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Watch the incredible moment when a creationist got outwitted by a sixth-grader

You have to wonder what’s more embarrassing: not being able to answer the intellectual challenges of an 11 year-old, or trying to badger your way out of his question when it proves to be too difficult.

During a debate in Portland back in November of 2012, young earth creationist Eric Hovind asserted that “if you don’t know everything, then you can’t know anything – unless you know someone who does.”

Huh?

That was exactly the reaction of a skeptical 6th grader in the audience, identified as “Chad,” who challenged Hovind to explain how he knows God exists if you can’t know anything without knowing everything.

Confused yet?

Hovind claimed that the only way humans can claim to know anything is if an all-knowing creator revealed itself to them. Otherwise, philosophy, science, etc., is all unreliable. Hovind then set himself up for disaster by using the “2 + 2 = 4” example.

“Chad, if I knew everything there was to know, if I had all knowledge and you didn’t and there was a rule that said I’m am never ever allowed to tell a lie,” Hovind said, using himself as an analogy for God. “And I said, ‘Chad, I know everything, I’m not allowed to lie; two plus two equals four.’ Could you now know that to be true, even though you Chad don’t know everything?”

“I know that two plus two is four,” Chad responded in bewilderment.

Hovind posed the question to Chad again. “If I knew everything and I couldn’t lie and I told you two plus two equals four, could you trust that to be true?”

“Yes, because I know it,” Chad shot back. “There’s proof for it. There’s no proof for God.”

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  1. Liberty Blueskyes

    February 2, 2014 at 4:50 am

    Look at all these ponticificating guys.

  2. Liberal Larry

    February 2, 2014 at 7:42 am

    OMG…it was like watching a train wreck…

  3. Aaron

    February 2, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    I too am absolutely sure that there is no existing proof for god.

  4. JDS

    February 2, 2014 at 3:44 pm

    The kid is right. There is absolutely NO PROOF OF GOD, there is only “faith” which comes through repeated brainwashing by religion.

  5. Perspective

    February 2, 2014 at 4:54 pm

    This jerk is just another a hole tring to validate himself and his bullcrap by claiming to be closer to God than those who he is arguing with. He finally realized that “because I say so” don’t mean crap so he’s stepping it up to the claim “because He says so”, which still doesn’t mean crap.

  6. ZachTheCommie

    February 3, 2014 at 7:24 am

    If you don’t know everything, you can’t know anything. Except for the fact that God exists. You can know that for sure, right?

    What?

  7. catsighting (@BigCatsFL)

    February 4, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    What an idiot, he doesn’t know anything, even two plus two = four is just because man named them as such. Oh plus oh can be ohohohoh or oooohhhh or four. You can make it anything you want. His stupid self delusion of grandaur made a good basis to believe in a God if only to say, Dear God, make this guy go away.

  8. kitcumbie

    March 10, 2014 at 5:50 pm

    Proof positive that religion destroys your cognitive abilities.

  9. darrell hampton

    March 10, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    sad to watch

  10. iodine9

    March 10, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    painful to watch…so many logical fallacies. i stopped counting.

  11. drpetersutphen

    March 10, 2014 at 9:46 pm

    “…if you don’t know everything, then you can’t know anything – unless you know someone who does.” Boy, and I thought Derrida, was difficult!

  12. Will Darrett

    March 11, 2014 at 3:37 am

    Just because you cannot see wind or air doesn’t mean it’s not there; but you can see the works of the two just the same.

  13. Will Darrett

    March 11, 2014 at 3:39 am

    Just because you cannot see wind or air doesn’t mean it’s not there; but you can see the works of the two just the same.

  14. Daniel

    March 11, 2014 at 6:33 am

    So Eric Hovind is claiming that he knows everything…and thus is supposed to tell us about god? Yeah, that makes sense

  15. Tim

    March 13, 2014 at 5:57 pm

    Wind and air are measureable quantities. One can use SCIENTIFIC instruments to measure them. Your argument holds no weight.

  16. CB

    April 11, 2014 at 12:54 am

    mental midget moron bible thumping fools.

  17. kilkee526

    July 10, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    It’s not about the “name,” moron, it’s about the mathematical concept, which is provable, unlike God.

  18. Aunti Christ-ine

    July 10, 2014 at 9:22 pm

    Mr.Darrett, Tim had already told you— see above, March 13 @ 17:57:00 —
    “Wind and air are measurable quantities. One can use SCIENTIFIC instruments to measure them. Your argument holds no weight.”

  19. Cowman Sampson

    July 11, 2014 at 5:17 am

    Are you serious? We have proof that air exists and we all witnessed first hand what wind can do especially how damaging it can be. No one has ever seen or physically felt God before. Nor if there any proof of his existence. We know air exist because oxygen and nitrogen equals air. Just like 2 + 2 = 4.

  20. BlackKingHFC

    July 11, 2014 at 6:11 am

    My question would have been “If you can only know something to be true if someone who knows everything and cannot lie tells you that it’s true, who told you that God exists and how do you know they weren’t lying to you?” Of course his answer would have to be God. Then I’d have to ask him why an omnipotent being such as God wouldn’t be able to tell a lie… and of course I’d like to see his proof of the conversation to prove he isn’t a liar.

  21. marecek

    July 11, 2014 at 7:34 am

    What is so astounding is that these fools either are so stupid as to believe they are making good arguments or they believe their audience is so stupid as to swallow it. Lack of total certainty entails no reliable knowledge at all, but lack of ANY knowledge or evidence whatsoever about a higher being means that he exists. Total and utter rubbish. If you don’t know X, but an omniscient being does know X and tells you, you should believe him. The small problem with that simplistic formula is the giant leap of establishing that there is a supreme being and of establishing that said being (presuming he exists), has actually communicated some knowledge to us. In all of human history, there has not been a single shred of evidence to support those two propositions.

  22. marecek

    July 11, 2014 at 7:44 am

    OMG, that kid ran circles around that bloviating idiot.

  23. Matt

    July 11, 2014 at 8:11 am

    right on

  24. Stephen Polasky

    July 11, 2014 at 12:44 pm

    But you can “see” wind and air. We have the means to identify, measure and evaluate both, and many other things ‘invisible’ to us through the use of technology that augments our senses. But so far zero credible evidence that god(s) exist has been detected and much that is credited to it(them) has more logical, provable explanations.

  25. John Masters

    July 11, 2014 at 1:38 pm

    I teach an adult Sunday School class, and we try to approach our studies intellectually (as much as one can in dealing with fables), and I haven’t seen anywhere in all my studies where there is a rule that God can’t lie. In fact, in a few places he does, and in many places, especially the Old Testament, he actually encourages some people to deceive others.

    So, I think he believes God is the only one who knows everything, but since God can’t actually be trusted to never lie, then we here can never know anything at all, so he really can’t be positive that 2+2=4.

    What a douche.

  26. Joe

    July 11, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    If there were proof of God, we wouldn’t need faith.

  27. eagle1

    July 12, 2014 at 1:37 am

    no proof of God?…If the world was created in a big bang, then the moon created when it and the earth collided, then where in the hell did we come from….meaning if these events did happen, the earth was burnt to a crisp…meaning void of live….now your going to tell me meteors brought water and organisms with them as well???…No proof…We know Jesus was born…we know where his grave is…we have documented accounts of people speaking with him, walking with him… wow im just blown away…

  28. Patrick Browning

    October 4, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    Both wind and air are extremely measurable. Are you really that daft, or do you just have trouble expressing yourself with, you know, coherent thoughts?

  29. Whitney

    October 4, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    Plus, I can absolutely see air. It’s called exhaling when it’s cold.

  30. Whitney

    October 4, 2014 at 11:30 pm

    You do know that the people who supposedly walked with him were not the authors of the bible, right? That isn’t proof.

  31. pmerced

    October 5, 2014 at 12:52 am

    I thought Apple users were smart enough!!

  32. GoFig

    October 5, 2014 at 3:40 am

    Reminds me when I asked my Catechism teacher when I was 11 “If God made man in his own image, does that mean God looks like an ape”? I was sent to sit in the hall. The difference now is these Zealots actually think they can argue their case.

  33. Conway

    October 5, 2014 at 4:03 am

    Whats that german word for “a face that needs a punching”?

  34. Mike

    October 5, 2014 at 4:54 am

    There’s your problem you assume that if you can’t see it it must be magic. Like left-handedness, sex orientation or mental illness, or viruses or bacteria! Good to see your upholding ancient traditions!

  35. John Raybell

    October 5, 2014 at 5:08 am

    Wow just wow…… Did you go to school and one more thing HOW THE HELL DO YOU SURVIVE DAY TO DAY WITH HOW YOU THINK!!!!!

  36. Shawn Alfaro

    October 5, 2014 at 5:09 am

    a slow condescending painful train wreck

  37. Sara Beth Miller

    October 5, 2014 at 5:31 am

    Please tell me you’re trolling , Eagle….

  38. RisingPhoenix

    October 5, 2014 at 8:16 am

    Eagle one… we know jackshit. There is ZERO proof of your Jebus existing and there are ZERO true accounts of any encounters with him except those which are created in the imaginations of the feebleminded and delusional.

  39. Mako

    October 5, 2014 at 10:16 am

    what a bunch of idiots

  40. Casper Rigsby

    October 5, 2014 at 11:47 am

    First of all, there is overwhelming evidence for the big bang including having reproduced a big bang sequence and the accretion cycle that builds planets and stars that follows such an event. There is also overwhelming evidence to support a two world collision that brought us not only the moon, but also the water on this planet. And as for meteors bringing life, you really should look into the Higgs/Boson project.

    Worse than your ignorance of scientific FACTS is your ignorance of history. There is actually zero proof of Jesus’ existence, there is no grave known for a fact to have been Jesus’, and most importantly there isn’t a single biblical scholar on the face of the earth who can corroborate the existence of Jesus from any materials outside the bible and if he was a real man who worked miracles he SHOULD have been the talk of the town. But NO ONE aside from the third-hand accounts of the gospels says anything at all about Jesus. http://www.viralglobalnews.com/science/jesus-exist-says-historian/18269/

    You, like Hovind, need to educate yourself and stop making a fool of yourself in public.

  41. Casper Rigsby

    October 5, 2014 at 11:49 am

    First of all, there is overwhelming evidence for the big bang including having reproduced a big bang sequence and the accretion cycle that builds planets and stars that follows such an event. There is also overwhelming evidence to support a two world collision that brought us not only the moon, but also the water on this planet. And as for meteors bringing life, you really should look into the Higgs/Boson project.
    Worse than your ignorance of scientific FACTS is your ignorance of history. There is actually zero proof of Jesus’ existence, there is no grave known for a fact to have been Jesus’, and most importantly there isn’t a single biblical scholar on the face of the earth who can corroborate the existence of Jesus from any materials outside the bible and if he was a real man who worked miracles he SHOULD have been the talk of the town. But NO ONE aside from the third-hand accounts of the gospels says anything at all about Jesus. http://www.viralglobalnews.com/science/jesus-exist-says-historian/18269/
    You, like Hovind, need to educate yourself and stop making a fool of yourself in public.

  42. ken

    October 5, 2014 at 12:03 pm

    No, we don’t have any proof for Jesus having been born, nor for his grave. No record of his existence from the actual time he is said to have existed here. Don’t believe it? Then provide the proof here for your claims Eagle1…..think you’re blown away now. Just wait till you can’t find anything. You can always pray for the evidence…

  43. Tom

    October 5, 2014 at 12:28 pm

    Yes there is proof that Jesus Christ, the man, existed. What there is no proof of is that he was God, or the son of God. Do you not understand the difference?

  44. Tom

    October 5, 2014 at 1:24 pm

    Here is the issue that continually troubles me about this page. You continually find the worst examples of Chrisitianity and attempt to make it the norm. You then pride yourselves on being, “scientific.”

  45. marecek

    October 5, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    “The proof of God is that, without God, you can’t know anything.” Am I the only one who considers this absurd mumbo jumbo?

  46. Greg

    October 5, 2014 at 1:37 pm

    If I cannot know anything for certain, then even if there were a being who DID know everything for certain, then I could not know for certain that such a being exists, and therefore could not trust in anything he says.

  47. maxx

    October 5, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    the guy tried to use an intellectual argueent instead of preaching the Bible to him . tell him he will know when he is on fire.

  48. Michael

    October 5, 2014 at 7:14 pm

    God….. created in the human mind to explain the unexplainable…. so many people have weak minds and need the unexplained to be explained with something that make sense to them so they invent “God” and that’s their answer to everything. .. where do babies come from…”god” would be their answer…not babies come from 2 opposite genders having unprotected sex… where do humans come from..”god” They would say..even though there is scientific proof that evolution is evident and we evolved from micro-organizims, to primates to what we are now… I’m agnostic so I do believe in a higher power but that higher power I’d the energy that flows through our bodies, world and universe… I also believe in Alien life elsewhere and do believe in the possibility that religion can be connected with them. …Anyway, the existence of God is determined by an individual on wether he/or she wants to believe, however no idiot should try to make someone believe by saying crap like this moron said to the child…

  49. sccmstl

    October 5, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    The correct descriptive phrase is “wacked-out, batshit-crazy loony”.

  50. sccmstl

    October 5, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    How can we “need” faith, since nothing “spiritual” actually exists?

  51. Michelle

    October 6, 2014 at 12:12 am

    That’s crazy. One can PROVE that there is wind and air. There are let me say it slowly for you, there are s-c-i-e-n-t-i-f-i-c methods to prove there is wind and air. They can be measured. BUT! Apparently if you can’t see science, THEN you must see God.

  52. criz

    October 6, 2014 at 12:53 am

    ust because you cannot see you are stupid doesn’t mean you are not; but we can see your works

  53. criz

    October 6, 2014 at 12:54 am

    haha, his dad told him… from jail.

  54. Donald

    October 6, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    He reminds me of myself at 11. The whole idea of God seemed ridiculous.

  55. Donald

    October 6, 2014 at 9:05 pm

    Science exists just fine without certainty.

  56. Perry

    October 6, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    Sorry, Will, but there is no absolute proof that can be scientifically proven that a so-called deity exists. The best that can be said is that leaders of groups of people thousands of years ago used a mythological superior character to teach morality and hold out a hope for a betterment of their lives. Eventually this myth morphed into an organized, regimented system of belief that promised rewards that existed in the member’s minds only. There is no proof of a heaven, hell, or any type of existence after the member’s body ceases to function. If you believe I am wrong in this belief please offer up any tangible proof you have. I cannot see wind but I can feel it. I know air exists because there are scientific measurements to prove it and describe it’s contents. I cannot see a germ but I know it will make me sick. A beautiful sunset proves only that there are impurities in the air that light refracts into different colors. A hurricane or blizzard is not proof that some type of deity is unhappy with our actions but is simply a combination of factors that come together to form them.

  57. SpiritOnParole (@SpiritOnParole)

    October 9, 2014 at 3:02 am

    No you can’t see wind or air, you can literally feel it brush across you skin and affect the hair and temperature. Proof doesn’t just mean “seeing” we have other senses. 🙂

  58. SpiritOnParole (@SpiritOnParole)

    October 9, 2014 at 3:04 am

    Science… it’s your friend. 🙂

  59. Wren523

    October 9, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    To come to the knowledge of all, desire the knowledge of nothing.

    The Ascent of Mt Carmel – St. John of the Cross

    Haha – this Creationist has got it all bass ackwards AGAIN. Dope.

  60. Connor Forbush

    October 9, 2014 at 10:09 pm

    Science doesn’t have an answer for how the spark of life itself manifests in physical bodies.!!!They just don’t know. “it’s electrical impulses in the brain” is literally all we know about consciousness. SCIENCE has discovered EVIDENCE of souls in human beings. All you cocky nerd atheists need to meditate and learn to appreciate the beautiful intelligent design that we inhabit.

  61. eot253

    December 7, 2014 at 7:02 am

    First, I’m not a bible thumper. Second, use science to explain how life started. Lightning struck a mud puddle and just so happens everything was present to start life? That sounds crazier than religion to me. Science has theories, religion has theories, but everyone completely disregards 1 and places validity with another. I believe science and religion can exist simultaneously. Now all the science heads can ridicule religious people for their views and spreading their word, but then do the exact same thing by telling religious people how stupid they are for believing in a theory. Science p laces importance on theory, religion is theory, let’s not be too hypocritical.

  62. Xenubarb Goromasu

    December 7, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    jajajajajajajajaja! Thanks for the larf.

  63. Yummy Nummy

    December 7, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    I am so proud of Chad. He nailed it. That guy in the blue shirt seriously needs to invest in a solid, classical education with a strong emphasis on logic and critical thinking. Too many of us in the United States are simply allowing these religious bozos to run amok without challenging their drivel.

  64. Alice McCabe

    December 7, 2014 at 8:40 pm

    If Jesus rose from the dead, as the Bible claims, then there is no “grave”. Where is this supposed grave, and what/who is in it?

  65. OH

    December 8, 2014 at 7:04 pm

    I cannot furnish you proof of the Elohim. That is a matter known as faith. Faith being a firm belief and hope in that which has yet to be proven.

  66. Ciroc Olama

    December 21, 2014 at 11:20 pm

    Science and religion were both written by man. Scientific law is derived from a man’s theory after his/her observation. No one can more disprove that God exist than one can prove that he does not exist. Before someone decided what to name air and wind, no one knew what air and wind was.

  67. Steen

    December 22, 2014 at 12:13 am

    Connor, do you mind providing that scientific evidende of the soul? Or are you lying for Jesus? (I predict a srive-by poster)

  68. Steen Goddik

    December 22, 2014 at 12:16 am

    Eot, your description does indeed sound crazy. Even to scientists, it sounds crazy. Because, that is not what the scientific evidence shows. So evedence through strawman argument merely shows that you are ignorant of the subject.

  69. Steen

    December 22, 2014 at 12:20 am

    Really, eot? Lightning and a mud puddle? What kind of science has ever stated this. It makes us think that you are utterly ignorant of the subject. An impression further cemented by your remarks about “theiry.”

  70. JamesK

    December 22, 2014 at 12:24 am

    Then, Eagle, provide scientific evidence to back your claims.

  71. beowulf42

    December 22, 2014 at 12:34 am

    Aristotle told us 2500 years ago that all knowledge come through our senses. I know what I can touch, see, feel, hear, smell. I can’t do any of those in regards to a special deity. Ancient myths prove nothing but that there is a collective effort to create heroes and provide intermediate answers to eternal questions. This condescending asshole is a total fraud. We cannot know what doesn’t exist in a real sense. God is a literary answer to a question about reality. Faith is something else. It exist in the absence of real proof. What is there? As in, what can I sense. Buhuda, Krishna, Christ only answer the question in a certain way. We have to sort out the answers.

  72. Hunter

    December 22, 2014 at 1:36 am

    I know of no proof a deity exists. My question is I see a sunrise and I see beauty. I think most of us see sunrises as a thing of beauty. My question is how or why do I see beauty?

  73. turtles

    December 22, 2014 at 2:04 am

    Jesus may well have existed but that fact doesn’t prove the existence of God now does it?

  74. David Ferrari

    December 22, 2014 at 2:28 am

    We certainly can see air, and if the Repugnican politicians and their big energy owners have their way, we will no longer be able to breathe the air, but we will see it quite clearly.

  75. Duane Alford

    December 22, 2014 at 2:31 am

    Whata pathetic excuse for an intellectual, offering outrageous hypotheticals to an 11yr old, he’d been better off using Rumsfeld’s “we don’t know what we know”

  76. Maria Werner Brejner

    December 22, 2014 at 3:43 am

    That’s a great point this guy is making, without even knowing it. He wants a non-believer to admit he could be wrong, but I doubt he himself would admit that there might be no God.

  77. lcrhd

    December 22, 2014 at 4:06 am

    Why is there a creationist in a school. They don’t belong there. If they want to sell something put them out on the streets with their collection pots.

  78. realitext

    December 22, 2014 at 8:34 am

    it was a reasonable argument to me. inductive arguments cant provide absolute certainty. only deductive arguments can provide absolute certainty and only an all knowing being can provide the propositions that serve as valid premises for deducing absolute certainty.

    kid is smart, clearly, but this was not a “train wreck”

    who cares. we all worship money anyway.

  79. Bryan

    December 22, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Out of all this argument, weather proof or not, there is no doubt about one true belief. And that is each and everyone of us have a choice. You either believe or you dont. The choice is intirely up to you. With this rambling about ” if you don’t know everything, you can’t know anything. Except for the fact that God exists.” you could simply say that yes, there is no scientific proof that he does indeed exist. True, that if you knew with proof that he existed, then you wouldn’t need faith. This is, to me, why we are living in the world that we live in today. You may not have proof of this and that. But one thing stands pretty firm. When you have faith, no matter if it’s real or not, it gives you a peace, a calm notion to have just enough hope in humanity. Look at those that do have faith. They are the ones that will help you when you need it. They are the ones that don’t judge. They are the ones that give you hope. So I say, no matter what you believe, you can always rely on faith. Because you either have it within you, or its a least lingering next to you inside someone else while standing in line. And Don worry, you will be able to spot that person that has faith and hope. Because they will eventually stop and help you when they see the need. And that my friend is all the scientific proof anyone needs.

  80. Liadan

    December 22, 2014 at 2:14 pm

    I am a devout Christian. These guys are an embarrassment and made no logical sense. Ridiculous.

  81. Robert

    December 22, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    That’s stupid. You can feel the wind and air. You breathe the wind and air. You can, under various circumstances, SEE the wind and air. You can measure the wind and air. You can weigh the wind and air.

    Because it’s real.

  82. Bob

    December 22, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    You are absolutely correct. The statement that “Without God, you can’t know anything” is a claim that needs proof. It is not in any way a given or something that is true by definition. Something that is true by definition is “2+2=4” or “A bachelor is an unmarried male.” This guy makes a claim and offers not a single shred of evidence to support it.

  83. Wesley P. Colvin.

    December 22, 2014 at 5:54 pm

    You can have faith in other people, can’t you? Other than that, I agree with your point.

  84. Jeff Mace

    December 22, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    Actually, we CAN see and measure air in a completely phsiological way with the proper instrumentation (there is no reason to use the word wind separately than air, because wind IS air, moreover it’s the movement of air from physical, temperate, or other geological forces at play). But yeah…we actually can see and measure the molecules, and their interaction in the natural world around us…we can even separate and change the structure of different “invisible” gas structures, and create different gasses. Don’t believe me? Put the wrong gas in your scuba tanks, let me know how that works out. In terms of attempted logic, you yourself are so bereft of footing here, i dare say you are just floating in thin air.

  85. Jeff Mace

    December 22, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    There is debate on the subject of said “proof”, Tom. It’s not definitive proof..and as of recent there is “proof” that Jesus was a fable created by the Roman Empire.

    I don’t necessarily think these recent findings are conclusive, but it’s relevant to point it out. There is no actual “proof”…only word of mouth accounts.

  86. yeueu

    December 22, 2014 at 9:21 pm

    Will. Your a moron.

  87. eot253

    December 23, 2014 at 2:57 am

    Haha way to troll man. Watch Ben Stein, Expelled: No intelligence allowed. He goes into great detail on the theory of life starting, and frankly it boils down to lightning striking a puddle. Yes I made it concise to avoid writing a book, but your ignorant comment about my ignorance is flabbergasting. Btw, what is “thiery”, I spelled it correctly, maybe your confused? Anyway, I’m sure you’ll ignore this comment without checking the background just as you did my first post. Either way, all I was stating is that there can be a meshed belief in both, 1 doesn’t always have to directly contradict the other. Or continue with your closed mind, really makes no difference to me 🙂

  88. eot253

    December 23, 2014 at 3:09 am

    So its more sane to believe in primordial soup than a higher being! Haha, like I said, not a bible thumper, I was only stating the 2 can coexist. Science nerds want to bad mouth religious people for believing in theory when they do the same thing! So much theory is taken for law have we forgotten those steps we learned in grade school to test a theory before stating it’s law, or we just jump straight to it now?

  89. Steen

    December 24, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    EOT, Stein is not evidence of anything but pontification and misdirection. Stein also is utterly ignorant of what the science says. If you actually want to know, start researching Abiogenesis. You will note it being very different than Stein’s lies, never mind how much you liked them.. And no, it still doesn’t boil down to lightning striking a puddle. Your ignorance is still on display, your claim is false.
    As for my disagreement making me into “troll man,” that merely shows your level of maturity.
    And to the meat of your claim, trying to merge science and belief directly violates the Scientific Method, and makes it not science. You can wish it oh-so-much, but wishes still are not science or evidence.

  90. Steen

    December 24, 2014 at 11:55 pm

    Bjut, now we do know, and we can measure it and quantify it. So now, it is part of science and science exploration. Wishful thinking and beliefs are not. Where is your data?

  91. eot253

    December 25, 2014 at 12:46 am

    Steen, I really enjoy hearing from people like you, no joke. I find it hilarious that these pseudo “scientists” want to label christians as close minded when in reality the majority are close minded themselves, hypocritical no? So it’s fine with me for you to continue to criticize my maturity and my ideas, i feel no need to criticize yours. This article was just trotter for people like you to strengthen your close minded ideals, and continue to self proclaim your enlightenment above those that are religious. I am religious, albeit not an extrextremely zealous one, and to your surprise I’m sure, I also love science. My life has gone by fine so far coexisting with the both, and if you disagree with that notion or think it’s impossible, then so be it, how you live your life is entirely up to you.

  92. lance

    December 25, 2014 at 7:46 am

    Do you have to be illiterate to be religious or do you somehow become illiterate afterward? Now “you’re going to tell me…” Not “your”. Most 5th graders write better than the average ‘believer’ who posts their tripe online. We have the same documentation that Harry Potter existed as your Jesus character but Harry appears in more than just one book and his are much more more plausible stories. Your Jesus myth was based on myths that pre-dated “him” by 500-1,000 years. Your ‘savior’ is an amalgam of much earlier Babylonian myths amongst others. Look up Mythras, Horus & Osiris. Your Jesus not only didn’t exist, he wasn’t even an original myth. He just appears in one book of mythology. By your “reasoning” Harry Potter is as real as your Jesus ’cause a story was written about him too. Actually he’s more real ’cause he appears in multiple books AND movies!

  93. LaQuita A Wierima

    May 31, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    You can feel wind and air and you can see the damage and good both can cause. There is no prove like that concerning God. And I do believe in God but I don’t see the prove either.

  94. espieky

    May 31, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    Will, you can observe wind and air. They are quite easily measurable. Your response is moronic at best.

  95. Mr. X

    May 31, 2015 at 9:32 pm

    So, because you can’t see farts, it must be your God.

  96. Doug the Farmer

    November 13, 2015 at 6:25 am

    Huh? Using smarts instead of blind unfounded faith will land you in the mythical fire world? Only after monkeys fly out of your butt. THINK, don’t knee-jerk.

    BTW only one “e” in “argument”, and yes, there is an “m” in there too. Think AND learn – your world will then make a lot more sense.

  97. Doug the Farmer

    November 13, 2015 at 6:32 am

    The refuge of those who are over-powered with the complexity of the real world: religious oversimplification. Failing that: blind faith.

  98. Doug the Farmer

    November 13, 2015 at 6:50 am

    Huh? Elo-what? How can any thinking person believe in what has yet to be proven or is even remotely feasible? Faith seems to exist for you as some sort of comforting internal mechanism – but has nothing to do with the world outside of your own mind. Is reality that scary for you?

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