People who believe in evolution translate questions posed by biblical creationists

In the wake of Bill Nye the Science Guy’s 2014 debate with young earth creationist Ken HamBuzzFeed ran a piece entitled “22 Messages From Creationists To People Who Believe In Evolution.”

The premise of the piece was simple: ask 22 people who believe in creationism to pose whatever question they wanted to evolutionists, write it down and hold their questions up on a piece of paper for the camera.

BuzzFeed was admirably quiet on the ideological fodder of the piece, leaving it open to the interpretations of viewers and commenters. But the folks over at The Science of Sarcasm took an opportunity too good to pass up, translating the questions into language they thought might reveal a little bit of what could be behind the creationist’s train of thought.

Check them out (Original photos by Matt Stopera at BuzzFeed):



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    Kevin MacKay

    February 10, 2014 at 1:43 am

    I believe In god and science, I believe both can coexist and must. The comments while amusing serve no purpose other than to ridicule those who do not agree. That is not scientific. Bill did great and put forth information that can speak truth in itself. Stop the insults, it demeans us all!

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    Christine Akers

    February 10, 2014 at 10:53 am

    I have to say that this is not fair. I’m an atheist. So, of course I find their questions to often be absurd. However, at the end of this conference when these people were asked to write down their questions, I’m sure they didn’t think they’d be paraded around the internet and ridiculed.

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    no one important

    February 10, 2014 at 5:24 pm

    Simple as this… This is the internet… Any picture you post people will twist it to fit their current objective no matter what… And it’s not just one group who does it either… No matter what you believe in… Whether it be god, trees, flying purple rainbow pooping monkeys from outer space… There is at least one asshole in every group… EVERY group and if someone says there isn’t then odds are they are the asshole of their group… So if you don’t want to be paraded around the internet then don’t post pictures on the internet.

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    Samuel Roe

    February 10, 2014 at 5:34 pm

    Amen. We get no further by perpetuating the cycle of ridicule.

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    February 10, 2014 at 8:23 pm

    Christine, If people havent learned that anything posted online is fair game for any use outside of their own ideas, well thats really on them isnt it?

    And Kevin, these statements, though snarky and even a little too intelligent speak to the persons original statement. Ridicule is exactly what they were trying to do to science in the first place. They are non-believers/misinformed and these statements complete the information cirlce. Even the last one about the DNA testing, its a perfect example of people not thinking things thru.

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    February 10, 2014 at 8:26 pm

    “And God said, ‘Let there be light’, and there was a Big Bang.”

    Genesis 1:3 (or something like that)

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    February 10, 2014 at 9:06 pm

    Are you guys five years old? Seriously, take a rhetoric or debate class. “Mocking your opponent until they agree with you” is not an effective approach. Or perhaps you aren’t trying to persuade anyone, you’re just childishly teasing others for their beliefs? If that is the case, cut it out. You’re getting in the way of people who are actually trying to persuade rather than alienate creationists. You are actually hurting the cause you claim to support.

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    Kotoro Shinoto

    February 10, 2014 at 9:12 pm

    “didn’t think they’d be paraded around the internet and ridiculed” … more like didn’t think, full stop, end of sentence.

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    February 10, 2014 at 9:35 pm

    Even though, I’m not a religious person and people who tell me that I have to believe in something really make me frustrated, these answers made even more frustrated, as these are simple ridicules… Why do we always have to try to make this debate about “who sounds more stupid?” Why not just simply try to answer in a calm, non-mocking way? Yes, there are simple, school-level answers to most of those questions, so why not just give them?

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    John Tucker

    February 10, 2014 at 10:08 pm

    I would venture to guess, based on their obvious cognitive deficits, that you are correct. Then again, they did pose with these with the intent of putting them online to rebut scientists, so I see no problem with “correcting” them.

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    John Tucker

    February 10, 2014 at 10:13 pm

    They serve to highlight how absurd their responses are. If that leads to them being ridiculed, so be it. When a fools speaks loudly in public, people take note, and they SHOULD.

    Curious though, what evidence do you have for your “god and science must coexist” stance? Science is a process, god is a myth. I fail to see how mythology and a pursuit of reason are dependant upon one another.

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    Taylor Fisher

    February 11, 2014 at 2:52 am

    Secularists, creationists, evolutionists, atheists, religion…-ists can all agree that no matter these people’s personal beliefs, their grammar and spelling makes them look most ridiculous.

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    Just a guy

    February 11, 2014 at 3:55 am

    They didn’t ask questions they were making passive aggressive remarks in the form of questions further proving their “lalalalala not listening” lackadaisical attitudes. These equally absurd translations making fun of their statements are fully earned.

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    Dam Ham

    February 11, 2014 at 4:11 am

    did you happen to notice that these were all obviously photoshoped, This is not what was actually on the tablets the people were holding. Not the Creationist comments, nor the responses. Yes, they might have been said at some time, but these were photoshoped, and not very well. Or else every ones is writing in the same computer font, and the color on the tablets are really off as well.

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    Katrina DeWitt

    February 11, 2014 at 6:17 am

    I think these are pretty crass, and I was on Bill Nye’s side. You had one job, Internet. ONE JOB!

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    February 11, 2014 at 6:37 am

    First off, I want to say that I also believe it is possible for God and science to coexist, just not the way fundamentalist religious whackjobs scream it.

    What this gallery is illustrating is the scientific ignorance of the fundamentalists who deny any and all science that conflicts with their extreme beliefs, and do not even go through the most basic of research about buzzwords they hear about.

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    February 11, 2014 at 6:59 am

    They’re already being paraded around, by themselves, and ridiculed, by themselves, for carrying around those thoughts in their head

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    Cameron N

    February 11, 2014 at 8:07 am

    this is worthless ridicule and the counterarguments aren’t even valid. Wikipedia doesn’t know where or how the very first single-celled organism originated nor does any “non-creationist”

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    February 11, 2014 at 11:22 am

    Some chuckles here… But mostly if one enjoys laughing at others.

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    February 11, 2014 at 11:30 am

    The problem is that rather than deal with what was said, it puts words in their mouth…. Statements that they neither made or would make…. So that others can see them as foolish. Ironically, for a post that is supposed to advocate reason it’s full of logical errors, chiefly: “reduction to absurdity,” “creating straw men,” and “poisoning the well.”
    The end result is a few chuckles but no gain in understanding, knowledge or even persuasion.

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    February 11, 2014 at 11:35 am

    Sophia – an appropriate name for a wise response

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    February 11, 2014 at 2:46 pm

    “It seems to me absurd to doubt that a man may be an ardent theist and an evolutionist.”
    -Charles Darwin

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    February 11, 2014 at 4:40 pm

    I would just like any Evolutionist to explain the Cambrian Explosion in a logical way without saying the word coincidence.

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    February 11, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    Actually, the initial Creationist comments/questions were absolutely real. These are the questions these people choose to ask Bill Nye after the debate. The changed responses are, of course, photoshopped. It just goes to show you the ignorance that exists in 2014! This is why we don’t live like the Jetsons, jackasses!

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    Kadi Johnson

    February 11, 2014 at 5:42 pm

    “The presence of those seeking the truth is infinitely to be preferred to the presence of those who think they’ve found it.”
    ― Terry Pratchett, Monstrous Regiment: The Play

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    February 11, 2014 at 6:10 pm

    a great way to determine a baseline for the intelligence of the people who are posing these “questions” is to check the grammar use of diction and spelling of the statements made. Favorite one “he only one found has been lucy and there are only a few pieces of hundreds necessary for an ‘official proof’.”

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    February 11, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    You cannot, be definition, believe in a god and science. If you mean that you take the bible as a metaphor with which one ought live their life : then you don’t actually believe in god. You believe in the idea that there is something bigger than us. If you believe in god, then you must, by definition, take the bible literally, which absolutely contradicts almost everything science shows.
    This is the simple explanation. Anyone who claims to believe in god and science at the same time is someone who is experiencing massive cognitive dissonance within themselves, and to be honest : their opinion on both subjects is irrelevant since they cannot even master (nay! they don’t even posses!) the cognitive processes to identify alogical thoughts within themselves, let a lone someone else’s thoguhts.

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    John Tucker

    February 11, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Incorrect. The creationists’ placards are not computer generated and their handwriting does not match.

    Quite obviously, the ones that are quite appropriately ridiculing them are.

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    John Tucker

    February 11, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Sophie, we aren’t debating. We are pointing out how ridiculous the creationists are. If this were a debate, we would handle ourselves accordingly — and crush them with facts and logic. But there is nothing wrong with pointing out how absurd a group of people who are actively trying to subvert human progress are. In fact, it is our obligation to humankind.

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    John Tucker

    February 11, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    It might be possible for god and science to coexist, but we haven’t seen any evidence to support that. It is not possible to be religious and adhere to science, though. As religion, by definition, requires faith, which is the opposite of anything science does. And it should be pointed out, there is a difference between saying they CAN coexist, which you did, and saying they MUST coexist, which is what Kevin did.

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    February 11, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    wow i thought it’d be funny because creationists were saying ignorant things……… instead they’re not even actually addressing their questions just by passing it and putting slander in their “mouths”.

    disappointed that this humor is unintelligent (ironically the whole premise is that the creationists are supposedly the unintelligent ones in this article)

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    February 12, 2014 at 1:14 am

    It should be no surprise that we are ridiculed, I also believe in God and science. I think science is the language of God and they both exist harmoniously. However, God has already told us that those who believe in Him will be hated by those bound to this world.

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    Eddie Velez

    February 12, 2014 at 4:29 am

    Really? You’re acting all butthurt because someone is decided to make light of ridiculous questions that are not based in anything resembling fact? There is no debating dogma. That’s the very nature of religion. It is accepted as truth because God. That’s it. “Why do trees have rings?” “Because God.” Ken Ham was point blank in the debate. There is nothing that will change his mind regarding his absolute belief in the bible et al. That was and is the fundamental problem with this so-called “debate.” On one side are facts, evidence, testing. And on the other is blind faith. So spare me the crocodile tears when people who believe that humans and dinosaurs live at the same time get made fun of. Tough. Open a book that isn’t the bible.

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    Eddie Velez

    February 12, 2014 at 4:34 am

    One cannot “believe” in science. Science does not require faith. And this is not ridiculing people with whom there is a disagreement. It is ridiculing people who are asking questions that are, at best, uninformed. Sorry, but if your only answer to questions about evolution or science in general is “because God”, I’m not going to take you seriously.

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    February 12, 2014 at 4:56 am

    Except that nearly ALL of the questions stem from such an utter lack of a clue on how the scientific process works. Especially the monumental idiot that thinks “science” means “untested, unobservable and unrepeatable” or the one who thinks that “Creationism” and the bible are “Theories” instead of fairy tales. When someone tries to debate from a position of complete ignorance, they will come across as such an imbecile, and deserve the ridicule they get. THESE morons are why we need to teach real science, not fairy tale bible garbage, critical thinking, not compliance, and how to function in the modern, technological world, instead of a Bronze Age fantasy.
    (for the record, the reason I point out for special ridicule the imbecile that says “Science is, by definition a theory: not testable, observable nor repeatable..” is because being able to test, observe and repeat are the CORE of the scientific process. That particular idiot needs to NEVER breed or spread her special brand of stupid)

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    Jason Lane Johnson

    February 12, 2014 at 5:33 am

    I happen to highly disagree with your assessment. Are you familiar with Quantum mechanics and Quantum Entanglement? I am a firm believer in GOD and Physics. Religion is just simply a way in which mankind describes God, that does not mean that a Book is God. The Book itself was never meant to be translated Literally. Secondly, if you ponder the idea of infinite, which is what God is, there is no beginning and end. With this universe there is an inevitable end, but this is not the only universe in existence. I rather firmly believe that the universe we see is just a tiny fraction of the infinite whole. Truthfully the universe is unimaginable and even what we see is but a fraction of what is actually occurring, and God cannot be seen, only experienced in this universe.

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    February 12, 2014 at 6:59 am

    Eh, these people are embarrassing themselves. These translations are simply saying in clearer words what they are saying.

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    February 12, 2014 at 7:05 am

    Um… sorry you’re wrong. The ones on the right are completely photoshopped and that’s the point of this; they’re not supposed to look like they’re not photoshopped. But the ones on the left are absolutely the real “questions” these people wrote. All the ones on the left have different hand-writing and do not look photoshopped in any way.

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    February 12, 2014 at 7:34 am

    When I say stupid things I hope for people to correct me. If they do so with humor, even better. This is not alienating, this is “check me and I’ll check you, like were supposed to do”.

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    February 12, 2014 at 8:16 am

    So, other than mediocre entertainment, what was the purpose to make fun of people with foolery and mockery instead of truly rebuking their thoughts and questions with logical and scientific statements? Their’s were done in honesty and looking for answers. They received none and are now somewhat mocked on the WWW. Sad and uncalled for. That is where science fails us. Sure, it can give us very good tools like the automobile, microchips, jet planes, and slot machines, but it can’t teach each other how to treat each other.

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    February 12, 2014 at 9:56 am

    This was not ‘hilarious’… Essentially calling people with belief idiots is the number 1 reason why more people don’t have honest debates. Even independent of that, what was written was not even slightly funny.

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    February 12, 2014 at 2:04 pm

    “If you believe in god, then you must, by definition, take the bible literally…”

    Plenty of theologians would disagree with you. But, hey — you’re not here to make an actual point. You’re here to give your own atheism big-ups while you mock the “inferior” believers. Grow up, kid. You’re the Westboro Baptist Church of atheism.

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    February 12, 2014 at 2:11 pm

    Explain why you have to take the Bible literally to believe in God. I think that’s a pretty narrow view of a creationist perspective. Not to mention you assume that all creationists are Christian. Every faith has there own version as to the beginning of existence. I think by trying to undermine a person’s thought process just because they have a dangerous Idea like believing in God and science admits that they themselves have discomfort with drawing too close to the concept of a deity. I think science can explain the how of existence but I’ll leave it to something else to explain the why.

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    February 12, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    “We get no further by perpetuating the cycle of ridicule.”

    Nonsense, I get a good chuckle, and perhaps one of these silly people will actually think before they write next time.

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    February 12, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    You noticed that? Wow, you are sharp!

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    Avocado Punk

    February 12, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    Good luck with explaining that to anyone who believes in the Bible as the complete truth.

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    February 12, 2014 at 5:32 pm

    the interesting thing about this exercise is the replies dont really debunk anything these people believe…its just childish mocking…gee how clever. As an atheist its somewhat troubling that this seems to also illustrate that many atheists are not only jackasses but they are not better people, certainty not more compassionate or understanding…its also interesting that christians seem to be the easy target even though they are not the worst offenders who believe in the unproven, why not go after Muslims, or wiccans, or Satanists, or Hindus, or anti-vaccine zealots, or anti-fracking morons, or anti-e cigarette zealots, or, abortionist idiots who think life begins at birth, or the aliens exist crowd (no proof they do what so ever, but unsurprisingly even many scientists think they exist)..etc etc…but cowardess aparently is not a characteristic atheists shy away from.
    my advice: grow up.

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    Joseph Urban

    February 12, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    We need to focus more on how we’re wired. Clearly, we are either wired for a conservative or progressive propensity. Logic and information and sarcasm doesn’t sway opinions in this context. We need to understand why we hold onto our world views so strongly. In my opinion, the conservative viewpoint is a hold-over from our primitive origins. Rational thought and, eventually, science were improvements over our primitive faculties. And, the above images are f**ing hilarious.

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    Thundal Archsys (@ThundalArchsys)

    February 12, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    If you believe in logic and evidence-based belief, you cannot soundly believe in a god for which there is no evidence. Your magical thinking is actually a show of developmental problems, and influencing you to not pass on your nuttery to your children (and harm them in turn) is kinda the point…

    But sure, whatever, believe what you want, peace and love and all that…

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    adriene smith

    February 12, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    REMATCH WITH A WORTHY ADVERSARY! IF ONLY BILLY GRAHAM WAS’NT 100, there is a God and there is a Galapagos Island !

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    February 12, 2014 at 7:59 pm

    Whoever said that the only way to believe in God is to take the bible literally? Even the Catholic Church, for all its rules and dogma, leave the context of “truth” in the bible as merely “inspired,” not fact. This leaves the very distinct possiblity of reading the bible in a metaphorical manner, so someone, as Matt above points out, can cincide believing in God while being able to use the empirical nature of science…. Besides, I think that whichever Council (Trent? Niece?) compiled what would be in “The” Bible made sure to include Gospels of Jesus telling parables to prove a point. It’s as though there’s even built-in instructions that can suggest and support the idea that reading the Bible or Scriptures metaphorically might be a way to go.

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    February 12, 2014 at 8:03 pm

    If God doesn’t exist and science is so definite, explain the platypus.

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    lisa h

    February 12, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    Agreed. Most athiests I know are jerks and love to insult and ridicule anyone who disagrees with them.

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    February 12, 2014 at 11:52 pm

    I can’t believe that there are still people, even anti-evolution people, that think evolution says we came from modern apes. No one on the science side that I’m aware of has claimed this, and it confirms that people don’t know what they are talking about when they try to use it to dispute evolution.

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    February 13, 2014 at 2:50 am

    I’ll never understand how people will applaud a parent shaming a child on the internet for doing something “stupid” like sending sexts but shamming a full grown adult is frowned upon. Actions have consequences. If someone asks a stupid question cause they genuinely want to hear an answer I’m happy to help. If they do it just to be snarky like they are making some real clever point then they deserve to have their ignorance pointed out.

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    Joe Bajink

    February 13, 2014 at 3:09 am

    Snarky, sophomoric, I wasted time being here.

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    Joe Bajink

    February 13, 2014 at 3:12 am

    …not to mention capitalization and punctuation!

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    February 13, 2014 at 3:35 am

    Please spell check before your next rant. Also the bible is a collection of parables and metaphors not a history book. Please, if you are going to make blanket statements, think them through a little more. You are clearly on the extreme opposite spectrum from the people you are trying to denegrate, which makes your opinion irrelevant. P.s. I think you need to research what cognitive dissonance means and pick up a dsm 5 before you diagnose people. Finally, I believe in evolution, so don’t think my reply is just because I am some Bible thumper.

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    Cory J

    February 13, 2014 at 5:40 am

    Unless your IQ is above 160, I’m smarter than you. I love science, and believe in a creator

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    February 13, 2014 at 6:31 am

    The concept of God is not limited to a “traditional” judeochristian construction. I know that’s the first thing one often thinks of, but you cannot force your definition and understanding of the term “God” onto someone else’s beliefs. The experience of “God,” whatever that means to an individual, has the potential to be highly personal.

    TL;DR just because you think “God” means one thing doesn’t mean everyone else conceptualizes “God” the same way.

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    Oscar Barda

    February 13, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    If I come from french ancestry, how come there are still french people around mum ?

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    February 13, 2014 at 8:20 pm

    I am most bothered by the misuse of “their” instead of “there” in #8 and #11. (Note: THIS IS GRAMMAR HUMOUR)

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    Ruh Roh Shaggy

    February 13, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    Saying “by definition” after a subjective comment, does not make it objective truth.
    Mendel, the “father of genetics” was an Abbott of a monastery. Einstein himself said, “science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind.”

    The two keep each other honest, it is in their extremes that brings fallacy

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    Andrew Z

    February 13, 2014 at 10:58 pm

    3 years ago we didn’t know there was seasonal liquid water on mars
    22 years ago we didn’t know there were planets outside our solar system
    80 years ago we didn’t know atoms could be split

    Not knowing now doesn’t mean we won’t ever know. Be careful you don’t fall into logical fallacies. Arguing a God of the gaps does no respect for either discipline.

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    February 14, 2014 at 12:59 am

    JC- If that were the definition of Christianity then there wouldn’t be so many different factions. i am a christian and i believe in science. they are not exclusive. you should look up the document called Social Principles of the United Methodist Church. It goes over the Methodists stance on all major social issues and how we believe that the bible is a tool to help us understand gods plan, but that since god also gave us a mind to understand science and ethics that we must also use these to help understand the world and universe that he made. Also, as to your comment that our opinions are irrelevant since apparently we cannot understand our own thoughts let alone the thoughts of others, are you not also in that category, seeing as you cannot understand our thought process and just assume that we are all the same? that you, not being christian, claim to know what the exact definition of being a christian is? I look at every situation as best i can through others eyes as well as min before i make a decision. i try as best as anyone to accept others as they are. i take “Love thy Neighbor as thy self” very seriously. These pictures are just people ridiculing others because they don’t understand them. the same mindset is what brought the world racism and Holocausts. there are 41,000 Christian denominations and your trying to say there is ONE definition for all of them? as Methodists we are encouraged to approach faith both spiritually and logically. Look up the Social Principles, read them, and then you would at least partially understand ONE of the 41,000 denominations of Christianity. i accept that you do not have a faith. that is perfectly fine. what is not fine is showing your fellow man disrespect and belittling them when you do not understand them. please speak more respectfully in the future. thank you.

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    Jakob Roth

    February 14, 2014 at 11:16 am

    Why do you have to take the bible literally to believe in some kind of god? doesnt make sense

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    February 14, 2014 at 2:39 pm

    This is just down right rude and mean. Actually, this is bullying. Would you like your children to be bullied like this? How are we supposed to teach children not to bully if we, as adults, can’t act like mature adults and not make crass comments on peoples opinions? I don’t even care what side you’re on. This is not right.

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    February 15, 2014 at 8:13 am

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    February 15, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    I’m not as concerned about HOW we came into existence – that is science’s job. I am wondering why… God, no reason, higher being, e.t., why?

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    February 15, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    John…. You’re quite correct. The responses are not debating. They are simply attempts at mocking people you disagree with – not only their ideas but their character, intelligence, honesty, etc. A 101 class in debate or rhetoric, as Sophia points out, would teach how studies in persuasion have shown how ineffective this method is in convincing others.
    Making assumptions about ones character, motives, even education based on one sentence is strikingly illogical – Ironic since many of those posting seem to value logic so highly.

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    February 16, 2014 at 3:37 am

    “If you believe in logic and evidence-based belief, you cannot soundly believe in a god for which there is no evidence.”

    Many famous scientists were firm believers in god. Not necessarily the Christian idea of god, but some sort of creator. What you said is quite the statement when you are calling out the likes of Einstein and Isaac Newton.

    Einstein said “I want to know how God created this world. I am not interested in this or that phenomenon, in the spectrum of this or that element. I want to know His thoughts; the rest are details.”

    Newton said “Christ comes as a thief in the night, & it is not for us to know the times & seasons which God hath put into his own breast”.

    The odd thing is that every Christian that I know cites experience and not scientific evidence as the reason for their belief. Science comments on what is observable. Everyone knows God is not. How is it that so many “scientists” seem to think that their observations of this world prove something about a being that can’t be observed.

    When god transforms a persons life, that is his evidence. You could say that billions of people that claim religious experiences are just lying, or maybe take a more open minded (and more logical) view on it.

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    February 17, 2014 at 7:04 am

    I completely agree with you, and am happy to discover there are people who are able to see beyond such divisions. I wish people would humble themselves, and realize we will not be able to understand everything or have a definite answer. We are inside this system, whatever God there is lies outside this system. Whether we fall pray to science or religion we will not get a definite answer in this life time. We need to search within ourselves and focus on what we are able to understand and achieve. We will learn more through self growth than choosing sides.

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    February 17, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    her is my take on creation vs evolution…..I believe the science of evolution and the biblical version of creation is one and the same….its all a matter of perspective….the bible speaks of the 7 days of creation, on the first day God created…..etc….however, lets ask the question “who determined how long a ‘day’ was?” the bible has been translated so many times throughout history with many words that didn’t have an equivalent in the language into which it was being translated, so substitutions were made….the “first”, or “second” or “third” or “any” of the seven days could have each taken millions of years, which science has explained. The bible is written by “man” in a context that “man” understands…..”inspired” by God with “words” that man can relate to….lets face it…..most of us are “laymen” and need the simpler explanations……but I guess….neither scientists or believers will look at my version with open eyes or agree to the possibility, God forbid that either one is wrong…or right………or that both are…its human nature to let “pride goeth before a fall”….;)

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    February 17, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    also…..lets also entertain the concept that when a scientific discovery is publicised, usually the focus is on the discovery but the how they got to it is not usually prooted…no one knows how many steps each fact of creation took to get to the final thing….the bible would be a very looooooong book…so when it says “god created the heavens and the earth…or…and God created man… doesn’t list the process it took…just the final product!

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    February 17, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    sorry for the typos….not “prooted” lol….but “publicised”

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    February 17, 2014 at 2:30 pm

    What I would like to query back to these people is, if they believe that God created this planet–exactly which “God” would that be? Since they all believe that their God is the ONLY God, then they have to say that their God created everything, except that they don’t all believe in the same God, nor do they believe that any Gods existed before their God. So, I ask, which God created the Earth?

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    February 17, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    I feel like all the people who believe in creationism should do a thorough study on the history of Christianity in comparison to other “religions” and mythologies like Islam and Greek mythology. Once you realize that your religion is no different from the rest, you’d see that most of the stuff from the sacred book, including the story of creationism, is nothing but storytelling. Stories taken out of context, terribly translated and taken too literally.

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    February 18, 2014 at 3:41 am

    Facts are facts, but human interpretation of them are fallible. Why do evolutionary scientists insist that because they are scientists, they have the truth when they have been wrong so many times? Bill Nye tried to debunk the Bible saying it was written before many “scientific” discoveries were made, so it can’t be correct. The same logic would then apply to Darwin because his book, Origin of Species (1859) was written before the scientific discovery of genetics, Versuche über Pflanzenhybriden (1866), by Mendel. I wonder where we would be today, if “scientists” had used the facts presented by Mendel and looked for the genes that caused diseases, instead of ignoring it for decades and wasting time on searching for a missing link based on Darwin’s now obsolete speculations.

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    February 18, 2014 at 4:51 am

    Ask Einstein, he was a believer, albeit not in a personal God and a wee tad bit smarter than you! Cheers

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    February 18, 2014 at 5:00 am

    So you are calling Einstein a moron; let me ask you, was he also completely ignorant?Maybe you are completely arrogant and ignorant to boot! Cheers

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    February 18, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Then why bingbong?

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    Mary B. (

    February 19, 2014 at 12:53 am

    So instead of answering these questions respectfully, it was opted to make fun of them. Mature move.

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    February 19, 2014 at 2:35 am

    I think there is a place for Religion and science, however as much as anyone may argue the fact of the matter is that everything didn’t come from nothing. Therefore there must be some form of a higher power. Even if you argue the big bang (which I do believe) where did that come from? Ok that came from something, but where did that come from? You see at some point it has to be some form of creation. But Hooray for both Religion and science!

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    February 19, 2014 at 2:39 am

    ummmm actually that’s wrong. There are many Christians, such as myself who do not take everything literally (mainly from the old testament). But if you see my other comment about how at some point the big bang had to come from something. Ok, show me what that came from, well where did that thing come from? You see at some point, something had to be “created.” So the Bible and Science can obviously coexist. This is coming from a Christian scientist BTW.

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    February 25, 2014 at 1:11 am

    so silly…. take a look at these sites to see the number of prize winning scientists and/or the percentage of scientists that are believers.

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    February 25, 2014 at 1:17 am

    again, the idea that that science and religion are at odds is rejected both by the majority of of scientists and by some the best in the field throughout history: see

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    February 25, 2014 at 3:14 am

    Why is the assumption automatically that when one says “God and science can coexist” one means the God described in the Judeo-Christian Bible?

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    Big Black Dog

    March 1, 2014 at 2:10 am

    That would be funny were it not so sad. Unless the funny little photoshoppers admit they sin, and therefore have separated themselves from God, and trust Christ’s spilled blood on the cross as their only option to be seen as righteous in God’s eyes, because Christ was the only truly righteous man who ever lived. He exchanged His righteousness for our sins. He’s done all the work. If you end up separated from God for eternity in a place which was not made for humans, but rebellious angels, He didn’t send you there. You chose not to be with Him. You chose to scoff at and ridicule there is even the slightest possibility of a Divine Creator.

    Odd, for scientific minded people, who know we practically know nothing about our universe. We’ve just started to scratch the surface. For that matter, the same can be said of ocean life. A 14 year old prodigy has used mathematics to disprove Einstein’s Theory of Relativity. His IQ is 160 or 180, I can’t remember which. He wouldn’t reveal his complete findings “until it’s published” he said.

    I was listening to a man with an IQ of 200 last night, which is slightly higher than Newton’s estimated IQ, who has also developed theories which dispute what we think we know. He said straight up he’s convinced there is a Heaven and a Creator. If you believe the universe is infinite, then there are infinite possibilities, so there is no way you can dismiss something science hasn’t proven yet as “there’s no way.” If you believe the universe is finite, that means there is something out there besides our universe. Either more universes or infinite space. For that matter, it’s possible there are infinite universes. We don’t know.

    But I can tell you this, while science insisted the earth was flat, the Bible clearly stated it is a circle (there was no word for sphere in the Hebrew language at that time). I can also tell you, long before science figured it out, the Bible tells us the earth is suspended in space. The Bible mentions the stars “singing”. We have only fairly recently realized they all make unique sounds. Jesus was quoted as saying if mankind didn’t worship God, the rocks would praise Him. We now know that rocks put out a noise we can’t pick up with our ears alone. The Bible speaks of the cycle of water, long before science understood it. I think we can all agree that the universe is expanding, that’s been proven. The Bible says God “stretched out the heavens”. I could go on all night, but no scientific evidence I can provide will change your minds. For this is not a matter of intellect. This is a matter of spiritual concern. Unless you open your mind to that, well, I’m deeply discouraged by your choice to reject God. Because in a hundred years, you’re gonna be in a mess so horrendous you cannot begin to imagine it.

    You know, there’s another thing I find quite interesting about those who say there is no divine being. That’s cool, I’ll totally still love you and hang out with you, as long as you’re not antagonistic concerning the subject. Or any subject. In other words, you be cool to me, I’ll be cool to you. I have atheist friends. But if you REALLY believe God is a fairy tale, why even discuss the issue? I can tell you with 100% certainty that if someone started telling me they were convinced Santa, the Easter Bunny, the Tooth Fairy and Superman are all real and they talk with them and let them guide their lives, I wouldn’t debate about it. I would simply consider the fact that this person has a mental health issue, be kind to them and go on about my day. So why do you even debate the subject? You see us as mentally ill or people of very low intelligence. And you know you’re not changing our minds. So it begs the question: Who are you REALLY trying to convince? Think on that a while.

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    Big Black Dog

    March 1, 2014 at 10:48 am

    You call Hay a fool. I doubt he’s crying too much. The Bible says “the man who says there is no God is a fool.”

    I’d much rather be called a fool by you. You have absolutely no impact on my life whatsoever. God sustains me. And much, much, much more.

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    Big Black Dog

    March 1, 2014 at 10:54 am

    Funny thing about that island on which most every evolutionist claims as their cornerstone. There never was any evidence whatsoever discovered indicating one species involved into something completely different. So the birds’ beaks changed. That’s adaptation, not evolution.

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    Big Black Dog

    March 1, 2014 at 10:57 am

    Do you have any proof that it’s false?

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    Big Black Dog

    March 1, 2014 at 11:03 am

    That’s absolutely nonsense. The Bible pointed out plenty of scientific fact long, long, long before man discovered it. God digs science. He created it. And I promise you He knows a whole helluva lot more than anyone running around on this old rock. Where is your proof of evolution? Give me one instance of one species evolving into another. And why in the world hasn’t anyone found that elusive missing link, yet?

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    Big Black Dog

    March 1, 2014 at 11:07 am

    “I am the Way, the Truth and the Life. No one comes to the Father but by Me.” Jesus Christ

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    March 22, 2014 at 10:26 am

    You can believe in pink elephants if you want, but as with supernatural beings there is no evidence to support such a claim. None.
    Religious people need to give up the idea that spirituality provides any sort of reliable knowledge. Religion is more like art or music – a fictional creation of humans to help them ease the pain of this world.
    When it comes to explanation, testing, and the epistemological basis of producing knowledge – and that means a collection of established facts – religions needs to learn that once the Enlightenment hit, they needed to stfu about anything that is best suited to scientific explanation.

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    Janna Sexton

    March 22, 2014 at 3:46 pm

    Love the tone! And it gets better/more aggravated with the stupidity as the “retaliations” continue. Too funny!!!

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    Janna Sexton

    March 22, 2014 at 3:54 pm

    It is, however, a shame that people didn’t read the two paragraphs before the pictures and failed to realize a group called The Science of Sarcasm responded to the questions creationists posed. All writing has a purpose–this was to humor. If you’re feeling pissy after reading the scientific responses, it’s probably because you were both defeated and embarrassed in a pictorial debate.

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    March 22, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Wrong…these are the people who are actively working to change the laws to allow the nonsense of creation to be taught in schools. They must be ridiculed and marginalized if we have any hope of being a productive and competitive nation. Practice your religion to your hearts desire. The SECOND you act to change the law regarding my child’s education being in line with your religion…you’re going to have one heck of a fight on your hands.

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    March 22, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    You DON’T have to take the Bible literally to believe in God. Scientists are discovering the laws of the universe that God created. I applaud them for it. I support what they do and I’m fascinated by it. I don’t support religious people who take the message of love that should be coming from the Bible and twist it into a message of hate and ignorance. Most atheists are railing against religious people who are hateful, not the people who are loving, tolerant, curious and don’t think they have it all figured out. If they sought out the people who practice love and acceptance, then maybe they’d have a different opinion of religious people. And maybe we could get along better.

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    March 23, 2014 at 5:37 am

    This is exactly what Bill was speaking about, ignorant comments are constantly made without being researched. A simple minded fool would wikipedia “single-celled organism” but a smart one would read the other names for “single-celled organism” and see if wikipedia had it under there. Oh behold. How valid is your statement now?

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    March 23, 2014 at 5:43 am

    There are many documentaries, please view them and you will see they have three ‘theories’ as to what happened. If you can tell me what those three theories are and also explain to me why those theories cannot be possible, there will be no need for further discussion.

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    March 23, 2014 at 5:56 am

    “I am as real as they say, as you read this quote, you will know I am real, because I said so. If you don’t believe me, I have more books about me than God himself, go read one, oh if it doesn’t sound true, it’s because it’s not to be taken literally, it’s just a metaphor. Oh you will never see me though also, the only way for me to live is in people believing blindly in me. I will leave no proof of my existence because life is a test of faith, and if you fail my test of faith you will be tortured for eternity. I’m not mean, I just hate people who don’t follow my orders.”

    – Dracula

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:03 am

    Why would you answer any of those questions, when the answer is on the internet and libraries and museums? One of them doesn’t even understand that gravity is a theory yet I am 100% sure he believes in gravity. So do you understand what it means to ask a question when the answer is accessible to the public? Ignorance. It is unintelligent to respond with the answers they could easily be found out. Creationists are not all ignorant, but 21 out of the 22 people on this page are. He even stated when there was a proper question asked and he knew the answer wouldn’t be that easy to find so he put that she wasn’t ignorant and actually had a real question. Check it over. Understand it and remove yourself from such public places where a fool is only a fool when they speak out loud.

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    Pamela Mann Pastura

    March 23, 2014 at 6:06 am

    I totally agree Kevin.

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:11 am

    How ignorant can you be? “Does metamorphosis help evolution?” Do you see what he wrote about her? “I may in fact be the only person here who asked an honest question” He did not at all degrade her in any way or form, do you understand why? The information she seeks is not easy to find, the research might not be that accessible but the best part is that she had a real question that might not be answered so easily. Now look at this guy “if evolution is a theory (like creationism or the bible) then why is evolution taught as fact” Gravity is a theory, does this guy believe in gravity? You act as if it is sciences fault for the worlds ignorance. People like you make this world a terrible place to live in.

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:20 am

    First of all, it is because of people like you that creationists are mocked. At least half the creationists are ignorant and ask questions that are taught to children. Do you believe in gravity? Did you know gravity is a theory? Why is that theory taken as fact? Look at the statement the guy wrote in one of the pictures, evolution is a theory but why is it taught as fact? Also why is creationism not taught as fact? There’s a simple reason all creationists ignore. There is no proof. How can you teach something that has no proof, and I really hate how creationists always go to the bible as their defense especially when it is to not be taken “literally”. Use real examples of evidence that can scientifically be explained. Science is the fundamental study of everything. Do not assume it only has to deal with mechanical technology. Biology is a science, you knew that right?

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:25 am

    So what’s not an adaptation? The answer: a lot of things. One example is vestigial structures. A vestigial structure is a feature that was an adaptation for the organism’s ancestor, but that evolved to be non-functional because the organism’s environment changed.

    Fish species that live in completely dark caves have vestigial, non-functional eyes. When their sighted ancestors ended up living in caves, there was no longer any natural selection that maintained the function of the fishes’ eyes. So, fish with better sight no longer out-competed fish with worse sight. Today, these fish still have eyes—but they are not functional and are not an adaptation; they are just the by-products of the fishes’ evolutionary history.

    Please explain to me why they still had eyes that don’t function? Wouldn’t they just adapt and grow night vision?

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:30 am

    Was it right for those people to ask questions they can find the answer to easily in science text books in high school instead of trying to start a debate with scientists who have better things to do than deal with people who won’t even look at a book before asking questions? There was one question in there that was responded to positively. Please find it and understand that if they asked the right questions that they couldn’t find the answer to, science would be more than welcome to dive into it. Ignorance is not acceptable. Please teach your children better and help them study through research and be knowledged so they don’t get ridiculed asking things like why is evolution taught as fact, which has a simple response, gravity is a theory. Why is gravity taught? Please stop being ignorant.

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:33 am

    Oh also, please do more research upon the amount of people christianity has killed. I’ll even be nice and give you a link, you can search if these statements are true. Enjoy 🙂

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:45 am

    Please find out what a day is, everything else will not be accepted until you understand why a day is 24.25 hours long. This is why creationists get mocked. They make statements without doing research. *not all creationists of course. Like the one out twenty two people with those pictures above.

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:49 am

    That is the problem with a lot of creationists, they don’t understand science. Science is meant to be debunked, the world of science believes nothing but proof. If there is proof of a god, we will gladly throw down our research and try not to burn in hell. There is always science that will be proved wrong, that’s the best part, because you move closer towards the right answer. That’s all science is, finding the right answer.

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:53 am

    So instead of asking questions that can’t be found in a book, document, research, and even online articles, they asked silly questions and wasted people’s time since all of the information is publically accessible. Mature move.

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    March 23, 2014 at 7:04 am

    I believe in whoever said that there are infinite possibilities out there, such as multiple universes, but if he believes that there could be a god without a shred of proof, then vampires can exist too, but you are right, why do people even bother trying to debate and argue with creationists? Because they want to teach it to our children in public schools, stick to your schools and your churches and leave us the heck alone. Unless you have proof though, once you have that, I promise you the world will change it’s tune. Until then, please, please stay away from our children. It’s like saying my son is dying from cancer, but God will take care of him, why do we need doctors? Please teach your kid to be a preacher so we have less doctors, you amazing, amazing person you!

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    Grandma Barb

    March 23, 2014 at 7:05 am

    I used to think that God created science. But then one day I woke up and realized that I could not prove God existed using science. Therefore, science cannot be dependent on something that science cannot prove. If it can’t be proven, it is just a theory. So, science must stand alone. People invented God.

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    TC Morris

    March 23, 2014 at 11:12 am

    There is always room for more ridicule.

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    Rebecca Teagan Gherity

    March 23, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    This whole comment section illustrates why more wars have been fought over religion than all other reasons on this planet. No wonder we’re moving towards extinction. We’ve allowed our common sense and logic to be interrupted by emotion, hate, and intentional ignorance.

    A curse on both your houses, the blind creationists and their hecklers. Goes the same for those defending either side.

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    March 23, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    Rubes deserve to be ridiculed. Then maybe people will learn for themselves and stop being Rubes.

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    March 23, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    “Science lovers” AKA – Atheists. It’s funny how the majority of atheists I know have almost no education in science whatsoever. Being an atheist doesn’t make you a “science lover” if you don’t actually know how the world works. It just makes you a misinformed, uneducated disciple.

    Real scientists wouldn’t reduce themselves to this level of pettiness, so I think it’s pretty obvious who these “science lovers” are.

    -a Christian and electrical engineering major

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    Mike De Fleuriot

    March 24, 2014 at 6:49 am

    No do not stop the ridicule, continue to expose the nonsense ideas that these people hold. Make it expensive socially to have such ideas, force them to rethink their positions.

    Not doing so, is allowing ignorance to continue, on to children who will grow into dumbass adults who will infect their children, unto the seventh generation. (see I do bible as well)

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    Sipos Paul

    March 26, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Great. Take a bunch of people who believe in God and ask them to write questions about science, and then mock them. Explain to me why (all) evolutionists believe all creationists fail to understand science, when in average both parts don’t understand anything at all. I mean the real science lovers aren’t even here. Not to mention the ones who just appreciate science by linking it somehow to their thought.
    It’s awful that so many people believe they really understand science just because they accept evolution and the whole lot, The same applies to creationists.

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    Sipos Paul

    March 31, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    Yet, you have so many proof of real science in the Bible, hundreds, thousands of years even, before any real discoveries have been made by real scientists (not the pretenders). Explain this to me. — By the way. Not an average christian here, so please refer to me as an observer, like you.

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    Stephen Nichols

    April 5, 2014 at 12:50 pm

    Alright, here we go then…

    These people aren’t idiots but they are passive and that’s far worse.

    A lot has been said here about science and religion getting along. Most of it very passive-aggressive, generally to the tune of ‘we believers are smarter than you so shut up.’ Irony has never been so thick.

    The arguments here come in two types: ‘Cause smarter people then you do, therefore you are wrong’ and ‘ The bible’.

    First; Albert Einstein believed in god, therefore you should too. Einstein was a great mathematician. He could out math me better than anybody. But he wasn’t flawless. I’m just guessing I think he was wrong once. Rumor has it he left the cap off his toothpaste tube. Albert Einstein did believe in A god. He never bothered to show there was any god, he was busy proving the universe was bigger than us. Is that answer snarky? Sure, but “Because Einstein did, you should too” really doesn’t deserve much more than snark.

    The same is true of any excuse to shame non-believers with the Other Scientists Believe meme. Scientists are human, they fall prey to the same desires, needs, hopes and dreams as any other person. Because someone is gifted with scientific reasoning in one field does not guarantee understanding in all fields. Newton, if you really knew anything about him instead of parroting what you’ve been told, was a superb mathematician who not only believed in The God but alchemy, numerology and mysticism. Does anyone demand I see a numerologist every Sunday based on Newton being smarter than me? Asserting this position is ridiculous. It is not proof of god. Lumping all scientists who believe in something spiritual, without qualifying the why or what, into an argument which supports your position is disingenuous.

    Second; You can not support the existence of god with the book asserting the existence of god. If there is no god, the bible is entirely false. Even if true, you can not interpret the book in your own way, especially if you insist on quoting the book. The book says these are the words of the one, true god. No where does it allow fudging. Scholars say you can fudge because they like to fudge. The good parts are useful, the bad parts are ignorable. Except they’re not. Find one example of god saying ‘eh, that’s just my opinion, whatevs’. God killed people for fudging. The fundamentalists are right on this count. Their ugliness is what the bible is about, I know you don’t agree but your interpretation of the book is what’s wrong. As a human being you find what you want to find. We like to be loved, its the cornerstone of any bad relationship. Also, conflating all religions does not prove a god or any gods. Feelings of spirituality across multiple cultures is more human experience than proof of god. I feel a sense of grandeur when considering the natural world and all the wonder in it, no god necessary.

    So no, because you say so is not a reason to believe. Nor should I believe because it makes you uncomfortable that I do not. And it does not make you or anybody deserving of respect because you/they believe. Stupid is as stupid does, that’s not my fault.

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    April 5, 2014 at 5:26 pm

    WIthout the Catholic Church, the pursuit of Science would have be severely hampered throughout history. Thomas Linacre and Gregor Mendel immediately come to mind as great contributors to scientific study and advancement. When did generic ‘Christian’ become synonymous with this idea that The Holy Bible must be taken as a literal document?

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    April 13, 2014 at 10:03 pm

    Mixing mythology with proven reality is simple illogical.

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    Big Black Dog

    April 14, 2014 at 5:12 am

    @TC, I could say the same thing about evolutionists and scientists. Most don’t understand the Bible so they automatically discount it. Not a very scientific approach, I’d conclude.

    I just so happen to live near a NASA facility. It’s a pretty big and important one. I know several scientists out there who scoff at evolution. They’re also devout believers.

    As a matter of fact, a rudimentary study and knowledge of a human cell disproves evolution altogether.

    Now, I’m assuming you believe we all evolved from a single cell amoeba. If not, please enlighten me. I do not want to make assumptions about your beliefs.

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    Big Black Dog

    April 14, 2014 at 5:40 am

    Very interesting, your use of the word “fools”. David wrote in Psalms, “The fool has said in his heart there is no God.” Even the pagans of that age had enough common sense to acknowledge the existence of a higher being or beings.

    This ol’ universe is mighty complex, as I’m sure you’ll agree. But it runs perfectly, like a well oiled machine. It’s really fun for boys because stuff crashes and blows up and junk. It’s proof positive God has male attributes. Of course, the full moon appearing once a month and making half the population act crazy as hell is proof He also has feminine attributes.

    I’m all about some Big Bang theory….at it’s very core. I can easily the beginning going down like that. God packs a lot of energy in His words. More than enough to create a universe, I can assure you. Not to mention, the Bible mentions in several places that the universe is expanding. Science finally caught up to that one as more than a theory with the help of the Hubble.

    For everything to come from nothing with no Designer and end up as it is, especially earth and all that it contains. Not to mention the perfect orbit. That would be akin to a random explosion happening in an auto factory and producing a Chopard 201 carat watch. You could sure as hell impress your girlfriend with that. But, I don’t think I’d hold out til the last minute to get her birthday gift.

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    April 15, 2014 at 12:22 am

    I think we are all missing the big picture here. Specifically, the number of times “their” is misused in these questions. #grammarFTW

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    April 15, 2014 at 1:50 am

    I feel you have a mental health issue, but I wish you the best, and I will go on with my day.

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    April 15, 2014 at 7:43 pm

    Stephen, I think you misconstrue their intentions. First, they are not saying that they are smarter. They are responding to the implications of the article. There is no reason to assume any other motive. This is the logical one. Second, Einstein did claim the Judeo-Christian God. He also referenced Jesus as a person he was interested in.

    Lastly, and more to the point, no one is saying for you to believe because they say so. That’s the straw man you built. They offered their opinions. You took it farther.

    Perhaps a small return to the top and reading through the posts again will help you understand that they were responding to the fallacies in the post.

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    April 16, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    Too much hate. I really don’t see any of these “scientists” convincing me that faith in a GOD is wrong by making fun of ignorant people. I mean, seriously, these people “translating” their statements are just being pompous and self-serving. At least ol’ Bill tried to convince and not accuse. Besides, the number of people who teach high school biology aren’t even qualified to teach science or math. BTW, gravity is a law, not a theory.

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    April 18, 2014 at 3:36 am

    Notice how the creationists can’t even use the proper “there” “their” or “they’re.” You can’t question fact-based science with any sort of credability if you don’t even have an elementary level understanding of the English language. Fools.

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    April 21, 2014 at 12:33 am

    Argh! The last one really gets me going…..humans didn’t come from monkeys, humans share common ancestors with monkeys. Big difference!

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    Wes De Vries

    April 22, 2014 at 5:58 am

    Argh! Scientists believe humans share a common ancestor with modern African apes, like gorillas and chimpanzees that existed 5 to 8 million ago! ~ Excerpt from PBS’s Evolution library! And you know what, scientists still have not one strand of proof; yet they believe! Sounds familiar!

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    Nurtaz Nurtz

    May 3, 2014 at 5:17 am

    The existence of French people is an unproven theory. Many well-respected scientists believe there never have been any French people. Others believe that French people are only created as it becomes necessary for good, English speaking people to deal with them, and they fall out of existence immediately following that occasion.

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    May 22, 2014 at 2:55 am

    I’ve looked high and low and have never found God weighing in on any of these discussions. Seriously, it’s not like it’s hard to create a user account. Set human-created, self-serving expressions like “God’s word is in the Book” or “He speaks to me through the Holy Spirit” or “God proves Himself through faith” aside and let the Almighty speak on His own behalf. Seriously, without the circular “faith” thing that man created to justify belief, where the hell is God? And if you have an answer that didn’t originate at some point from a human being, please be responsible enough to write which of the thousands of God variants is the one (or ones) on whose behalf you speak.

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    You never know (@kittiesman12)

    May 24, 2014 at 5:17 am

    Here’s my problem with the bible. “Leviticus says gay marriage is wrong!”

    Me: “It also says having your period, eating shellfish and cutting your shape into a round style is a sin.”

    Christian idiot: “Those other things don’t matter!”

    Me: “Please die.”

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    May 24, 2014 at 5:53 am

    i find this extremely patronizing and pretty pointless. People who enjoy convincing other people there is no god are really boring.

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    Jim Ryder

    May 24, 2014 at 9:09 am

    You are god, man. Where is god – is a meaningless question…. 😀

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    Dave LeFevre

    May 24, 2014 at 2:35 pm

    We’re going to devolve into a 3rd-world economy that can’t move forward because of the superstitions that the corporate class are whipping up against science. It will prop up these corporate bozos in the short term, but ignorance leads to poverty of all types.

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    Jan Wied Møller

    May 24, 2014 at 4:58 pm

    What strikes me, personally, as the scariest observation I’ve made when people are debating “god vs. science” is that there doesn’t seem to be anyone who has taken the time do sit down and remark that Religion is based on emotion/feeling (a sense of belonging) and science is based on observation and repetition (correct untill proven wrong)… and as such the two can never be compared or argued to be more correct than the other. So how about the religious shut their traps, and go pray in their holy buildings (made possible by science) and the scientists go focus their energy on something important, like, say, curing cancer/eliminating world hunger/an iphone that can hold power for more than 8 hours?

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    May 24, 2014 at 5:36 pm

    Too bad we do not have a law that could put people like you in jail! If you take someones image and change their words that is wrong it’s a form of bullying. This country was founded on religious freedom. Sorry if you don’t like it but there it is. Now please read just a little about the things that went on in Germany oh say 1936 to 39 they burned books they told people normal people how to believe. So then they tried to stamp out not only the Jews but homosexuals and a lot more. So that their one race will not be incumbered. The people that wrote this crap are headed down the same road. First they will insult them and ridicule them, when that takes hold their next move will take on physical implications.Hitting, fighting, and beating will be socially excepted. Lately protesters in other parts of the world like 300 people just go missing in Kiev, 280 Nigeria (girls) also red shirt protesters in Thailand.

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    Geoff M

    May 25, 2014 at 1:05 am

    VERY funny, very effective….and yet incredibly sad and disturbing on so many levels.

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    May 25, 2014 at 4:23 am

    To be a bit too fair to the woman who said science was just a theory, it is in fact only one theory of knowledge or epistemology, but I don’t think she was arguing philosophy of science there. Science relies on ignoring the problem of induction and on a specific epistemology that states that 1)there is an objective or at least functionally objective truth about reality and 2) we can observe it or get close or closer to observing it via experimentation.

    There are other theories of reality and of knowledge. For someone who believes the truth is ultimately unknowable, science isn’t going to be an answer, because the disagreement is actually philosophical. And don’t get me started on ontological relativists….

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    May 25, 2014 at 5:53 am

    Wow…angry and hateful are people of science…who knew. I believe in evolution but I am not a hater..I can believe what I want and they can too..It’s a free country right? Oh wait…not anymore

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    Clara Scope

    May 25, 2014 at 7:21 am

    I don’t believe in creationism, but I also don’t believe in one-sided debates or tricking people so that you can ridicule them. John Oliver’s segment with Bill Nye was clever, funny and moved the conversation on climate change forward. The project presented on this page is arrogant and deceitful, and moves the conversation on creationism backwards. But because it’s not hard to understand that ridicule puts people on the defense, I assume the purpose of this project in the first place was never meant to be positive.

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    Eco Alves

    May 26, 2014 at 6:12 am

    Well put, Kevin! I couldn’t have said that better myself.

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    Eco Alves

    May 26, 2014 at 6:25 am

    Very well put, Jason Lane Johnson. Spot on!

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    d'Infamous Loww

    May 27, 2014 at 2:26 pm

    This is hilarious! Although I don’t think it very nice that they did this without letting the poor souls know what they were really doing, the fact most of the creationists questions are arrogant and sarcastic makes it hard for me to feel any sympathy for the returned sarcastic tones in the evolutionists answers.
    This was an awesome debate by the way. If you’ve not seen it I highly recommend you check it out!

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    Gregory Peterson

    May 27, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    While some of the stories in the Bible have some Bronze Age roots, such as Noah’s Ark, the Bible is firmly planted in the Iron Age. Ask Tubal Cain…

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    Colin V

    May 27, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Can a smart person believe dumb things? Yes and since they’re smart they’re better at rationalizing it.

    Arguably one of the greatest scientific minds of our time, Isaac Newton, believed in alchemy.

    Whether someone “smart” or “genius” level believes in your pet religion does not speak to its truth. The truth speaks for itself, it doesn’t depend on the messenger to be an upstanding citizen of the world.

    Most people don’t investigate the God claim because it’s already been decided for them. They are indoctrinated from an early age and told these myths are “truth”. It doesn’t affect their every day lives thus they don’t have to spend a lot of time researching all the angles to see if a god does indeed exist.

    I studied many world religions, was a devout Christian for the majority of my life, loved the church and have fond memories of it. I was genuinely searching for an answer. I read the bible many times through from cover to cover. I prayed every night for answers. I was as genuine as I could be.

    That’s when I saw the truth for myself. There is no difference between my religion and the thousands that came before, exist now and will exist in the future.

    There is no god.

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    May 28, 2014 at 6:32 am

    I’m a Christian and I’m slightly offended…. Google John Clayton if you want to hear an EDUCATED scientific Christian perspective… :/

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    Atheists put reason over faith while for Atheism the Universe exists without a reason of existence. Sounds
    I think Atheists still think that Evolution is a random process that supports their nihilistic delusions, if they were truly into science they would know that it does not support anymore their delusions.

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    Jen H.

    May 28, 2014 at 2:03 pm

    When science has all the answers then Ill be impressed till then keep theorizing, dreaming, and scheming!

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    Philip Calcott

    May 28, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    I’m with Clara Scope here. Sad to see serious scientists being so needlessly abusive. Some of ridicule might be desreved, but helpful? I think not. Also what is so stupid about question 7 “Where do you dervie objective meaning from?” This is one that philsophers have debated for centuries – and certainly doesn’t deserve the reidiculous “translation” provided.

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    June 10, 2014 at 12:53 am

    Taking someones picture but changing their words is not bullying, it’s ridicule. Ridicule because what those people were implying was really nonsense. You should also be aware that comparing anything to the Nazi regime is an automatic disqualification. You should try instead to focus on what a society would be like based on a rejection of science. Also consider that the people pushing this rejection of science are looking to a future of unintelligent, malleable and, most of all, cheap labor. Religion has nothing to do with their motivation; it is pure capitalism.

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    June 10, 2014 at 8:36 am

    You sound like an utterly vapid cunt

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    Mike de Fleuriot

    June 10, 2014 at 11:30 am

    Then keep your religion out our schools and we will keep our science out of your mosque.

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    Mike de Fleuriot

    June 10, 2014 at 11:32 am

    So tell me, how did your god do the magic stuff you think he did. And it must be stuff that science does not provide a decent explanation for.

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    Mike de Fleuriot

    June 10, 2014 at 11:34 am

    There has never been a question that science has provided an answer for, which later religion came along with an equal or better answer to that question.

    You can check this up, go look at all of human history, comparing all human religions and you will not find one single case of this happening.

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    Odd Jørgensen

    June 10, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    and ppl defending religion is th dumbest of tem all.

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    Odd Jørgensen

    June 10, 2014 at 11:17 pm

    So ridiculing blatant stupidity and ignorance is a bad thing?And how was it in any way deceitful?

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    Mike Butler

    June 10, 2014 at 11:50 pm

    Yeah, the Christians are sending the US to hell-in-a-hand-basket.

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    Mike Butler

    June 10, 2014 at 11:53 pm

    These people are dead-weight, and a detriment to our society.

    And I’m not sure how you can call normal people “hateful” when compared to theists; Normal people don’t murder queers in Alabama.

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    Odd Jørgensen

    June 11, 2014 at 3:12 am

    because simple school answers do not work on the braindead creatonists,when ppl have gone beyond reason and evidence,only ridicule remain.

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    June 27, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    And people who enjoy convincing other people that there god is the only god and that the rules of their religion should be the law for everyone are… what… uplifting and fun?!

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    June 27, 2014 at 7:00 pm

    Keeping science alive in our culture while many among us seek to destroy it is probably the first priority of anyone that wants science to continue improving the world and the lives of people living in it.

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    June 27, 2014 at 7:03 pm

    Yeah, those German Christians had a long history of anti-semitism and homophobia, and also a long history of brutalizing those people. And you’re right, they told people how to live and believe. The truth didn’t matter, only force applied by a massive irrational hate group marching under Christian slogans and dutifully going to church.

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    June 27, 2014 at 7:06 pm

    Your Iron Age Bible is based entirely on Bronze Age superstitions which were passed down through a Bronze Age oral tradition…

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    BoxingCannabyte Epicurus

    June 28, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    LMAO, pure gold. I needed a good laugh this morning, thank you!

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    June 30, 2014 at 1:43 am

    It’s not patronizing, it’s actually insulting to those of us who took the time to pay attention in science and basic core classes in college to keep having to dumb things down to no avail because of what your preacher told you! A preacher who takes, takes, takes, their poor congregations rent, electric, gas, and food money buy fancy clothes, cars, and houses while the people who pour this out go hungry, are in borderline foreclosure because for thousands of years Christians have concocted an elaborate control and money scheme to convert the ignorant by the sword and then threat of eternal hell fire! I’m sick of having my intelligence insulted by those who won’t bother to spend hours as I have learning, researching, and seeking truths. God did it is not an acceptable answer. What would you think if someone told you it’s night or day because of an ongoing 24 hour fight with mythical gods? You know people once believed that! In another few hundred years religions of today will be no different of greek, roman, or Egyptian gods of yesterday!

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    July 14, 2014 at 3:07 am

    oh goodness, thank you so much. Here here!!

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    Jimmy Young

    July 16, 2014 at 1:53 pm

    Oh crap, that is spot on. Nailed it!

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    Jose Garcia

    July 16, 2014 at 6:45 pm

    All of you put God in a box, a male entity that lives in another dimension… come on… God is another name for reality as a whole, and the way it functions. Science is an attempt to understand that reality through physical observation, religion in it’s purest form is an attempt to understand that reality through an emotional and intuitive way. That’s the way I see it at least.

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    Michael Shaun

    July 16, 2014 at 7:16 pm

    Most eloquent response I have seen in a long while Chrissy. I think I love you.

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    July 16, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    The problem here is that the responses, are definitely patronizing and not really intelligent, skillful, or helpful responses… so it’s counter productive… if you want the ignorant to realize it, you don’t do it by insulting them, you just make yourself look less credible.

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    July 17, 2014 at 5:34 am

    The point at which snark becomes tiresome.

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    July 17, 2014 at 7:10 am

    Dena, the problem here is that it’s not that “people can believe what they want to believe” the problem here is that the evolutionists/religious people are trying to stamp out the instruction, stamp out the knowledge, and stamp out the ability for those of us who want to learn and better ourselves and our children. I have zero problems with people that believe in the sky wizard that created the heavens and the earth and all the creatures in it – the problem is when they insist on imposing their belief system on others through ignoring or denying truths that we’ve held dear for a very long time. Ken Ham, sure, dude is more than welcome to make a buck and open a museum that panders to this niche of society – however, the problem starts when he’s insisting that his museum is fact and should be on the curriculum for my kids. Remember, freedom of religion is freedom to practice your religion – not the freedom to impose your religion on others. Please also note that it’s this very kind of religious fervor that has killed civilizations – Islam was once the intellectual monopoly in the world with the worlds most vast libraries and sciences developed, until an Imam declared mathematics the work of satan and Islamic countries fell to theocratic rule, and have yet to regain their intellectual stature in the world. I, for one, would not like western civilization (USA and UK primarily) to fall that far down.

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    July 17, 2014 at 7:12 am

    akk! Proofreading is your friend. I meant “creationists/religious people”

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    Billy D

    July 17, 2014 at 6:32 pm

    What’s the only difference between mythology and religion? The number that still believe in it.

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    Billy D

    July 17, 2014 at 6:40 pm

    Using ones first amendment right to respond to someone else who used theirs does not mean that the latter’s right no longer exists. Grow up.

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    July 18, 2014 at 2:26 am

    I find them no more boring than people who feel they must convince other people there is a god.

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    July 18, 2014 at 2:29 am

    Sister, I’m on your side, but your post is not the way to win an argument. Calling names is cheap.

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    July 18, 2014 at 3:34 am

    Only problem is that Judaism is the oldest religion and has survived since before the beginning of written history, Christianity was birthed from Judaism bc a Jew was nailed to a wooden cross by the Romans for loving others and calling out the Hippocrates. and then He died when his heart literally exploded and three days later rose to life again because it was finished. All sins were paid in full through that one perfect Jewish man. He opened the door for all who knocked. The greatest part? You have the choice to accept his perfect gift… Or don’t. He loves you any ways. And he will keep loving you. That’s why he did what he did. For you, for me, for all of us. He’s stilling waiting for all who knock at his door. I can’t force feed you, I can only sow the seed he provided me. I can only tell you what he says and hope you will recieve it. If you do I’ll pray for you and be there for you. And if you don’t, I’ll brush the dirt from my cloak and scatter more seeds else where. I hate fighting over silly things, when the battle is already won

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    July 18, 2014 at 6:10 am

    Religion and science aren’t mutually exclusive. Calm down everyone. God bless.

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    July 18, 2014 at 6:14 am

    Colin I’m sorry for the hurts that life has thrown at you. It gets better. God bless.

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    July 18, 2014 at 6:17 am

    I don’t defend religion. I defend Jesus Christ.

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    July 18, 2014 at 7:07 am

    Exactly what point does this serve? Yes those who support the science of evolution get a good laugh at the people who support the religion of intelligent design (and before you assume I’m a creationist I suggest you give some thought to how I phrased that) but so what? It’s going to reinforce the creationist idea that the scientists are just to arrogent to believe in a Supreme being and frankly is about one very small step removed from out right ad hominim attack.

    More productive work is being acheived by reminding theists that science and faith are not now nor have they ever been mutually exclusive. It was a Catholic Priest who first proposed the Big Bang and even now the Church officially considers evolution and the Big bang parts of its catechism. important work is still being done by theistic scientists (Francis Collins anyone) as well as atheists who accept the reality that as it stands evolution is the best explanation for the origin of life we have.

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    Martin Kantor

    July 18, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    When the Creationists talk about God I have trouble remembering whether they mean Jehovah, Yahwah, adonoi, Jesus, Mary, Juno, Jupiter, The Great Spirit, Zeus, Athena, Mercury, Isis, Ra, Hades, Zoroaster, Chak mul, Baal, or any of the other myriad Gods that have appeared on the earth. I also don’t know if the world was formed by two rabbits copulating, or two turtles doing the same, or a weird creature from who knows where, saying ‘Now there is the land and the sea’. I also don’t know why this all powerful creature created a world where in order to live we have to eat one another or we have to die. Seems dumb to me. All powerful should be able to do anything.

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    Pan Outeast

    July 21, 2014 at 10:38 am

    The point was to be funny and insulting, not to convince. And why the hell not? The original signs were patronizing, insulting, pointless, and just plain stupid, and the questions they asked were disingenuous bullshit: they did not actually invite a serious response. And hey presto, a serious response is just what they didn’t get.

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    Larry L. Payne

    July 22, 2014 at 5:15 am

    Atheists aren’t any more ‘delusional’ than Christians who profess they know with certainty. Colin V made a valid point – It’s been indoctrinated from an early age – and when it’s been drilled into your conscience, there’s absolutely no hope of thinking outside the box. d’Infamous also made an observation that I clearly noticed multiple times. The comments from ‘Christians’ were collectively sarcastic and insulting, not to mention condescending – not very Christlike is it? I’ve always equated religious fanatics to Fox News = Hypocrites! There is much that appears erroneous with pious teachings. Two of every species of animal cooperating and going into the ark is just one of many. What humanity fails to realize, or refuses to except, is that the bible was written by men. They had politics then. They had opinions then. People have likened their almighty to that of a mortal without even realizing it – God hates this, God hates that, and he’s sending you to hell if you don’t accept the scripture. Hate is a quality of humans and mammals, surely unbefitting of the Omnipotent, wouldn’t you say? There hasn’t been any tangible evidence supporting this ‘higher power’ regardless of what you profess. Show me proof, real proof and I’d rethink this. On the other hand, science has and continues to hold much weight. Oh, and one more tidbit – for those of you who truly deny the powers of science, put away your cell phones, ipods, don’t use the microwave, or your car for that matter, turn off your TV, and get off the Internet!

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    July 24, 2014 at 4:19 pm

    As a doctor, I was early on very scientific about everything. I disdained a creator. I thought it more probable for the primordial soup to create us than God. However, I have come to a point in my long career that I can no longer ignore the miraculous things that happen to people in medicine. Some things remain inexplicable to the human observer. There are lab tests for love, endurance of spirit, strength of will to persevere, or mind over matter. The more I practice medicine, perversely, and delightedly, the more I believe in God, in miracles, in a creator, and the more I am able to view science merely as a tool to enable good things to come about. Our minds aren’t meant to fathom and study and microscopically pick apart God. Furthermore, as a doctor I have been academically and now spiritually invested in the Word – it is full of down-to-earth, common sense, rules of decent living and wisdom – the stuff you see paraphrased in Pinterest? A lot of it comes from the Bible. I hope to be able to help my patients to the best of my abilities – but sometimes a heartfelt prayer doesn’t hurt either. It might just give me resolve, more strength, or less commonly, an unbidden revelation on how best to proceed for them that can often solve the problem. Doctors are humans too, and we are also scientists. But miracles do happen – and we are at a loss at how to scientifically explain them. The only other logical explanation – the easier one – is to believe that there is a miraculous creator who helps us from time to time, and it is not for us to hold this creator accountable.

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    Doug Fo

    July 25, 2014 at 1:33 pm

    Do you have any idea what religious freedom” or “free speech” means? By what you wrote you are just as clueless as those creationists who wrote those question and do not. When someone behaves stupidly in a public forum, it isn’t bullying to mock their stupidity. Freedom of religion does not mean, “I get everything I want”

    Furthermore, Creationists have a lot in common with Nazi ideology: Science only applies if it agrees with their foregone conclusions. As well as ideology being rebranded as “Science” to grant it authority, even though it does not follow the actual methodology and falsifiable scrutiny of the scientific method. And who’s burning books and trying to get them banned in the US…the religious right, not scientists.

    Third you appeals to pity and slippery slope are ludicrous, just because Christianity is being repressed in some far off land has nothing to do with the position of dominance it has in most English speaking countries; no more than the repression of Islam in Uzbekistan, Central Asia, or Bangladesh mean Muslims are in danger of repression in Iran.

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    Doug FO

    July 25, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    Cartography is a science. Look at a map from the year 1300….not that good. 1400 better, but still off. 1500 an improvement. 1600 better. 1700..starting to look sort of right. 1800 actually quite good. 1900….even better. 2000, nearly photographic. So what you are saying is that you would rather go around using a bronze age map than any of the ones I mentioned because, since maps don’t have every detail…they are useless and scheming. Excuse me while I chortle at your infantile nature.

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    Doug Fo

    July 25, 2014 at 1:47 pm

    Question: Where does lightening come from? Religion: Angry Otherworld deities. Science: discharge of ionized particles.

    How did the world come to be: Religion: Capricious Otherworld entities. Science: physics that can be demonstrated.

    I think you got that backward. There has never been a question that religion has provided an answer for, which later science came along with an equal or better answer to that question…if it is a question that can be objectively tested.

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    July 31, 2014 at 1:41 am

    Zach’s apparently never heard of Zoroastrianism, Sumerian religion, Egyptian religion, or every other religion that preceded the relatively new religion of Judaism. Unless he considers Canaanite and Babylonian mythology to be Judaism.

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    July 31, 2014 at 6:58 am

    Evolution is not a random process, but it is unplanned. It is also without purpose, which is entirely and only a human concept.

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    To say that purpose is for Humans it doesn’t mean that the whole Universe is purposeless because it was determined to created conscious life…if life was a mistake then evolution wouldn’t be Deterministic!

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    The proof about God is the fact that we exist because our existence is not a cosmic mistake but a Fine Tuned process. In the Old Testament people justified evil actions in the name of God, that’s why Jesus had to come to teach us (again) the Truth of Man, whoever believes in God He says must follow love, forgiveness, mercy, humility, patience, charity, through these actions he is making the will of God, we don’t believe in idols, we don’t worship God as an idol but through these actions which are a way of life and led to the State of Law which was created based on the Christian Equality when the Atheists Epicurean Philosophers mocked the Christians for thinking a society equal because Atheists of that time adopt their morality from nature and they supported slavery, woman abuse, greed, murder, rape, incest and every other action that goes together with the survival of the strongest! Atheists like you are ungrateful for what Christianity has offered to you and that’s why you will end up in Hell, not because of your disbelief but because of your arrogance.

    That’s why the most cruel Dictators were Atheists

    Non-Religious Dictator Lives Lost

    Joseph Stalin – 42,672,000
    Mao Zedong – 37,828,000
    Adolf Hitler – 20,946,000
    Chiang Kai-shek – 10,214,000
    Vladimir Lenin – 4,017,000
    Hideki Tojo – 3,990,000
    Pol Pot – 2,397,0003

    Rummel says: “Almost 170 million men, women and children have been shot, beaten, tortured, knifed, burned, starved, frozen, crushed or worked to death; buried alive, drowned, hung, bombed or killed in any other of a myriad of ways governments have inflicted death on unarmed, helpless citizens and foreigners. The dead could conceivably be nearly 360 million people. It is though our species has been devastated by a modern Black Plague. And indeed it has, but a plague of Power, not germs.

    Now educate yourself about the Fine Tuning to see that we live inside a creation and not something random as you atheists support without proof.

    Here are the facts on the fine-tuning:

    Life has certain minimal requirements; long-term stable source of energy, a large number of different chemical elements, an element that can serve as a hub for joining together other elements into compounds, etc.
    In order to meet these minimal requirements, the physical constants, (such as the gravitational constant), and the ratios between physical constants, need to be withing a narrow range of values in order to support the minimal requirements for life of any kind.
    Slight changes to any of the physical constants, or to the rations between the constants, will result in a universe inhospitable to life.
    The range of possible ranges over 70 orders of magnitude.
    The constants are selected by whoever creates the universe. They are not determined by physical laws. And the extreme probabilities involved required put the fine-tuning beyond the reach of chance.
    Although each individual selection of constants and ratios is as unlikely as any other selection, the vast majority of these possibilities do not support the minimal requirements of life of any kind. (In the same way as any hand of 5 cards that is dealt is as likely as any other, but you are overwhelmingly likely NOT to get a royal flush. In our case, a royal flush is a life-permitting universe).

    Examples of finely-tuned constants

    Here are a couple of examples of the fine-tuning. Craig only gave one example in the debate and didn’t explain how changes to the constant would affect the minimal requirements for life. But Bradley does explain it, and he is a professional research scientist, so he is speaking about things he worked in his polymer research lab. (He was the director)

    a) The strong force: (the force that binds nucleons (= protons and neutrons) together in nucleus, by means of meson exchange)

    if the strong force constant were 2% stronger, there would be no stable hydrogen, no long-lived stars, no hydrogen containing compounds. This is because the single proton in hydrogen would want to stick to something else so badly that there would be no hydrogen left!
    if the strong force constant were 5% weaker, there would be no stable stars, few (if any) elements besides hydrogen. This is because you would be able to build up the nuclei of the heavier elements, which contain more than 1 proton.
    So, whether you adjust the strong force up or down, you lose stars than can serve as long-term sources of stable energy, or you lose chemical diversity, which is necessary to make beings that can perform the minimal requirements of living beings. (see below)

    b) The conversion of beryllium to carbon, and carbon to oxygen

    Life requires carbon in order to serve as the hub for complex molecules, but it also requires oxygen in order to create water.
    Carbon is like the hub wheel in a tinker toy set: you can bind other elements together to more complicated molecules (e.g. – “carbon-based life), but the bonds are not so tight that they can’t be broken down again later to make something else.
    The carbon resonance level is determined by two constants: the strong force and electromagnetic force.
    If you mess with these forces even slightly, you either lose the carbon or the oxygen.

    Either way, you’ve got no life of any conceivable kind.

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    August 1, 2014 at 4:26 am

    I’m curious to know why society continually attacks Christian beliefs, and then turn around, play the victim, and claim Christians are the hateful ones. Trying to make us look like idiots by convincing younger generations that the Bible is wrong or that God does not exist is downright childish. If it makes you happy, continue to do it- just don’t be a hypocrite about it.

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    August 1, 2014 at 5:15 am

    I encourage you to research the history and motivation for Sir Isaac Newton’s work. Then feel free to come back and tell me it’s impossible for a scientist to believe in God.

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    August 4, 2014 at 6:32 am

    obvious troll is obvious

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    August 9, 2014 at 5:01 am

    Very interesting post, but nothing in it gives evidence of conscious direction of evolution. Purpose requires consciousness. Evolution has no goal or purpose; it just is.

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    August 9, 2014 at 5:13 am

    Yes, Newton believed in god, but he kept god out of his research.

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    August 12, 2014 at 9:18 am

    I don’t really know how to explain my beliefs about these topics. I am in the middle of the argument, I see evolution, the Big Bang, and other scientific theories as valid, but I see intelligent design as being valid also. I look around at the world around me, I see design, geometric patterns, repeating cycles. Intelligent design doesn’t mean that life is what we would consider ideal. Every artist has a critic. I see purpose in how animals and plants evolve. Again I see animals with beautiful patterns on their skin and coats. Yes there is chaos and destruction in the universe, but without it there wouldn’t be any reason for life to exist at all. Evolution can’t happen if things don’t die. We see death as an end to life, but I say it is the beginning. Where one journey ends, another begins.

    Science has allowed us to observe things that we wouldn’t be able to observe without it. However, science is still limited by what we can observe. No matter what kind of technology we come up with, we will never see any color outside the spectrum that we can see. Thermal and infrared cameras interpret those wave lengths into colors we can see, so we will never know what those colors actually look like. Science can only deal with concrete objectivity. It cannot deal with abstract concepts, ideas, and thoughts. God is an abstract concept, design is an abstract concept. These things are always subjective. Anyone who tries to objectify anything abstract are equally ignorant. This goes for theists and atheists alike.

    For me, at least, I believe that the universe is a simulation, created in our own minds. The universe is created through a collective consciousness, not just human consciousness either. Anything that has a sense of awareness of its surroundings contributes to the ongoing creation, destruction, and re-creation. The universe doesn’t exist externally, but is a projection of the mind. Everything we see, touch, smell, taste, hear, and know is all internal. Science will never find God or the creator outside for they exist within.

    When will people realize that WE are the creators? Separated, we are mortal with very little influence on the universe, but as a whole we are God along with the rest of the universe, not just everyone on this planet.

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    August 28, 2014 at 12:39 pm

    The desire for ‘objective meaning’ should be investigated before wasting time trying to philosophize about it. In essence to debate ‘objective meaning’ is to beg the question of whether their is any value in knowing the answer.

    ‘Objective Meaning’ is an attempt to define a rule by which an individual can estimate or justify their rank in their society.

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    Laura Cordova-James

    September 3, 2014 at 7:11 am

    I think its just too difficult for me to lie and pretend that I don’t see the obvious photo op with huge smiles across their faces as an obvious promotional. The questions they are asking have been answered. The mockery is from people who are sick and tired of seeing the same questions from 10 or 20 or even 30 years ago repeated verbatim over and over again.

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    September 7, 2014 at 8:44 am

    Where do you think those colleges came from? The Catholic Church brought universities to western Europe. Do the research. Pretty sure every single priest carries two or three degrees and holds masters and doctorates. Please because there are many poorly educated Christians out there do not refer to all Christians as uneducated.

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    September 7, 2014 at 9:02 am

    The Catholic Church does not take the bible literally.

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    Dr. A.W. Niloc

    September 8, 2014 at 10:01 pm

    “If you’ve got no sense of humor then you’ve got no sense at all.” – Earl Gray

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    Honu Rider

    September 9, 2014 at 9:50 am

    Excellent point Pan.

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    Honu Rider

    September 9, 2014 at 9:53 am

    your making this up !

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    September 17, 2014 at 2:56 am

    Blah. The internet is a straw man party. I suppose the fray is fun, but if you actually care about the truth, I suggest you look elsewhere beyond the comment section of an entertainment article. I’m speaking to a specific subset of the people participating in this thread. Believe it or not, there are sophisticated, consistent, and coherent evolutionist theories as well as creationist theories. Not that I expect everyone here to be able to pick up professional articles in philosophy tomorrow, but at least endeavor to find clearer presentations of either side. But maybe I can help at least one of you:

    1-The truth of an abstract model is a relation of congruence with reality, which is determined by whether it “works” for its intended purpose. Evolutionist theories (while not always incompatible with creationist ideologies) have satisfied this general criterion for truth to some extent.

    2- Creationist theories satisfy no criteria necessary to constitute the domain of scientific inquiry, as such.

    3- That isn’t to say that certain scientific methodology and reason (when properly understood) cannot be applied to creationist and spiritual theories. Such application, however, does not in effect render such theories as scientific.

    4- Spirituality, in essence, denotes a class of states of consciousness that are in fact available to all humans. Most religious traditions do provide the requisite ideologies and practices to achieve these states. This is the value of religion. There was a time when religious forms (mythology and symbol) were acknowledged to be figurative in nature. The purpose of these forms was to evoke aforementioned states. These states are an integral component to the human experience. Your present experience (and therefore knowledge) of the world, after all, is determined by your present state of consciousness.

    5- From personal experience I can attest that the deepest of these states reveal the identity relationship between Self, God, and Reality.

    6- Enlightenment (nirvana, kingdom of heaven) is a state of consciousness in which one’s identity with the rest of reality is felt. This is the end of suffering.

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    Paul Manchester

    September 17, 2014 at 4:14 am

    I grew up Presbyterian in the ’60s and by mid ’70s was attending a fundamentalist mega-church filled with pretty, confident, well-intended people. I went to Bible College for a year and considered going into the ministry- I was deeply and sincerely involved in my Christian faith. But the Apostle Paul said in Thessalonians 5:21 to “test all things. Hold on to what is good.” And when I allowed myself to examine basic Christian doctrine- it didn’t hold up. Doubting my faith was a difficult thing to do- I felt like I was courting blasphemy to consider Christianity objectively- the very doubt necessary to objectively examine my faith was a sin. But there were too many blatant holes to ignore.

    • “If a man dies before he has heard the Gospel-is he condemned to Hell through no fault of his own?” If he is- God created a very unjust universe (and the creation will always reflect the creator), if he is not and “judged with the knowledge he is given” (Romans 2:15) then why does the Gospel need to be shared at all?

    • “Why did God make the angel Lucifer?”

    • “If what separates angels and man is free will, and angels have no free will, how did Lucifer turn his back on God unless he was designed to do so?”

    • “If angels do have free will, why did God create beings that would rebel against him- and then punish them when they did?”

    • “Why did God put the tool of man’s destruction in the center of the garden, like he wanted man to eat the apple… why did he allow the snake to be there?” If you put an object that could destroy your child in the center of their playroom- and add a bad influence into the mix, can you get all that upset with your child when they act on their curiosity? Social services would call you a sociopathic parent if you cast that child away from you as a result.

    • “If God is a being of compassion, why does he order the deaths of innocents?” In 1 Samuel 15:2-3, God commanded Saul and the Israelites, “This is what the LORD Almighty says: ‘I will punish the Amalekites for what they did to Israel when they waylaid them as they came up from Egypt. Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy everything that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’” God ordered similar things when the Israelites were invading the promised land (Deuteronomy 2:34; 3:6; 20:16-18). Why would God have the Israelites exterminate an entire group of people, women and children included? And all the animals? What sense does that make? This God does not care about life- certainly does not care about the unborn when he instructs the Israelites to slash open the pregnant women’s bellies and smash the infants heads on the rocks. Yet this God is supposed to be the same yesterday, today, and forever?

    • “Why does God require us to worship him?” It seems an extremely insecure request. This being seems to be created by a man who requires validation rather than a being who created everything I can conceive of. To be surrounded by billions of adoring sycophants for all eternity seems a flavor of Hell. Not Heaven. A being who requires me to worship him is clearly not worthy of worship.

    • “How does the quasi-death of God in flesh absolve me of sin?” It does not make any sense at all if you stand back and objectively look at it. It is just ancient ideas of human sacrifice that has stuck around to present day.

    The further you step away from the Christian faith, the more conflicts you find in the doctrine. At this point for me it is so filled with nonsensical elements that it is hard to believe I ever took it seriously. It just crumbles when you choose to turn on your critical thinking and logic skills.

    So, I was left with the question- if Christianity is just a primitive society’s attempt at understanding the world around them, what am I left with? What does one believe on a spiritual level? What are morals founded on? I came to the conclusion that the answers lie in the world around us- our experiences, what we know from science. And we can know a lot.

    We know the world is a pretty amazing place. Nature is complex and does not contain any inherent morality. A tiger feels no guilt for eating a rabbit. The ecosphere of the planet is not unlike the world within our bodies- viruses try to survive and our white blood cells fight them off. We live in an inherently practical universe. Entities live and try to survive while consuming other entities. We know this. We see it all around us. This is a definite. Does a complex world require a creator? Maybe? Maybe not. We really can’t say one way for sure with the facts we have. If you insist nothing can exist without a creator- one must ask “Who created the Creator?” Then you say “Well, the Creator was always there”. But why couldn’t the physical universe always have existed using the same argument?

    What we KNOW is that this complex world around us exists. We do not know that God exists. (and feelings in your gut are not always to be relied upon- we are inclined to believe in the stories we repeat to ourselves whether they are true or not. We need to rely on something a little more objective.) I am not saying “God” does not exist. I am just saying that I have not seen evidence of it. If this being does exist, it does not show a great deal of care with regard to your suffering. Babies die, women are raped, children are turned into child soldiers and taught to do horrific things they would not otherwise do… This is not a Universe that reflects a compassionate creator.

    But it is a beautiful world amidst all the ugliness. And we are a part of that beauty and that ugliness. Our behaviors, our moral guides, are based on living in a society. Morals are not about religion, but about getting along with a lot of other people. That seems an obvious conclusion to me. They are necessary for a species of communal creatures to survive.

    Truth does not fear ridicule.

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    Dave Manhart

    October 22, 2014 at 9:33 am

    There is something wrong with you being so intelligent, but at the same time, so damn beautiful. 🙂

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    October 22, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    Snotty sarcasm. Yep, you sure showed them.

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    Let other people be happy

    November 11, 2014 at 5:36 am

    I just kind of don’t care, if that’s what helps them sleep at night, good for them, I don’t care about the big bang theory, anybody who believes in it, good for them. Just because that dude over there is eating a ham sandwich, and I’m eating a chicken sandwich doesn’t mean I have to get in his face about it, if somebody got in my face about it, I’d probably keep on eating my sandwich and look at them like they’re weird. Some people like ham sandwiches, cool, some people like being Christians, also nice. Point being, why does anybody care what the average Joe down the street is doing, you do you.

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    David Manhart

    November 11, 2014 at 6:20 am

    Because a personal choice of what sandwich you like is not a personal choice of facts. You don’t get to “believe” what is scientifically factual or not. A better analogy of sandwiches would be someone who likes their ham sandwich and someone who has a non existent sandwich and who declares his sandwich to taste better than the one that actually exists. And then they are on a mission, which they openly admit, and are proud of, to “welcome everyone to prefer their sandwich”. They will fight hard to have school children taught their non existent sandwich exists and will use peer pressure to force kids to submit to the “truth” that the non existent sandwich is the best. It will be illegal in some parts of the country to elect a person who claims the non existent sandwich does not exist. To even mildly assert the sandwich does not exist makes everyone go apeshit.

    That is a much better analogy my friend.

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    Nell Webbish

    December 23, 2014 at 2:36 am

    Translation: I didn’t bother to read the part of the article that made it clear these Christians were given the opportunity to ask a serious honest question and they made jackasses of themselves with childish nonsense instead.

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    December 23, 2014 at 1:26 pm

    It would be better if allegedly educated people knew the difference between “their” and “there.”

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    December 23, 2014 at 4:15 pm

    Brilliant response! Kudos!

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    December 23, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Freedom of speech = freedom of criticism, you dishonest cnut.

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    December 23, 2014 at 7:39 pm

    Creationists are shining examples of ignorance and illiteracy promoted through intellectually and morally offensive fairy tales. I mourn for our species as long as this type of utterly worthless tripe continues to exist here in the 21st Century when it should have by all rights disappeared with the ignorant Bronze Age primitives who created it.

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    Al Hubbard

    December 23, 2014 at 7:40 pm

    Very well stated! Thank you. Having been witness to 70 years of war, poverty, deaths of children, horrible disease etc it’s rather hard to imagine a god who would approve or condone this suffering. Ever lost a child or grandchild? I have. If there was this god people pray to one might imagine he would listen occasionally. But beyond the big question I have a bunch of my own and they all involve this place people call Heaven.
    1. Does it have the internet?
    1.1 Does Heaven have TV? All Shows?
    2. Can I go fishing, play golf? Do I have to play the same course every day?
    3. Is it open bar every day?
    4. Do I have to go to church every day.
    5, Is there a good library available with real books. Get we get every book ever printed and all the ones that are not yet written.
    6. Can we get porn in heaven?
    7. If i die at 90 do I stay that age forever?
    8. Is everyone who ever died up there? Pretty Crowded. What does Washington think of GW Bush?
    9. Do the seasons change? I love Fall.
    10. Is infinity really forever…Don’t you think we’ll eventually die of utter boredom?
    11. Does Santa visit Heaven for all the children god has let die young.

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    David Manhart

    December 24, 2014 at 2:23 am

    If heaven existed…. That means you would have to spend all of eternity with your ex-wive. And those relatives you hate.

    Not exactly a place I would want to go to. Thank “heavens” it does not exist.

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    David Manhart

    December 24, 2014 at 2:32 am

    Some other questions to ask:

    For the ones hiding behind the bible…..

    I thank you for educating me on the bible.. Since you are a better expert than I on the topic, I do need some advice from you regarding some of the specific laws and how to best follow them.

    a) In Deuteronomy 22:5, it says “A woman shall not wear a man’s garment, nor shall a man put on a woman’s cloak, for whoever does these things is an abomination to the Lord your God.” Does this include Halloween?
    b) Speaking of abominations, a friend of mine feels that even though eating shellfish is an abomination (Lev 11:10), it is a lesser abomination than homosexuality. I don’t agree. Can you settle this? Are there different levels of abomination, and if so, how can you tell what level an abomination is?
    c) I know that I am allowed no contact with a woman while she is in her period of menstrual uncleanliness (Lev 15:19-24). The problem is, how do I tell? I have tried asking, but most women get offended for some reason.
    d) I would like to sell my daughter into slavery, as sanctioned in Exodus 21:7. In this day and age, what do you think would be a fair price for her? (in US dollars)
    e) Lev. 25:44 states that I may indeed possess slaves, both male and female, provided they are purchased from neighboring nations. A friend of mine claims that this applies to Mexicans, but not Canadians. Can you clarify? Why can’t I own Canadians?
    f) I have a neighbor who insists on working on the Sabbath by mowing his lawn. Exodus 35:2 clearly states he should be put to death. Am I morally obligated to kill him myself?
    g) Lev 21:20 states that I may not approach the altar of God if I have a defect in my sight. I have to admit that I wear glasses. Does my vision have to be 20/20, or is there some wiggle room here?
    h) Most of my male friends get their hair trimmed, including the hair around their temples, even though this is expressly forbidden by Lev 19:27. How should they die? And what about my friends who have tattoos (Lev 19:28)?
    i) I know from Lev 11:6-8 that touching the skin of a dead pig makes me unclean, but may I still play football if I wear gloves?
    j) My uncle has a farm. He violates Lev 19:19 by planting two different crops in the same field, as does his wife by wearing garments made of two different kinds of thread (cotton and polyester blend). He also tends to curse and blaspheme a lot. Is it really necessary that we go to all the trouble of getting the whole town together to stone them? (Lev 24:10-16) Couldn’t we just burn them to death at a private family affair like we do with people who sleep with their in-laws? (Lev. 20:14)
    k) Being a gay man, I do my best to get stoned to death every day. My marijuana is just not potent enough. Where may I find REAL christians who will assist me in getting stoned to death?

    Some fake christians believe that the old testament no longer applies because of Jesus giving the people a “new covenant”. But Jesus said, in Matthews 5:18 “For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.” Ok. Maybe Jesus was misquoted. But if God was right at one point in having the commandments as written in the holy bible, how can he have “changed his mind”? Is right or wrong for morality to change over time?

    I know you have studied these things extensively, so I am confident you can help.

    Thank you again for reminding us that God’s word is eternal and unchanging.

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    George Spanos

    December 24, 2014 at 5:45 am

    You’ve made me ashamed to call myself a Greek.

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    December 25, 2014 at 9:10 am

    Every single one of these begs the anchor for the morality that they are questioning in their mockings… who really cares if God lies, or is petty ? Whats the grounding to even complain about these things in the atheists worldview ? Isn’t this really just hypocritical pulp – to take the time to mock something with fake moral values attached to your argument complaining about the lack of moral values from your opponents God, but get this, morals are relative in your worldview atheist. Basically the idea of God bothers anti-theists so much they cant help but resort to this kind of 3rd grade sillyness.

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    December 25, 2014 at 9:47 am

    comparing your opponents to hitler and the nazis is a sure sign you are out of ideas.

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    December 25, 2014 at 11:07 am

    You had me at “pay attention in science and basic core classes” well said.

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    Hotdog fingers

    December 25, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    People who patronize those with beliefs are just as ignorant as those who force their beliefs on those who don’t believe.

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    Sean A. Pepper

    December 26, 2014 at 9:33 am

    Thank you!

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    Sean A. Pepper

    December 26, 2014 at 9:39 am

    That is precisely the same logic that leads you to follow the edicts of a sheepherders cult from thousands of years ago, even after the truth keeps smacking you in the face…

    I want freedom to believe and say whatever I want…

    You should go to jail for having the freedom to say whatever you want…


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    Sean A. Pepper

    December 26, 2014 at 11:42 am

    I wish that everyone was rational. Unfortunately, no matter how right you are, you are crazy. You’re doing the equivalent of trying to convince a brick wall of your knowledge. Except this brick wall is an idiot.

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    Frank harrison

    December 26, 2014 at 1:13 pm

    I find that you evolutionists tend to follow the 10th box up. Mike check time. The creation of the universe can be drawn up under creationism and evolution IF one is willing to evolve their narrow-minded system taught (and therefore illogically derived) system of thought. In the beginning there was one atom. It had no energy, it did not multiply. It existed in the vast absence of light. Then it evolved. This is the true Big Bang Theory. It evolved by dividing itself into two parts and therefore expelled energy. It became greater than itself. This atom is called God. From that single completion of division came mass multiplication, which in turn created the beginnings of the celestial bodies in the universe. That’s Day 1.

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    December 26, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    How about we all just believe whatever the hell we want and shut up about it.

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    Lukas Supernonstop Continuousflowmachine

    December 26, 2014 at 7:28 pm

    I dont want to burst your bubble here. Im sure theres plenty of atheists who will mock you for your beliefs but a true scientist would try to understand that you are a product of your environment. (genes, upbringing) No reasonable scientist would try to discredit you for having such beliefs as its hugely widespread. Im sure you understand that not every church is the same. Atheists and scientists may have different theories but they are open to new information about discoveries and can admit their theory was flawed. Religions rarely (or blatantly dont) allow for change or updates and relies on the bible/quran/insert other religion. The science and technology we are using to communicate is based off that same principle to figure out how things work (peer reviewed science). If your a creationist however and you believe in the bible so much as to take it word for word, i may ask why you dont stone your children if they become useless to society? Deuteronomy 21:18-21. Im not telling you to do it. But the bible is. And so atheists tend to take a back step and ask how much more is overlooked. We change our beliefs to update what is tangible in front of us. Your need to quote a book compiled 600 years after jesus’s death seems like it might contain a few false agendas. We question this. It is not mocking you to ask you to make sense of what you believe if you want us to convert. Or attempt to convert others we know to a way of thinking we might think is a little archaic in belief. We once believed the earth was flat and scientists died because they told the ruling parties their theories. But here we are talking to each other on each side of the planet because we all got together and figured out a few things to make our lives easier. this is science. Bending the universe to our will by understanding it more thoroughly by experimentation. It seems illogical to atheists to just listen to pastors and elders when science is offering a whole bunch more explanation than one book ever could.

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    December 26, 2014 at 10:30 pm

    Not all Pastors are greedy folks just looking for Money.
    My Pastor personally helps me a lot to deal with my Personal sins that are destroying me, and all of my relationships. He did my grandmas funeral, and My Wedding. He has never asked for a tithe or offering.
    However, I use to go to an Evil greedy church just like u described, so I know where your coming from, But Please know that not all Pastors are like that.

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    December 26, 2014 at 10:34 pm

    it should be noted that Hitler went to a state-run Church,

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    David Manhart

    December 27, 2014 at 12:11 am

    Here’s what you’re missing: This “theology stuff” is directly affecting us in very negative ways, and attempts are ongoing to make that even more intense.

    When religious types only tried to apply their religious restrictions and rules to themselves, I’d have no problem with them. For instance, we have Hutterite communities up here; never hear a word from them until they want to sell us a turkey. See them in the big box store, nod hello in as friendly a way as anyone else, that’s all there is to it. I’ve never brought them up before, and I only do so here to point out that friendly coexistence with theists is not a problem when they don’t try to impose their will upon the rest of us.

    However, the theist who doesn’t think liquor should be sold on Sunday and tries (succeeds) in making that a law? The theist who wants to put data-free concepts in the schools in science class polished up to *look* like science, when it isn’t even close? The theists who made the question do I “swear by god” slap me (and anyone else who isn’t Christian) in the face when I walk into a court room? The theists who want homosexuality to be a crime and/or forbid such folk the benefits of marriage? The ones who make law pushing the idea that men’s nipples are irrelevant but women’s nipples are cause for arrest? The theists who stamped religious sayings onto the weapons our servicemen and women use? The theists who made and support the laws that say an atheist can’t hold public office? The theists that fly aircraft into buildings? The theists that bomb and stalk abortion clinics? The theists of one stripe that tell those of another what consenting, informed adults can and cannot do? (polygamy laws are the poster child for this.) I could go on, but perhaps I’ve made my point.

    So until theists learn to keep their rules and restrictions out of the legal system and within their own flock consisting of consenting, informed individuals, atheists have every reason to object, and object strongly. And we will continue to do so.

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    Paul Robinson

    December 27, 2014 at 10:15 pm

    And your irrational vulgarity is no better than your irrational science. Just the thing we nee to see our culture advance.

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    Paul Robinson

    December 27, 2014 at 10:33 pm

    Its also irrational logic. 22 silly memes that are misleading at best, with NO logical or
    scientific rebuttal allowed. Like Ali fighting unopposed and being declared the winner

    Nye’s side of the debate was fraught with lies, easily disproven myths, outdated info and silly nonsense, BUT I suppose these intellectual giants thought he did OK.

    Such a sad outlook for REAL science.

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    Paul Robinson

    December 27, 2014 at 10:48 pm

    Well apart from the total irrationality of your misinformed rant, your supposed denigration of all the PhD creationist who work every day in the REAL science world accomplishing REAL science, is truly condescending. And false. And irrational.

    You in fact, while writing down all those irrelevant things in science biology physics and paleontology, were simply revisiting the thousand of scientific observations and discoveries made by CREATIONISTS in the many scientific disciplines THEY first postulated – Newton, Keppler, Pasteur, Watts, Boyle, Linnaeus, Pascal, Von Braun – the list is LONG and illustrious, yet in your infinite wisdom and superior knowledge you think to denigrate their genius with your own silly mythology.

    Truly amazing. This irrational bigotry is what YOU are depending upon for SCIENCE next generation? Good Luck

    So HERE is my standard challenge to closed minded bigots like you: Name me ONE discovery/invention that has ANY dependence to evolution (apart from the OBVIOUS Evolutionary XXX basket waving courses) over he years? A Creationist discovered that Life comes ONLY from life – NOW it is law of science (except when it isn’t) and so far there is NO scientific alternative to that SCIENTIFIC law.

    I will restate a comment made by several top flight scientists – evolution has contributed nothing but confusion to science – and in some cases is anti-science.

    Its in your court.

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    M. Hope America

    December 28, 2014 at 12:02 am

    Nailed it.

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    December 28, 2014 at 3:23 pm

    You know that when religion ruled the world they called it the dark ages.

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    Busta Ruckus

    December 29, 2014 at 5:25 am

    People who constantly feel the need to preach the gospel to convert others (something almost every religion demands of its followers) are not only really boring, but extremely obnoxious. Please Google “evil bible” and educate yourself for a bit.

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    David Loewen

    December 29, 2014 at 9:03 am

    Care to point out what “lies, easily disproven myths, outdated info and silly nonsense” Bill Nye put forth? Anything that can’t be easily shut down?

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    December 30, 2014 at 8:14 pm

    Hitler was not an atheist by any measure. The man called himself an evangelist, for Pete’s sake. Look at the Jasenovac Death Camp in Slavonia, run by the very Catholic Ustaše, the leader of whom set the goal of treating Serbs and Jews in this manner: “A third must become Catholic, a third must leave the country, and a third must die!” Add to Hitler’s number the many religious wars over the centuries–to include the Crusades, the European wars of religion, etc.–and the general suppression of opposing faiths and I’d bet religion’s hands are every bit as bloody as all power-mad atheists put together.

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    January 2, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    My physics professor was a devout Christian. A man of science who also believed in God. If there’s one thing that taught me, is that the ENTIRE creationist vs evolutionist debate is just a bunch of wank with each side trying to out penis-size the other. No matter which side of the debate you’re on, your’re all equally annoying with your preaching. Evolutionist preaching, is even getting more irritating than Xtian preaching these days, never thought I’d see the day. Your entire post above Chrissy makes so many assumptions about why people believe in God, points my physics professor would have dismissed with contempt. I consider myself a non-believer, I’m way too scared to call myself atheist these days….

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    Tim Conner

    January 2, 2015 at 11:22 pm

    I don’t think you get the proposition correctly. You assert there is a “God” and so it is YOURS to prove, not mine to disprove.

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    January 2, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    He didn’t so much debunk the questions as he was very patronizing. He didn’t scientifically answer them. If people on either side want the other side to be open, STOP being patronizing.

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    January 2, 2015 at 11:27 pm

    The complexity of organisms and their evolution points to intelligent design. Even if some kind of primordial soup originated the first rudimentary cell, what was the engine that implused it to develop further into the complex creatures present, with the trillions of organic transactions occurring in our body every day?

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    January 2, 2015 at 11:41 pm

    Jesus approves Chrissy, well done.

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    January 2, 2015 at 11:43 pm

    If I weren’t and Atheist, I would say Amen.

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    January 2, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    I’m all science and zero creation. I still think this was rude and petty. You can’t convince people to read and understand when you are a dick to them.
    Believe it or not, science is funded by these people and who they vote for so let’s quit publicly shaming them

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    January 3, 2015 at 12:53 am


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    Josh Whaley

    January 3, 2015 at 1:00 am

    Because when crazy people say crazy things there is no way not to be patronizing

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    January 3, 2015 at 1:11 am

    Funny – that exactly how I feel about people who enjoy convincing other people there IS a god.

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    Andrew Nygard

    January 3, 2015 at 1:20 am

    You go Chrissy – but I like my gods fighting over night and day and day and night. Where would Thor and Loki hang out if we didn’t believe?

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    richard tarble

    January 3, 2015 at 1:21 am

    MY god set off the big bang and disapeared. it took your
    god 14 billion years to catch up and claim it did all the work of evolution.

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    January 3, 2015 at 2:15 am

    Paul Mancester, would you please copy and email me this comment you wrote. Than you. Email

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    January 3, 2015 at 2:23 am

    Why is the existence of God an implausible answer? Are you a metaphysical naturalist?

    The second law of thermodynamics states that the universe always moves from order to disorder, or put more correctly, from areas of inequal energy amounts to areas of equal energy amounts. There is a point of absolute energetic equilibrium for the universe in the future (assuming that there aren’t any changes in it from an outside source).

    If the universe had no origin, which is a core tenet of metaphysical naturalism (since nothing exists except what we observe and the universe is all we can observe; this would make the universe a closed system which is a system in which the second law of thermodynamics works), then it must be infinitely old.

    However, if the universe were infinitely old then we would be at the point of absolute equilibrium already, which we are not.

    Therefore, this means that the universe must have had a supernatural origin, and the possibility of divine intervention is not at all excluded.

    Many ask why God also does not have an origin, but this assumes that the laws of God’s realm are the same as our realm. The law of causality states that all effects must have causes. This is perfectly logical in our universe, but we have absolutely no fully empirical data of God’s realm, so we cannot logically apply this law there.

    I’m not here to combat you, I would just like you to understand the truth.

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    January 3, 2015 at 2:26 am

    It is patronizing, because that’s the definition of the word, hence what many find humorous here.

    In no way is it insulting to you because what someone else did or did not learn is in no way at all interconnected with you, at all.

    If you’re going to be arrogant, form valid arguments and use the definitions of terms correctly.

    Otherwise, it’s quite ironic…

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    January 3, 2015 at 3:03 am

    Well I want to say first and foremost everyone has the right to believe in what they want to no matter what others say. Me personally I believe in evolution but for those who believe in creationism that’s just fine and I have no ill feelings towards you or your beliefs. I just hope we all come to the understanding that we all have the right to choose regardless if one of ours is wrong.

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    January 3, 2015 at 3:08 am

    1st) I paid attention in science and basic core classes in college. What is insulting is that you assume because I am a Christian, I listened to nothing my teachers ever said.

    2nd) Being a Christian isn’t about listening to what your preacher says. I have gone to church my whole life and I used to just agree with everything that my pastor would say but that’s when I was like 14. Now I have made my religion my own and I take the time to look into my beliefs and why I believe what I believe.

    3rd) Going to church doesn’t mean you are forced to donate money. It’s called an offering. We offer money to our church to maintain the ministry because nothing is free. Me giving to my church is no different than any other donation to any type of charity. Also, my pastor is not in it for the money I can guarantee that. My pastor makes maybe $80,000 a year, which is a decent living, but to become a pastor you need to at least have a master’s degree and complete seminary. For that much schooling, $80,000 is not unreasonable.

    4th) You are incorrect when you say that because someone gives to a church, they cannot pay their rent. That is a logical fallacy. I assume you know what that is since you claim to have paid attention in school. Your logical fallacy is one commonly referred to as a slippery slope. Because someone does something, everything bad happens. Therefore, that said something should not be done.Just because I give to my church, does not mean I can’t pay any of my basic bills.

    5th) It is not an elaborate money scheme. The problem with the world we live in is that everything takes money, from paying the pastor(s), to maintaining the building, to trying to reach more people in the community. Show me actual proof of a church that is scamming its congregation.

    6th) The one thing I agree with you on is not particularly liking when people make assumptions without doing any research, however isn’t that exactly what you are doing? As mentioned before, I have done research to sort out why I believe what I believe.

    7th) I may have gone out of order a bit, forgive me. Church is not for trying to scare people away from hell. If there is anyone reading this who attends a church like that, please look into another church. The idea of Christianity is that because Jesus Christ died and rose from the dead three days later, we get to spend an eternity with him in paradise. It is not the job of any human to decide who goes to Heaven or Hell. It is solely the job of our creator.

    8th) Just because there are false religions, doesn’t mean that all religion is false. Also, people believed in God 300 years ago, Christianity itself has existed for around 2000 years. You have no right to assume everything will change in another 300. Even before that, there where followers of God waiting for the savior to come.

    Last — I struggle to understand how someone can believe that everything is created by the big bang. Science can’t explain everything and shouldn’t explain everything. The desire to know everything is a quality no human will ever possess. There are many questions science can’t answer now, and will probably never be able to answer. Why do we yawn? Why are more people right-handed than left? Why does each human have different thoughts? How are we able to produce thoughts and language and culture? I understand that just because we don’t know something now, doesn’t mean we will never know it, but we will never be able to explain everything, and that’s okay.

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    Mary Jo

    January 3, 2015 at 3:10 am

    Perhaps your response could be a bit more open minded. ALL Christians are mindless sheep? ALL Ministers are crooked? Only people who believe as you do are right? Personally, I believe this life is hard enough without ridiculing others because they do not look, think, believe as I do. Good luck on your journey.

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    January 3, 2015 at 4:32 am

    The same could be said about those who enjoy “convincing other people” there IS a god when someone doesn’t believe without hard facts. Science can, and has, given hard facts about the things it discusses by testing, retesting, and then retesting again to make sure their original answer was correct. With belief in God, everything is taken on “faith” regardless of facts. I don’t discourage those who believe in God, but when they toss aside facts that have been proven time and time again, then they are simply showing how ignorant they really are.

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    Sam L

    January 3, 2015 at 4:56 am

    I used to have the energy to argue with creationists in high school, but not anymore. I have exhausted myself repeating the same facts over and over, explaining them again and again, often to no avail. I respect the people who haven’t grown weary and who continue to fight. Those people help move our culture forward. Humanity grows more secular and intelligent with every passing day. Time is on our side and it always will be. I’m content with that.

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    January 3, 2015 at 5:19 am

    Hitler was a Catholic, you idiot. Explain that. Our country was 1st settled by the Pilgrims looking for religious freedom – who immediately denied it to everyone else. The Founders of our Republic were NOT religious. Please get your head out of your ass and read what Jefferson, Franklin, Madison, Adams and others had to say about religion and how DANGEROUS it was to have it in ANY FORM in government.

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    Roger conn

    January 3, 2015 at 6:20 am

    My religion has all the answers. It only has two commandments. 1. Give me 10% of all the money you make. 2. We cannot talk about our religious beliefs even amounst ourselves.

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    Craig M Mertins

    January 3, 2015 at 7:18 am

    Hey Josh – (Mr “I don’t defend religion, I defend Jesus Christ).:
    Nothing shows the obvious inability to offer a supporting argument for a stated belief better than cutesy semantic games. Try as you might, you cannot separate Jesus (Emphasis on the next word) Christ from religion. At least not without sacrificing any claim to intellectual honesty or credibility, that is. The very existence of Jesus is almost wholly dependent upon a religious text.
    If you have to try to make a distinction between Jesus and religion, you have already lost the argument.

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    De'Marcus Ibdul Jackson

    January 3, 2015 at 7:29 am

    I find you pretty petty.

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    January 3, 2015 at 7:53 am

    The people who wrote the original patronizing and pointless signs? Yes. The rebuttal signs just point out their stupidity and lack of understanding

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    Craig M Mertins

    January 3, 2015 at 8:57 am

    Paul Robinson – Wow. Despite the impressive number of words and the intimidating command of CAPITALIZATION in your comments, you still completely failed to construct a credible argument of any sort. But don’t feel too bad – instead just look at it as being wildly successful at failing to make any convincing arguments.

    (And before you embarrass yourself in the next reply, your attempt at deductive reasoning to prove a non-existant correlation involving “creationist sciences” is so laughable that it could easily be mistaken for satire.)

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    January 3, 2015 at 10:09 am

    In other words, you are so badly educated that you can’t even read a child’s science book.

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    January 3, 2015 at 10:27 am

    I was raised in southern Texas for a number of my formative years before becoming a dual engineering major, automotive tech., computer tech. even therapist at times. My grandpa was a Baptist preacher (no degree) and found God after struggling in engineering and giving up. He was an amazing preacher though because his words outside of Church were inspiring and encouraging and loving. I can’t remember everything I read in the bible or heard in church, but when I was about 5 I stopped going and even praying because life was getting harder and I decided that being afraid of an invisible Guy just to justify the wrongs in my life was not for me. I don’t know if the big bang is truth, I guess I slept through the bing bang lectures?! What I do know is that a strong support system is key to life… period. Jesus, Allah, Buddha… real or not… The best question is Does it matter? Maybe the words aren’t important, not even the message, but perhaps the congregation of people coming together for a common goal, journey or belief. I’ve spent my life trying to answer all the questions I could encounter, but find I that I’m only left with more questions… Everything in school is taught as theory, but yet I can create things, fix things, support people and seek the best truth for me. Science helps me daily, but so do miracles or coincidences or fate or karma or whatever you want to call it. So, do I believe in God…? I can’t possibly know something like that for sure, but I have faith in myself when I was 5 and believe that living in guilt or shame is not for me. I don’t know where I’ll go when I die, but my body will reach equilibrium (the lowest state of energy) and I will be dead. After, I will live on in what I leave behind on Facebook if nothing else (like with those I support). Those who don’t agree don’t get to take the energy that I could use to support a tangible cause, like homelessness or the 50th gen iphone. But, please, by all means do carry on… this thread is mildly entertaining, like a book I’ve read thirty or forty times that just doesn’t get old. The post was kind of funny, but could have been funnier, but the comments always get me!

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    John F

    January 3, 2015 at 1:35 pm

    @Zach wrote:
    “You have the choice to accept his perfect gift… Or don’t. He loves you any ways. And he will keep loving you.”

    …except of course if you are gay, have had an abortion, or are in an inter-racial marriage… then of course you are damned, and further we should enact laws and policies that remove some basic human rights, because this magic book written by money-profiting ‘apostles’ codified the ignorant thinking of their day into some kind of, what, law? Feel free to continue to rule your life by superstition and fantasy, but leave that belief at home thanks.

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    January 3, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    Atheist don’t have missionaries…. let that marinate

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    Cesar Vicente

    January 3, 2015 at 3:57 pm

    <– getting horny sapiophile

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    January 3, 2015 at 4:04 pm

    Not all pastots are like that. Mine is an extremely loving and loyal man. He and his wife have just bought their first house, while they are both in their fifties. They use their money to pay for a food ministry for people who need extra help. Also, you are saying that creationism is no different than the Greek mythology? If it is, why has it lasted over 2000 years? Why are we still readin the same words that were written back before Christ’s birth? Why do many people today still have faith in the same God? This is not like other ancient religions and mythologies. I hope that one day you will see that.

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    January 3, 2015 at 4:45 pm

    Please do not criticize my suggestion, but in regards to the opinions here, it would be beneficial to read the bible before making judgement. There are absolutes and truths that have never been proven wrong. A great suggested read for those that are seriously searching answers is the book ‘The Case For Christ’ I am not one to push religion, but I am so a peace and my life is complete knowing that I have found purpose. When disaster strikes like 9/11 or when cancer finds its way into home we cry out to God for hope and healing. And he is there. He will never leave us. And when we leave this earth, it is comforting to know that one day we will be together sharing his love. I write this out of love, for each of you…many searching for something more in life.

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    I believe in both

    January 3, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    These comments are just as stupid as an article. There is such a thing as religious people who also find some truth in science. Just because God made man, doesn’t mean he didn’t make science too. There has to be something rational world because that’s how he made the human mind. This article was extremely insulting to me in both ways. It instead of being patronizing and talking down to Christians, couldn’t they have just told the scientific facts that related to the question? I’m not trying to shove religion on anyone here cuz that’s not what being a Christian is. It’s trying to show people the Love that our God gives us… But everyone has a choice. God gave them that. And if they choose not to have faith in him then there is nothing I can do about that. God loves them anyway. There is such a thing as meeting in the middle. Finding an extreme on either side is not the answer and I wish people would stop fighting about it but that obviously won’t happen. The article, as well as the comments that I read, insult me. Not only that but they make me sad that people really do believe some of those things. Not all Christians are extremists, not all scientists are either. Accept each other. It’ll get you much farther in life too.

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    Not Her

    January 3, 2015 at 5:32 pm

    Love your response. Please keep speaking up. It is indeed tiresome, but I believe we can move people at the margins. (I believe it because of evidence from multiple repeated studies, not because it sounds comforting.) We need to keep facts in the conversation or young people will only hear the myths.

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    January 3, 2015 at 6:12 pm

    Likewise for people whose realm of understanding stops at “It’s God’s Will.”

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    Ed Saunders

    January 3, 2015 at 6:24 pm

    Not correct until proven wrong, but correct until shown not to be false. Big difference. Nothing is ever “proven” in science,only shown to not be false. Karl Popper’s Philosophy of Scientific Falsification (1915)

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    January 3, 2015 at 6:48 pm

    Science to me, is the study of God’s creation. God is also a spirit. The physical world will never be able to fully grasp God’s glory. This argument is redundant based on that. People who strictly believe in the physical world will never accept God as real without His divine intervention. It is their salvation and their choice and I love them anyway.

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    January 3, 2015 at 7:25 pm

    John, Do you REALLY believe that most Christians believe that if your gay or have had an abortion or are in an inter-racial marriage that you are damned? If so, you really should do some investigation. It just isn’t so…. any more than are the sterotypes about non-believers (i.e. those that say they have no morals.)
    While I’m at it… do you really believe that the apostles profited financially? If so, you really should do some investigation. Most died poor and as matyrs.
    AND, are you unaware that Christians have often been at the forefront of human rights movements (even if there are those who want to repress others – as there are non-believers as well)
    I’d be glad to provide sources to research on each of these, if you would like (a couple come to mind immediatly from my PhD studies in religion) . . . . but your wild accusatons and sterotypes are just as filled with fantasy and superstition as those you criticize. It really undermines your credibility.

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    Annie Hose-Ryan

    January 3, 2015 at 7:27 pm

    Bless you!!!!!

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    January 3, 2015 at 7:43 pm

    When someone I know lives In the belly of a fish (whale, whatever) for a few days you can convince me of the truth of the bible until then I’m

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    January 3, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    I have to say that although some of these ‘translations’ are good, quite a few of the questions posed are good ones, even if sometimes a little off, that deserved a good response not insults.

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    January 3, 2015 at 11:20 pm

    Could it be possible that Evolution and the Big Bang Theory were actually acts of a higher power, and for all intensive purposes, God? Not necessarily a Christian God, but some sort of Devine design? That is wasn’t just random. It happened for a reason. Just as everything does. Destiny? The universe? What ever you want to label it? Isn’t it really all the same thing? How come we don’t learn about the Golden Ratio in school? And that everything in existence forms in this mathematical pattern? We learn useless things like pi, but never are taught the equation that explains EVERYTHING?? And if everything can be reduced to this ratio, don’t you think there might be a reason for that? That maybe this unexplainable force is “god”??

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    January 3, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    I really do try and not point out something funny at another’s expense, but I can’t resist this one, and I will not name the author of the comment from which I took it, and don’t think anyone will bother to search for it. I did actually laugh out loud when I read it. If you didn’t notice it, here it is: “…calling out the Hippocrates.”

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    January 3, 2015 at 11:55 pm

    Chrissy, We need more people like you. People capable of free thinking and using logic to come to conclusions.

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    January 4, 2015 at 1:04 am

    The original project presented here was done by a different website; they didn’t alter the images or add any commentary, and left the reactions/debate to the people in the comments. The altered images on the right were created by a third party taking advantage of the opportunity to troll.

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    Kevin Skinner

    January 4, 2015 at 1:14 am

    Well said, I second that.

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    Noel Barcellos (BarZaTTacKS)

    January 4, 2015 at 1:56 am

    You da best!

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    January 4, 2015 at 2:16 am

    News Flash: Most Christians accept the fact that we evolved. Look up The Clergy Letter Project, an open letter signed by 12,000 Christian Clergy who support the teaching of evolution.

    Science and theism can coexist quite happily, thank you very much.

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    January 4, 2015 at 2:16 am

    They don’t mean to be offensive, they just want to show how silly creationists sound. How would you show how silly creationists sound in their shoes?

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    David Manhart

    January 4, 2015 at 2:24 am

    Your basic understanding of math is, of course, lacking. I expect you flunked algebra because you simple had different beliefs as to what the answers were.

    As to some divine design, if there were, he would be extremely incompetent. Having stars expand and engulf planets (like Earth)? Same thing humans. We still have vestigal organs left over from evolution. All humans have a tail during the embryonic stage which is absorbed back into the embryo. Well, almost all humans have the tail absorbed. People such as the singer Ke$sha was born with a tail which was cut off after birth.

    Do you really want to believe in an incompetent deity? Do you really want to stop science from progressing and figuring out the universe more?

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    January 4, 2015 at 3:47 am

    And folks who scam others into beliving in “faith” instead of reason aren’t boring they are scary, murderous thugs – like ISIS and The Lord’s Army in Africa.

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    January 4, 2015 at 4:19 am

    @kasondra: Hinduism and Buddhism are ancient religions. They both predate Christianity, and they both have adherents today. You know what the difference is between those and Christianity? Well, for one, Hinduism is an ethnic religion, and goes hand-in-hand with India’s old caste system. These ties to the social system mean that Hinduism doesn’t spread far from South Asia. Buddhism, on the other hand – while also a universalizing religion, like Christianity – doesn’t have a long, detailed history of forcing (via Crusades and conquest) its “religion of peace” on people who have no interest in it. These aforementioned conquests are the main reason Christianity is so prevalent today; European powers spread their religions to Africa and the Americas to “civilize the heathens”–because they, like you, looked down on everyone who didn’t believe in the Christian god.

    So stop preaching the “obvious” superiority of your God and consider, for just one moment, that Christians are only atheists about one less God than us atheists are (are three, if you’re one of those Christians that uses your Holy Trinity to argue polytheism).

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    January 4, 2015 at 4:45 am

    Wait… Some people believe in God (or the potential for an intelligent design) who also payed attention in science classes. Understanding is not equal to agreement. I am free to view the evidence and draw my own conclusions and so are you. Frankly, this is VERY patronizing- by definition- despite the fact that I consider it hilarious. All of this reeks of blatant disregard for all schools of thought but your own. Which is well within your (and their) rights, but don’t tell me it’s not patronizing. Also, it’s insulting to me that I- as a believer of such things- am automatically an Idiot in your eyes. As a logical person, I don’t expect (nor practice) blind faith. I do, however, like my current theory and I constantly strive to expand my knowledge on the subject on both ends of the spectrum… Maybe instead of spending your time “dumb[ing] things down” for creationists, you could focus more on yourself and the holes in your own knowledge (of which there seem to be many). Knowing the theories on your end of things does a lot for strentghening my defense of my own theories. And hey, just a thought: Differing viewpoints are not necessarily mutually exclusive.
    Finally, being well-spoken doesn’t excuse the blatant disregard for a HUGE group of people. You just called approximately 32% of the world dumb. While that may be true, a look at some of the people defending your argument on this very site might reallocate a portion of those idiots. The attitude in the original questions from creationists is the same smug “look how right I am” attitude you’re wafting my way right now. Both are unnecessary and make me question both the intelligence and the maturity of all involved parties.

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    David Loewen

    January 4, 2015 at 5:43 am

    Could it be possible? Sure. I guess it could. Without any evidence pointing to a higher power, though, why assume there is one to begin with?

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    David Loewen

    January 4, 2015 at 5:45 am

    I don’t really see any good questions, outside of the girl asking about metamorphosis. Which ones do you consider “good questions”?

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    January 4, 2015 at 7:39 am

    The problem is that not everyone does. Many many believe the literal translation of the bible, and they’re making policy changes for those of us who don’t.

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    Hanna Barbera

    January 4, 2015 at 2:29 pm

    I could not agree more

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    January 4, 2015 at 4:34 pm

    Misuse of the word “evolution” Frank H. In terms of biology, “evolution” is a noun, not a verb. It describes the change in allele frequencies in a population over time (each gene has multiple versions in a population, called an “allele”). Modern evolution is less interested with speculating based on limited evidence where we all “came from” and more interested in seeing the genetic patterns shared and not-shared by seemingly related types of creatures. Its fine to hold faith to a biblical interpretation of creation (but which one, I may ask? exodus and genesis have conflicting origin stories), but to disregard evolution –evolution as simply “things change” — because you believe it counters your faith is a bit short sighted. Whole heartedly disregarding evolution as you and others have is also disregarding the breakthroughs in genetics that are finally giving us an edge on cancer, congenital defects, and viruses such as ebola. On a whole, it is very hard to disregard science ad hoc, as theories and explanation are interconnected. Scientists never ask you to take things on faith, there is no 100% true way to know where we came from or why we are here, but given the evidence –as a whole human race– this is the best explanation we can come up with. “In the beginning was the word” is often interpreted by biblical scholars as the source of culture is narrative — communication and story telling. Science is not a thing to agree or disagree with, it is simply a logical way to construct the narrative of the world we find ourselves in, based on the available evidence.

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    January 4, 2015 at 4:54 pm

    anyone else have to look up the second theory of thermodynamics on wikipedia to get the reference………yea, me too.

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    January 4, 2015 at 4:55 pm

    Science isn’t correct until proven wrong. Science is, I have an idea. Let’s test against it to increase its probability.

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    January 4, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    It IS boring. Mostly because the onus is on believers to prove there IS a god. It’s a philosophical concept called “the burden of proof”. As an atheist I don’t claim there is no god. I simply claim you provided no proof that there is one.

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    January 4, 2015 at 7:35 pm

    These “answers” made by “science lovers” about what the creationists are really saying are complete garbage. All this article is doing is promoting a close scientific society that hates and fears anything that isnt “accepted” by those in the “know”. You can love science and still be a creationist/intelligent design believer. how about trying to promote a world of open scientific dialog where people with radical ideas aren’t branded as pariah. The “Intellectual elite” are so sure of what they know and threatened by anything that could challenges it you get ostracized. Pushing the envelope is how you get progress and if it takes seriously looking into some crazy ideas who knows what you may find. and shame on you buzz feed for attacking those who don’t agree with your ideology.

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    David Manhart

    January 4, 2015 at 10:10 pm

    You may get a lot out of your faith in your religion. However…

    Here’s what you’re missing: This belief in religion is directly affecting us in very negative ways, and attempts are ongoing to make that even more intense.

    When religious types only tried to apply their religious restrictions and rules to themselves, I’d have no problem with them. For instance, we have Hutterite communities up here; never hear a word from them until they want to sell us a turkey. See them in the big box store, nod hello in as friendly a way as anyone else, that’s all there is to it. I’ve never brought them up before, and I only do so here to point out that friendly coexistence with theists is not a problem when they don’t try to impose their will upon the rest of us.

    However, the theist who doesn’t think liquor should be sold on Sunday and tries (succeeds) in making that a law? The theist who wants to put data-free concepts in the schools in science class polished up to *look* like science, when it isn’t even close? The theists who made the question do I “swear by god” slap me (and anyone else who isn’t Christian) in the face when I walk into a court room? The theists who want homosexuality to be a crime and/or forbid such folk the benefits of marriage? The ones who make law pushing the idea that men’s nipples are irrelevant but women’s nipples are cause for arrest? The theists who stamped religious sayings onto the weapons our servicemen and women use? The theists who made and support the laws that say an atheist can’t hold public office? The theists that fly aircraft into buildings? The theists that bomb and stalk abortion clinics? The theists of one stripe that tell those of another what consenting, informed adults can and cannot do? (polygamy laws are the poster child for this.) I could go on, but perhaps I’ve made my point.

    So until theists learn to keep their rules and restrictions out of the legal system and within their own flock consisting of consenting, informed individuals, atheists have every reason to object, and object strongly. And we will continue to do so.

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    David Manhart

    January 4, 2015 at 10:12 pm

    Living in the belly of a whale? Doesn’t Honey Boo Boo’s mother count? 🙂

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    David Manhart

    January 4, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    Because only one was actually intelligent. Does metamorphosis help support evolution? All the other “questions” were sarcastic. It is proper to meet sarcasm with sarcasm.

    There ARE such things as stupid questions.

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    David Manhart

    January 4, 2015 at 10:28 pm

    Couldn’t they have merely been calling out/pointing our the oath?

    “I swear to fulfill, to the best of my ability and judgment, this covenant: I will respect the hard-won scientific gains of those physicians in whose steps I walk, and gladly share such knowledge as is mine with those who are to follow…”

    Although the original oath was:

    “I swear by Apollo Physician and Asclepius and Hygieia and Panaceia and all the gods and goddesses, making them my witnesses, that I will fulfill according to my ability and judgment this oath and this covenant…”

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    David Manhart

    January 4, 2015 at 10:34 pm

    You are forgetting to includes the medical profession. They are the ones who came up with DNA (which proved evolution, which had only been theorized that DNA could prove evolution). And hey, why not attack electronic engineers? The are also “in the know” and might be trying to fool you too.

    Science is not an ideology. Facts cannot be equated to one’s personal beliefs.

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    Andrea Frazier

    January 4, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    “The ‘intellectual elite’ are so sure of what they know and threatened by anything that could challenges [sic] it…” Could we please just dispense with this assertion once and for all? If anyone feels threatened, it’s the creationists who have been challenged. The creationists have raised, and continue to raise, childish and simplistic questions that have been answered over, and over, and over. If they feel threatened, it’s because they don’t like — or aren’t capable of understanding — the answers they are provided.

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    weeble mcfartle

    January 4, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    Paul Robinson-

    Challenge accepted! (That is, if i interpret your incredibly incoherent post correctly.)


    Go suck a f*@k.

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    Andrea Frazier

    January 4, 2015 at 11:26 pm

    There’s Wikipedia for the lazy who need an instant reply, but we still have these things called “textbooks” where, with a little effort, you can find the same information.

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    Andrea Frazier

    January 4, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    I don’t see where anyone has told you that faith in God is wrong. The argument is about creationism vs. the scientific method. Until you understand the actual question being discussed, I suppose you’ll just stay mad.

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    January 4, 2015 at 11:59 pm

    I believe you’re missing the point here. It is not to disprove the idea that there may by a god, or even that it is the god that creationists believe in. This is being used to disprove the idea behind young earth creationism which uses blind faith in the bible in order to solve any debate rather than evidence or fact.

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    January 5, 2015 at 2:22 am

    hahaha, I love this, some people here dont like it because it pokes fun at their beliefs. Get over it people, its meant to me amusing, if you dont like the humor dont look at the page getting offended and huffy at others is a waste of everyone’s time. Just appreciate that people are able to post whatever they want online and leave it at that.

    that said, I wont be checking this page after this posts so arguing to this post is pointless.

    happy new year everyone!

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    January 5, 2015 at 2:40 am

    I tried to not give too much context and didn’t give enough. Here is the whole sentence:

    “Christianity was birthed from Judaism bc a Jew was nailed to a wooden cross by the Romans for loving others and calling out the Hippocrates.”

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    David Loewen

    January 5, 2015 at 2:55 am

    When one can show observable, testable, repeatable, falsifiable evidence of creation/ID, the scientific community will listen. So far, nothing.

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    Austin H.

    January 5, 2015 at 2:57 am

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    David Manhart

    January 5, 2015 at 3:14 am

    the1neuron I was trying to be funny. A doctor’s Hippocratic oath? Ok, that joke fell flat.. ba dump dum

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    David Manhart

    January 5, 2015 at 3:28 am

    But but it’s here in a book. The book that was thrown together to be the bible was done at the First Council of Nicaea in 325 AD. The New Testament was written (in chapters) between 50 AD and 130 AD.

    The words couldn’t be less than accurate right? That would be like something not being true on the internet.

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    January 5, 2015 at 5:37 am


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    January 5, 2015 at 5:56 am

    I just want you to know that there are many intelligent Christians and other theists who do believe in evolution, trust science, and care about education. Furthermore, not all churches are corrupt, and your disdainful generalizations are just as, if not more, insulting as/than you perceive others’ blind ignorance to be.
    I do not dispute the concept of blind ignorance and possible stupidity on the part of many who happen to subscribe to Christianity, and I entirely disagree with Creationism. However, that in no way gives you the right to insult me as both a Christian and a person dedicated to the pursuit of knowledge, just as I should have no right to look down upon you for not having the same personal beliefs as I do.
    This should not be a war between Christianity and Atheism, but rather a discussion about the importance of empirical science, and a search for ways to improve education nationwide.

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    January 5, 2015 at 8:32 am

    Well said! And you did it without being insulting or belittling. Good job!

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    January 5, 2015 at 8:32 am

    I didn’t try to make a joke. I just quoted something I found funny. And The theist that said it probably wasn’t trying to make a joke. They are either just a really bad speller or don’t know the difference between hypocrites and Hippocrates.

    I think the latter and thought it was hilarious. I do have a great sense of humor, that’s why I bothered to read the comments here, but each to his own.

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    January 5, 2015 at 4:59 pm

    Wow Chrissy, I think I like you. You just schooled everybody here.

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    Kody Thornton

    January 5, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    I really enjoyed your story and very articulate & well thought out comment. I sent you a friend request just to let you know what caused the request.

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    Mike Hager

    January 5, 2015 at 7:28 pm

    People who think there is a god are idiots I would never mention or achnowledge excpet that a lot of those idiots want to force their idiocy into government (i.e. Creation Myths in science classes, telling homosexuals they can’t marry, legalizing their religious bigotry, denying women medical care, etc.). When the etitled idiots of entittled christianity learn to keep their faith out of our secular government, things would be fine.

    Unfortunately, christians have no respect for facts and science (in the rare cases they do, it is vastly amusing watching the mental gynnastics thety have to go through to maintain their delusion) and it is the duty of their wiser, more educated fellow citizens to correct them.

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    January 6, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    The big debate always comes down to creation vs evolution. Why? There are far more fascinating things to debate. Who was Jesus? Did he really exist? Did he really fulfill a prophesy more than 400 years old? Was he really the son of God? What supports that claim? Did he perform miracles? Why would he willingly die a brutal death? Did he conquer death? Did he really come back from the dead? Who is Jesus?

    “Seek and you will find.”

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    January 6, 2015 at 5:13 pm


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    January 6, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    There is no evidence for creationism. Science has debunked the notion so thoroughly even the Pope acknowledges the big bang and evolution are true. And that’s the church that once considered the earth revolving around the sun to be heresy.

    Acting as if people are just ignoring creationism by making fun of it is just revealing your own ignorance. We’re making fun of it because at this point it’s just ridiculous that we have to continually explain it over and over and over.

    Creationism isn’t true. Evolution isn’t an ideology, it’s the foundation of the entire field of biology. When you argue against it, you’re fighting an entire scientific field whose results you use and accept every day. It’s like not believing that space is real and then using a GPS. That’s you every time you go to the doctors office.

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    Ilona (@isfturtle)

    January 6, 2015 at 8:32 pm

    I think there needs to be more clarity with regards to the word “theory.” This word means something very different in science than it does in the vernacular. The vernacular use of the word “theory” is more similar to the scientific use of the word “hypothesis.” A scientific theory is a proposed explanation for something that makes testable predictions and is supported by a body of evidence.

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    January 6, 2015 at 10:40 pm

    This comment is so blindly ignorant. I can only shake my head, as people like this are making decisions based on this mentality at the highest levels of our government.

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    David Manhart

    January 7, 2015 at 6:20 am

    Laughing at complete ignorance IS funny.

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    Hypocrisy is amusing

    January 9, 2015 at 8:00 am

    So… What about the Christian religion then? Those that -attack- those that don’t agree with their ideology? I’m sorry but you can’t pretend you are innocent and offended here when it’s the Bible-thumpers who have and continue to hurt people because they believe in a different Invisible Sky Daddy.

    I guess now you know how it feels.

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    January 9, 2015 at 10:38 pm

    Theory of relativity could explain the creation of the earth in 7 days: 7 days to a giant omnipotent being could be a Sagan of years. Along with evolution, could be the sculpting through generations among generations of selective breeding. Just because you are religious doesn’t mean you have to take in every word without any questioning on why it was said that way

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    Sylwester Kogowski

    January 11, 2015 at 2:51 pm

    I am not sure who is stupider – the Creationists that try to use logic to explain something illogical by definition?

    Or an evolutionist who doesn’t understand the science of evolution, only heard about it and later makes laugh from creationists while being happy that at least once he is a bit smarter than some others.

    Don’t laugh from others or you might be laughed from also.
    Did you had your 5 minutes?
    Stupid people are both among creationists as well as evolutionists.
    The influence of an answer to that question to our life is so minuscule that the bigger question is “why does anyone bother?”

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    David Manhart

    January 12, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    The stupidest would be you. Science is not open to “split down the middle”. I take it you are another who failed math and got angry with your math teacher because you “simply had a different belief in what the answers were”. And that the math teacher failed you due to your different beliefs.

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    January 14, 2015 at 9:27 am

    LOVE IT!

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    David Manhart

    January 16, 2015 at 12:23 am

    Wrongo Andrea Frazier. No scientist who is credible will assert a particular fact of science is beyond refute. The whole thing about science is always questioning and challenging what is known as fact (“conventional wisdom”). Just as Stephen Hawkin proved Einstein wrong in a couple things. Science is always advancing due only to always questioning and always trying to prove something wrong. They get accolades when they do. Just like someone coming up with an improved “mousetrap” (ie rocket science, computer engineering, larger hard drives, more fuel efficient cars, etc). However. Some things just cannot be disputed or improved upon. Such as the “theory” of gravity. Nor the “theory” of evolution. The facts and evidence are too numerous when it comes to evolution. If there was even ONE single instance, in the entire world, in the entire history of science, evolution would be questioned and all we know about evolution would have to be updated to take in account that single case. At one time, scientists had no idea that space would be a vacuum. They thought there was a thing called the “ether”. A real tangible “thing” going out through all of space (a kind of air). Future science was theorized that space would be a vacuum. And predicted that accurately. Same thing with DNA being predicted to prove evolution. And DNA evidence has proven evolution. When some upstart scientist comes along to prove conventional wisdom wrong, and succeeds, they win awards and gain deep respect among other scientists.

    The same cannot be said of religion.

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    David Manhart

    January 16, 2015 at 12:28 am

    Fascinating as in did the demi-god Thor actually exist? Or is Star Trek real? I am a big ole science fiction nerd for over 35 years.. I can get into a fun debate about “facts” of Star Wars (how could Luke Skywalker train so quickly with Yoda – it doesn’t make sense), but I know it isn’t real. The difference between you and I is that I can discern reality from fantasy.

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    David Manhart

    January 16, 2015 at 12:31 am

    It is more accurately a “this is the best we know so far, but it could possibly be improved on in the future”… The basic facts of evolution are as solid as the “theory” of gravity as I am sure you know.

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    David Manhart

    January 16, 2015 at 12:35 am

    As is laughing at people who think wearing a tin foil hat will prevent the “mind control rays” from the “Illuminati”. Scorn is appropriate when someone’s claim is outrageous. Would you not laugh at, and scorn, someone who said your particular god was really a human being who was a mutant with special powers?

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    David Manhart

    January 16, 2015 at 12:41 am

    Changing one’s religious beliefs is normal for christianity. Remember the time when Galileo was put to death for asserting the earth revolved around the sun? Or is that another fact of history you choose to be ignorant about? Unlike science, which constantly evolves based on new evidence, religion is always set in concrete. It takes centuries for christianity to finally acknowledge what science proves is factual.

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    Ralph Wolf

    January 16, 2015 at 1:36 am

    Actually, the intellectual elites *love it* when a radical new idea turns out to be correct!

    “Hey! Check this out, the earth is ROUND!”, “Not only that, but it travels around the sun!” and “Holly shit, it distorts space-time in the process!!” But my personal favorite is de Broglie’s conjecture that matter has wavelike properties. That was his (famously short) PhD thesis. Even his professors didn’t know what to make of it. They thought it might be some kind of joke. They asked Einstein for his opinion, and he said it was not impossible so they grudgingly gave him his PhD. 5 years later he got the Nobel Prize for it too….

    But the thing is, you are ignoring the “correct” part of all of this. The crazy idea has to be correct too.

    You clearly have an emotional attachment to your religious beliefs. I suppose that’s understandable, but you can’t defend them on emotional grounds by assuming (or trying to convince yourself) that scientists are motivated by emotions too. If you want your “theory” to be accepted it has to make some sort of prediction that can be verified by experiment. THAT is what motivates scientists.

    Faith is not what makes a cell phone work, or keeps jet planes in the air. Those things happen because the science behind them is correct.

    As a scientist, I’m not often wrong (a least about scientific things) but when I am I rejoice. It means I’m about to learn something new….

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    Ralph Wolf

    January 16, 2015 at 1:53 am

    Ironically, that little video helps to restore my faith in humanity….

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    J.c. Ryan

    January 30, 2015 at 7:30 pm

    I think it’s funny how almost everyone of the creationist/intelligent design has poor penmanship. Why is that? Does ignorance cause it or is it just a random factor?

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    January 31, 2015 at 2:41 am

    . . . “The “Intellectual elite” are so sure of what they know and threatened by anything that could challenges it you get ostracized.” Yes the ‘intellectual elite” are sure of what they know, because they KNOW it is based on years of studies and collaborative research of genius scientists who have all come to the same conclusion without having any agenda just an honest quest for knowledge — not because, out of a complete vacuum this omnipotent, narrow-minded, narcissistic, homicidal maniac (“believe in me and do everything I say in the way I saw– or I’m gonna burn your ass for eternity.” Really dude? That’s some ego man! How did you get to be all that? Oh, sorry; not supposed to ask, just accept this incredible, cruel blackmail.)

    Let’s say we lived in a world where no sense of religion in any capacity had been introduced culturally (because at the end of the day, it is just cultural; You believe what you have been TOLD to believe because you fear the repercussions you have been TOLD to fear. You have never really been allowed to think for yourself and you dare not question those with power over you.)

    So let’s suppose you were going on your merry way, maybe on a hike in the mountains you discover this book lying in the dust, you open it and begin reading this incredible tale about a man named god who created earth in 7 days, and that he was all about love as long as you did his bidding and if you didn’t you would be VERY sorry, Then he created Adam and Eve (who happen to be the grandparents of everyone who has or will ever live) in a beautiful lush garden, put a delectable apple in front of Eve, but told her not to eat it; however she just couldn’t resist — and well the rest is history — or NOT. Yet, let’s assume for the sake of argument that God is real. Why does he need to punish all of humanity for adam and eve’s mistakes, when he gave them free will and desires and then tempted them with a forbidden fruit. Seems sinister to me.

    So anyway, back to this book you found on your hike — you would have a good laugh wouldn’t you.

    It is not my intention to disrespect or ridicule those with long-held and culturally instilled views and beliefs– I would just love for you to do your own thinking; you may think you are but you are not.

    Oh, and one more thing, the “intellectual elite” are not threatened by anything and they don’t promise eternal torture to those who chose not to believe what they have presented. I mean really, what is it to them? They simply present their compiled work/data (yes work — not magic and mythology) and leave it up to reasonable minds to accept or reject it as they see fit.

    I had no idea this was going to be so log when I starting this post and I do apologize for being so windy. But look on the bright side, I could have gone on for another 10 pages but just got tired of the whole debacle.

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    January 31, 2015 at 3:33 am

    I am making another comment in order to resubscribe to this conversation. I accidentally unsubscribed and could find absolutely no format for undoing it. (I bet God is teaching me a lesson — old meany:)

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    Jason bills

    February 12, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    Just get over it religion was doomed the moment we figured out that thunder wasn’t Thor’s hammer. Let’s get past this and worry about the crazy people that are killing our kids or let’s debate the war on drugs and what it’s done to harm society.

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    marshall maxwell

    February 13, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    Hello, Annoyed, I will try to give a very honest and non snarky reason why there is heated debate, rather than just getting along. If society is to move forward, we need every child who has the mental capacity and desire to be a scientist to do so. The edge that america has held for a long time is slipping, as evidenced by us cancelling the construction of the hadron collider and it being built elsewhere. Creationism being taught in schools will hasten that decline. I can see this from a person who only has a high school degree but a fascination with science. I am not a scientific elite, yet I understood why the people who asked the thermodynamics question were off base. If children are prevented from being able to learn science in science class then that generation of children has been effectively walled off from science. This happening in the 21st century right before humanity is about to start exploring or solar system would be a reprehensible waste of material, manpower, energy, and lives of every Explorer that came before. THAT is why there is seeming to be a life or death struggle between people who want to push creationism, and, well, everybody else.

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    Matthew Crockett

    February 25, 2015 at 5:31 am

    It’s funny but I get offended by the fact that creationists are stubbornly convinced that anyone who accepts evolution can’t possibly believe in God. I happen to ascribe to the view called BioLogos (the belief in a Creator and the view that anything revealed by honest science is, by definition, “how God made things”. Nothing said by the “science lovers” matches my views on religion.

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    March 6, 2015 at 7:03 am

    Imagine you’re a science teacher in the bible belt. You’re coming up to that critical “Evolution” chapter and you know, you just know, someone is going to pop up their little hand, eyes angry with indignation saying “GOD MADE THE WORLD! EVOLUTION DOESN”T EXIST!”
    What would you tell them? What should you tell them?
    I’d ask them, “Why? Why do say that? Why do you believe God made everything as it is this very day? Is it because your parents told you so? Is it because the bible told you so? I can’t tell you what to believe or who to listen to. I don’t even want to. But i do want you to question why. Cause that is science. Questioning everything. That’s what archaeologist and geneticist and anthropologist and geologists and physicist and Scientists of all sorts do. Question EVERYTHING. They aren’t out there to “believe” or to “have faith”, but to KNOW. Even the word “science” comes from the latin word “scire” which meant “to know”.”

    “Well, i KNOW God exists, and the bible is true!”

    “Why? I have data up the wazoo that i can show you that “i know” evolution not only exists, but is happening right now. I could show you, over the course of a couple of months how fruit flies mutate and “evolve”. I have fossil records, and dna evidence that supports what others have said about evolution. Famous people, famous thinkers and tinkerers and men who wonder and question everything. So why? Why do you think evolution doesn’t exist? I can’t make you “believe” evolution exists. I can’t make you do anything really. All i really ask, as your science teacher, is listen to the evidence i put before you with an open and questioning mind.”

    Then the kid tells his parents his mutilated version of your speech and turns you into a bible burning satanist as you bang your head on the table.

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    David Manhart

    March 7, 2015 at 5:44 am

    That is not a teacher’s role though. I am a long life anti-theist (the Christopher Hutchins style). A science teacher trying to debate a child on religion is verboten. That science teacher should be fired. The role of a science teacher is to pass on facts. When it comes to religion, their role is only to present facts and try to get the kids into appreciating science. If a kid speaks out and challenges the teacher on the facts of evolution, the teacher must not try to debate the student and treat their beliefs on an equal level of scientific facts. The classroom is not a place for debate about facts. Nor is it a place to indoctrinate kids. That is what religious schools are for. Indoctrinating children instead of educating them is only permissible in religious institutions.

    The real life of teachers in America teaching science is not as bad as you are making it out to be. Except in religious schools. I would not be surprised if they taught that the sun revolved around the earth as the bible says.. But that is their legal right to teach that. Religion has a constitutional exemption in providing real education.

    I do understand your frustration. But you have to let it go. We need to focus on encouraging kids to have a love and appreciation of science. And astronomy. Sure, I want teachers to tell a child that astrology is soooo much bullshit.. But that is not their role. They have to stick to the facts and not get deterred.

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    March 16, 2015 at 1:15 am

    Honey, you need to watch the second reply on this:

    And the first and only on this:

    Because they better explain what I’m going to TL;DR for you: Better than you have tried and failed. Science has already gone down the ‘Faith’ route and came back with ‘it doesn’t work’.

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    March 21, 2015 at 4:40 am

    Your comment is complete garbage.

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    March 21, 2015 at 4:43 am

    Being a loser is somewhat funny.

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    Kevin Webb

    March 26, 2015 at 1:06 pm

    By that logic gravity is still debatable. Like evolution it is not. The ship has sailed. We do not continue to try to disprove the earth is flat. It makes no sense to continue to research IF germs cause disease, nor does wasting time proving, again, that evolution is factual. Here’s a thought. Prove creation. Scientifically now since you infer you are a science lover. Your opposition has done so with remarkable detail. We’ll wait……………

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    April 9, 2015 at 5:44 pm

    Because the crazy religious folks just won’t let it go. We’d love to move on but they just won’t let us.

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    David Manhart

    April 10, 2015 at 6:37 pm

    Yes!!! And, being a nerd, we need to make it feel safe for little girls to be fascinated by science and math and not discourage them.

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    April 21, 2015 at 8:34 am

    Can someone who is christian please explain to me why the Theory of Evolution is such a challenge to your faith? Is it impossible for you to find a way to incorporate it into your belief system (such as God creating the world in such a way that it can evolve?)

    Using evidence based science to prove evolutionary theory is not claiming that your God isn’t real, just that the world has developed and is ever changing. Sometimes people use it as an attack, but the theory on it’s own is not a bad thing.

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    Carrie Bubb

    May 13, 2015 at 2:07 am

    Why read it then? If you think they are bullies then you only validate their efforts when you read and respond.
    Me, I find it HILARIOUS. Believe or don’t believe, but the answers are really clever. Hahahahahahahahs

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    May 13, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    well said…enough

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    May 14, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    “Remember the time when Galileo was put to death for asserting the earth revolved around the sun?”

    Galileo Galiliei died of natural causes aged 77 and was buried in a Catholic Church.

    It rather detracts from your otherwise perfectly reasonable point when you get such an easily-checked fact incorrect.

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    May 14, 2015 at 8:51 pm

    The problem with this article is that at no time does it account for microevolution vs macroevolution. You can believe in God creating the universe while still believing that things evolve (Darwinism, etc). There is no scientific “proof” that multi-celled organisms originated as one single-celled organism eating another. Nor is there any “proof” that at one time there was a single star that exploded (aka the Big Bang theory). There is scientific support that organisms are genetically similar, but a banana and a human share 50% of the same DNA. I find it harder to believe that a banana and a human have a common ancestor than in a higher being creating it that way. And no evolutionist can ever answer the biggest question of where the original exploding star came from. It comes down to the original existence. Do you believe that something or someone created it, or simply that it “was” and go from there.

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    May 16, 2015 at 1:38 am

    Doesn’t every one know that you should not value wikipedia, due to the fact that anyone can change it…. It is not a valuable determination, of proof.

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    David Manhart

    May 20, 2015 at 5:23 pm

    Don’t YOU know that Wikipedia is peer reviewed? If anything written on a particular subject is inaccurate, even an inaccurate year, it WILL be corrected. That is the point of peer review. Inaccuracies get left by the wayside. The exact opposite of religion. Which is probably why you don’t like Wikipedia. It conflicts with the information you get from,,, etc…

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    David Manhart

    May 20, 2015 at 5:34 pm

    To Steve who responded to me regarding Galilieo.. Thank you for correcting a fact I stated which was not a fact. You are right. I was wrong.

    Galileo was tried by the Inquisition, found “vehemently suspect of heresy”, forced to abjure, and spent the remaining nine years of his life under house arrest. He was not forced to commit suicide as others were.

    Living under house arrest until you die for the unforgivable sin for teaching factual astrology, teaching facts instead of make believe, certainly is different than being forced to commit suicide.

    This is what is called “peer review”. The one thing that religions hates the most.

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    David Manhart

    May 20, 2015 at 5:54 pm

    Using those sciency facts huh? Are you not aware that BELIEF is just as valid as facts? And that math teachers are persecuting Christians when they flunk them if the student has the “wrong” answer? Darn you heathens! 😉

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    David Loewen

    May 21, 2015 at 7:03 am

    “at no time does it account for microevolution vs macroevolution”
    The whole “micro v. macro” idea is a creationist concept that has nothing to do with the theory of evolution. There is no macro- or micro-evolution. There’s just evolution. I hope that. some day, at least on creationist will actually understand that when it is explained to them. Maybe then. we can start down the road to removing these useless terms from the equation.

    “the biggest question of where the original exploding star came from.”
    1) There was no “exploding star”. It was all the energy in the universe compressed into a singularity.

    2) There was no explosion. It was an expansion of space-time.

    3) Big Bang theory has nothing to do with evolutionary theory. Two completely separate theories.

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    Donald Jaramillo

    May 28, 2015 at 7:24 pm

    Gimme that Old Time Religion!

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    June 3, 2015 at 7:47 pm

    Second LAW of thermodynamics. And no, I didn’t have to look it up. Learned it in college physics.

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    Reginald V. Finley

    June 6, 2015 at 5:21 pm

    The common theme is ignorance and appealing to figures that have no clue what they are talking out. Sigh…

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    Ultra Hateful

    June 8, 2015 at 9:57 am

    My beliefs are the same as your own, but it’s abrasive, crass people with pretentious arrogance that really paint a picture of modern atheists. Here’s something factual since you like facts as much as I do: You can be an atheist without being an asshole. I have a friend like you. You dudes make our collective seem like a bunch of pricks. Are you gonna try and presume to have an idea about my life’s events that led up to this post about you like you did with others you replied to? Go ahead. I’ll let you know if you’re right, the same way I’m letting you know that you have a shit attitude.

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    June 8, 2015 at 4:13 pm

    David Manhart, I’m sending you a hug. Thank you for being a voice of logic and reason.

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    June 8, 2015 at 5:00 pm

    Thank you David Manhart.

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    Douglas Mckeever

    June 8, 2015 at 5:11 pm

    @David Manhart – I suggest you read Andrea Frazier’s post again. You obviously didn’t understand it., making her last sentence particularly ironic…

    (I’m replying to Andrea, as I am unable to reply to David. Andrea’s op is a reply to ‘Annoyed’s post)

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    June 8, 2015 at 5:59 pm

    I don’t think it’s funny. I find it very sad that a fellow human being is kept so ignorant by the garbage that he, or she, puts their misguided faith in. All that wonderful potential wasted. It’s tragic.

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    Chuckes Tarone

    June 8, 2015 at 6:04 pm

    Are you are the New Testament was written long after Jesus was dead? That there is no evidence that the New Testament has anything to do with actual historic events.
    There is no, absolutely no contemporary written works that mention Jesus. Nothing written that is written about Jesus that wasn’t based on Christian preachers.

    So the answer to your questions is:
    Because religious people have no evidence for their religion, but evolution does.
    No. A made up figure. No. No. Nothing. No. He didn’t. No. No. A myth.

    Look for actual evidence if you want the truth.

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    June 9, 2015 at 8:59 am

    1) A reasonably well constructed MYTH. 2) Likely not. 3) No. 4) No. 5) Nothing. 6) Just part of #1. 7) No. 8) No. 9), Already answered by #1.

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    Joe U

    June 9, 2015 at 5:06 pm

    Until the rationally-minded population recognizes that the creationists/ideologue/intuitively-dominated population is simply brain-wired differently, this silly “debate” will proceed indefinitely and without resolution. We should be spending more time discussing this physiological difference instead of the rationality of the existence of a “god/creator/master-designer”. We have been talking past each other ever since before Giordano Bruno was burned at the stake by those of the same creationists lineage. Ask yourself what is your goal of this debate? Mine is to understand just how we really are different, and then ‘fix’ that so that we’re all wiser and can make progress without this horrible friction. If your goal is to simply bark at the opposition because it feels good to express your intellectual-disgust or self-righteous-threat/fears, then go ahead (but neither of you are going to “win”).

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    You are mistaken. Ted Cruz lives in America. Even though he was born in Canada.

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    June 10, 2015 at 1:30 pm

    Seriously. False dichotomy reigns supreme in the cultural hegemony that perpetuates it and enjoys the fruits of its political distraction.

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    June 10, 2015 at 2:30 pm

    Because debating how many angels could dance on the head of a pin is always more useful than using evolutionary principles to design new drugs.

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    June 10, 2015 at 7:05 pm

    On a bunch of the answers, the ‘science lovers’ advise the creationists to open a wikipedia page.
    If you followed this advice too, you could have read: “Virtually all modern scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed historically,[f] and historians consider the Synoptic Gospels (Mark, Matthew and Luke) to be the best sources for investigating the historical Jesus.”
    Of course this does not prove that he is the Son of God, but it proves that you are as close-minded and uninformed as the creationists that you are criticizing.

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    Martin James

    June 10, 2015 at 7:29 pm

    Evolutionary biologist working at a world renowned research institution here. While evolution is a theory, theories are not by definition untestable, unobservable, or unrepeatable. In fact, legitimate scientific theories need to be either falsifiable ( or to some extent verifiable ( In the former sense, when we can not test a hypothesis, that hypothesis unfalsifiable. Typically this type of theory is then referred to as metaphysics. It’s an important distinction because we could theorize that unicorns subsist on a diet entirely composed of glitter, however that theory is nonsensical metaphysics primarily because in the strong sense unicorns don’t exist or in the weak sense they have never been observed. Verification is a bit more iffy granted, and it’s typically not viewed in the same light as those ascribed by the logical positivists. Instead, verification by todays standards refers to supporting evidence, it’s veracity, and the reproducibility of that data. For example, say I theorize that gravity attracts objects of mass, and that objects of greater mass exhibit greater gravity. I can test this theory, namely by dropping a ball. When I do drop a ball it is invariably attracted to the earth namely because of the massive size and mass of the earth. I can repeat this experiment over and over again, and get the same results. Moreover, I could publish my findings and let other like minded individuals test my theory and determine if their observations are consistent with my own. To that end the scientific community is capable of produce large swaths of empirical data from multiple sources which all test the same hypothesis, and from that can have high degrees of confidence that their explanations for certain phenomenas are sounds and supported by evidence.

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    Martin James

    June 10, 2015 at 7:33 pm

    no the point of the article is to show exactly how meaningless the creationists points are. 1) because they completely misunderstand scientific method, 2) because they completely misunderstand scientific terminology, and 3) will completely ignore well-substantiated scientific theories not based upon any rational ground but solely because it is in contradiction with their religious beliefs.

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    Martin James

    June 10, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    Nope, there is empirical evidence supporting macroevolution. For example,

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    June 10, 2015 at 8:00 pm

    Common translation (except for the girl who asked about metamorphosis): “I don’t really want to know the scientific answers because they are a threat to my fragile, woo-woo-based faith.”

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    Martin James

    June 10, 2015 at 8:06 pm

    Also, the big bang wasn’t an exploding star. It was a singularity, and we actually have lot of convincing data that some sort of event like this did occur. The problem is that considering the limits of our current technologies, we can not experimental produce the amount of energy release at the moment of this event. We are getting close though, and as we get closer we achieve a more comprehensive understanding of what happened. Also apes and humans share over 99% of their genome, so apparently 1% makes a big difference in terms of development, physiology, phenotypes, etc. So it’s not entirely surprising that 50% difference could produce something like a banana.

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    Martin James

    June 10, 2015 at 8:12 pm

    stupid people think stupid things. smart people outsmart each other, and then themselves.

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    Martin James

    June 10, 2015 at 8:16 pm

    you fight fire with water, jessica. theocracy is all too common in our country. and i will not standby as someone with an illformed belief tells me they have a religious right to dictate policy to the masses.

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    Daniel Burnett

    June 11, 2015 at 12:09 am

    “You can love science and still be a creationist/intelligent design believer.”

    You can love medicine without knowing enough to be a doctor, but I wouldn’t want you to perform surgery on me.

    To get away from analogy, I’d like to mention that you cannot RESPECT the scientific method or its importance while still believing in creationism. Why? Because in order to believe in creationism, you must first ignore the null hypothesis, and that’s a foundation of the scientific method (for very good reasons).

    If someone says, “I love medicine! I also think a bullet to the heart cures all disease,” would you doubt they love medicine or consider them ignorant and dangerous?

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    David Loewen

    June 11, 2015 at 12:15 am

    The problem is that the gospels (like a lot of the rest of the Bible) are filled with contradictions, and, in at least one case (Matthew 28:19), probably forgery. Not exactly a reliable source. Add to that the fact that the only references to Jesus outside of the Bible (Josephus, for example) are also considered to be forgeries. Did he exist? Maybe, maybe not. Was he the Son of God? Show me evidence of God’s existence, and I’ll entertain the notion. Otherwise, I highly doubt it.

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    June 11, 2015 at 4:41 am

    Goddamn these people just look so smug and annoying!

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    John Petry

    June 11, 2015 at 8:54 pm

    It never ceases o amaze me when some Christians [not all] take a passage out of Jewish scriptures which is complete allegory, something Jews have knows for millennia and try to claim it is factual.

    They may as well take the story out of Lord of the Rings and do the same. It takes a special type of silly to ignore scientific theory and go with misconceptions of a creation myth originally written in a language they cannot even read.

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    June 11, 2015 at 10:16 pm

    While we are seeking, some additional questions. Was Jesus gay? Did he live with his parents most of his life? Did he like to party, turning water into wine. Were his BFF’s all men? Did he go out with them for his Last Supper? Since God has infinite wisdom, would God want a Son who procreates? It would be awfully messy having to deal with a bunch of grandsons and granddaughters of God running around confusing everyone.

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    June 12, 2015 at 1:46 am

    I would point out, though, that it’s not *just* “genius” scientists. in fact, people of average (or even below average) intelligence is quite capable, if they choose, of learning scientific method, biology, the reasons why we know things to be true — the decades of experimentation and observation, the refining of theories (the MEANING of “theory”). Heck, nowadays we even have calculators and computers to do the heavy mathing for us, if you’re not up to it. Combine that with free education form accredited institutions, and it is easier than it has ever been to become acquainted with actual science. There is really no excuse for anyone to not understand any of this, if they actually want to understand it.

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    Kevin Bealer (@kevinbealer)

    July 18, 2015 at 6:09 pm

    “The good thing about science is that it’s true whether or not you believe in it.” Neil Degrasse Tyson.

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    July 25, 2015 at 11:38 pm

    One line that could have been included in the right-side answers is “I really don’t want to know the answer because it is a threat to my fragile, blind faith.

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    David Manhart

    July 26, 2015 at 7:00 am

    An answer by the creationists should have been simply:

    “I am firmly unconvinced of all the science I haven’t read.”

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    August 16, 2015 at 11:28 am

    Annoyed, your comment is annoying. First, one is not typically a science ‘lover’. One accepts science for what it is, reason based facts. That in itself would exclude accepting any silly creationist/intelligent design ‘theories’. There cannot be any “open scientific dialog” regarding subjects such as creationist/intelligent design ‘theories’ as there is absolutely no scientific basis to that nonsense nor would they hold up to any proof or testing. I suppose however, that you could be a ‘science lover’ based on your love of technology that results from scientific discovery while having no understanding of it, while in addition choosing to believe in the folly of unscientific thought, such as creationism. Otherwise, they just do not go together.

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    August 16, 2015 at 11:49 am

    This is what we need to discover, why people believe lies and even when presented with the truth and why they will stand by the lies rather than admit that they are wrong. Most of these religious & political zealots would rather slit their throats than admit they are wrong. That is a problem we need to attempt to solve. The studies already show they will not change their minds, will not admit they are wrong, we need to discover why. Or is it just as simple as sociopathic or narcissistic behaviour?

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    August 23, 2015 at 6:35 pm

    I don’t see why creationists are hell bent on demanding that evolution doesn’t exist. It seems like a people willing to believe in invisible sky Santa could stretch their imaginations a little and say God created the universe and directed natural means to achieve its goals.

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    Dandan Callighan

    September 17, 2015 at 11:07 pm

    I don’t think any of them watch The Big Bang Theory 🙂

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    September 18, 2015 at 4:20 am

    No. Let me assist you. God ‘came up’ with DNA. Scientists only discovered it. See the difference? No need to thank me.

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    September 18, 2015 at 4:24 am

    I don’t go to the doctor’s office. You mean to say there is no “scientific” evidence for Creationism. The Pope acknowledging evolution makes it less credible to me, thank you. BTW, Science just decided the Big Bang theory isn’t right. Dammit!

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    October 25, 2015 at 8:50 pm

    This is offensive. The translators are not so much “science-lovers” as “christian-ignorants”. These translations not only portray just how little they understand about the heart of Christian faith, but also just how pompous and plain mean they are. They impugn the intelligence of Christian people of faith in order to defend their own faith in a cold impersonal set of “laws” (of nature), which by the way are misunderstood to have been “discovered” by scientists, when in reality were “invented” by physicists to describe observable regularities. What the christian-ignorant don’t realize is that they cling to their faith for the same reason any of us do, to feel safe in a chaotic world. But the reason their faith is so appealing to them, over the Christian faith, is because it doesn’t require them to delve too deeply into their own hearts. How can you be judged by cold laws of nature? So why worry about forgiveness since what we do is ultimately deterministic and outside our control anyway…

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    Bear Bear

    October 28, 2015 at 3:00 pm

    Well John, we all live in this world. I’m not sure what postulating something above and beyond it does to help us actually understand it. It’s really not about faith what-so-ever. It’s about knowledge. I know that a human baby can not be born from a virgin. It’s a physiological impossibility for many many reasons. I assume if a tabloid reported that a baby had been born from a virgin, you would think the same thing that I think. Specifically, that it’s a bunch of nonsense. So when you turn around and make some weird exception to that rule and for some event that there are no historical witnesses to, then yes I have the duty as a scientist to, as you say, impugn your intelligence. You can believe whatever it is you want to believe. But you have no reasonable expectation that I should believe the same, unless that is there is evidence to support what you’re saying is true.

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    Bear Bear

    October 28, 2015 at 3:05 pm

    The metamorphosis one is interesting, but we have observed and can reliable replicate macroevolutionary events in yeast, e.g., the molecular shift to multicellular & diploid organism.

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    November 30, 2015 at 11:36 pm

    Donald which old time religion do you mean since pagan religions existed long before any christian or judeaic based religion

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    November 30, 2015 at 11:39 pm

    therandjerandje lease post credible proof of god existing and than post which exact God of the thousands you mean

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    @Annoyed: “You can love science and still be a creationist/intelligent design believer. how about trying to promote a world of open scientific dialog where people with radical ideas aren’t branded as pariah.”

    Ooh, looks fun! Let me play!

    “You can love chemistry and still be an Alchemist. how about trying to promote a world of open scientific dialog where people seeking alicorn-based elixirs of invisibility aren’t branded as pariah.”

    “You can love reason and still be a Witchcraft/Voodoo practitioner. how about trying to promote a world of open scientific dialog where people casting the Evil Eye through fetish dolls aren’t branded as pariah.”

    “You can love fact and still be an Alien Yeti Vampire theorist. how about trying to promote a world of open scientific dialog where people wearing Garlic-Infused Crystal Pyramid Helmets of Protection aren’t branded as pariah.”

    This is fun! Am I doing it right?

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    David Manhart

    December 6, 2015 at 7:52 pm

    Sure.. But I think you forget to add….


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    William LaRue

    December 27, 2015 at 8:48 pm

    The idea that there is an “elite” that defends itself against qualified questions is just another way to state that we should celebrate ignorance and stupidity. If you can’t run with the big dogs, don’t cry that it isn’t fair. The number of people who post absolutely inane garbage that illustrates their astounding ignorance is huge. There is a consistent denial of reality coupled with an insistence that they are equal to learned individuals when stating scientific “facts”. This is just stupidity demanding that the public worship at its altar, and it should be ridiculed for what it is. It has no predictive value, and seeks only to enslave the gullible. Go sell your nonsense to the ignorant. It does not play well among those who have actually “done” science. Finally, the idea that anyone who is actually involved in scientific inquiry is threatened by you brand of lunacy is laughable, as are your “theories.”

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    Simon Peters

    January 6, 2016 at 9:13 am

    The difference should be ‘between you and me”.
    ‘Grammatical pedant’.

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    Simon Peters

    January 6, 2016 at 9:15 am

    Not clever, not attractive, and not adding anything to the discussion. Try to behave like a civilised person.

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    Bob Gonzalez

    March 13, 2016 at 5:31 pm

    To further expand on the Adam and Eve problem: if you believe the story, then Adam and Eve were created without the ability to know the difference between good and evil (Tree of Knowledge)- and they got punished anyhow.

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    Simon Peters

    March 15, 2016 at 1:49 am

    Shannon, simple answer – NO.

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    Michael B

    March 20, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    Not very scientific of you to slap a giant ‘NO’ onto a ‘Couldn’t it be possible?’ The only way to answer a question like that with a definitive like that is to have discovered everything about the universe and how it works, which we, of course, haven’t. Whether one believes in God or the Bible or not, there is most certainly evidence of a creator or creators.

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    Dave in Sacramento

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    If you had ANY evidence of some magic creator, you would instantly become a trillionaire and the hero of religion across the globe. Are you hiding this evidence?

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    Simon Peters

    March 21, 2016 at 2:55 am

    Shannon your statement “there is most certainly evidence of a creator” is just not so; that’s the whole point.

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    Martin Forde

    March 21, 2016 at 5:56 am

    Michael B. Ok, take your argument to its full conclusion. Is it possible that unicorns exist? I mean we dont know everything, so it must mean they exist. This is called argument from ignorance. Now in terms of evidense, the inclusion of god into any theory is speculative, unverifiable, and unfalsifiable. This is called underdetermination of evidense. E. g., the big bang explains the origin of our universe because the flying spaghetti monster makes it so. I cant just tack nonconsequential things on to the end of a theory because it suits my personal beliefs (i. e. principle of parsimony)

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    May 12, 2016 at 9:01 am

    Ever notice it’s always about how evolution is wrong? Nobody really asked creationist about their beliefs? As example, “Which creation story do you accept and why are the others (about 10) wrong?”
    How about. “The Bible sets creation to be on October 23, 4004BC. do you support this becoming a holiday? Why not?

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