well in that case, Ham should stop benefitting from all the technology that he despises, like flying in airplanes, using computers, wearing modern fabrics, eating food that has been cultivated with the use of science (as Nye pointed out; “How many of you here EAT?”), etc. Maybe he should go live in a cave and eat berries.

  11. I am not denying that there is a God (and although I have not seen their debate, I bet that Mr. Nye didn’t either), but what I find astonishing about this ridiculous diatribe, is that it is based on the huge leap of faith that we know there is a God, and that the Supreme Being described in the Bible is God and everything in the Bible is his infallible word. And we know all that how? Let’s see, I guess what Mr. Ham is really saying is “Trust me.” in that respect. Mr. Nye isn’t saying “Trust me.”, rather he is saying, “Trust your own mind and reason.”

    • Bill Nye actually admitted that most creationists believe in evolution and an old Earth and that Ham and other YEC’s are a very small minority of Christians.

  12. The moment people begin comparing other folk to Satan or linking them to Satan, then a line has been crossed. Linking another to Satan is about the filthiest thing a person can do, given the nature of Satan in Christian theology. Calling a person a “moron” or an “idiot” pales to insignificance, in comparison.

    It might be argued that the idea of Satan is sincerely believed and hence that the linkage is likewise sincere and so is legitimate. Then it’s simple to point out that thinking another to be a “moron” or an “idiot” is likewise legitimate, if it is a sincere belief.

    The Bible is a great book to humble those who claim to believe it, such that they have authority to do these kinds of things. Matt 7:21-23 tells many who claim to be saints, the elect, the true believers, that God will cast them aside, in the end.

    So I agree with Barry Desborough. How does Ham know this? Perhaps he needs to be careful?