Josh Feuerstein bets atheists $100K they can’t prove God doesn’t exist, atheist proves Josh is dumb

Evangelical pastor and Internet celebrity Joshua Feuerstein lives in a bubble. It’s a bubble so encapsulating, he can’t see how irrational it is to challenge his ideological opponents to prove a negative.

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Evangelical pastor and Internet celebrity Joshua Feuerstein lives in a bubble. It’s a bubble so encapsulating, he can’t see how ridiculous he looks challenging his ideological opponents to prove a negative.

In a video that blew up the Internet (mainly in Evangelical circles), Feuerstein challenged skeptics to provide “proof or evidence” that God does not exist. If they could, he will give them $100,000.

Here it is:

As infantile as his logic is, it’s also insulting. It’s quite clear that he has no intention of honoring this bet. If you’re still not clear on how this intellectually dishonest doublespeak works, DeadState will offer anyone $1,000,000,000,000,000,000 for proof that the Hindu god Ganesha doesn’t exist.

All this aside, Seth Andrews of the blog The Thinking Atheist responded – not with an acceptance of the challenge – but with a video of his own, entitled, “The Feuerstein Fallacy.” It’s a perfect and concise takedown of the tired and debunked thinking that Feuerstein is trying to resurrect.

“Josh, science called and said, ‘You’re doing it wrong!’” Andrews started out. “Scientists and non-scientists alike with any cursory understanding of the burden of proof, know that you don’t start with anything and everything that cannot be disproven.”

“By that standard, fairies exist. The Boogey Man exists. Plush time-travelling Teddy Bears in outer space exist – prove they don’t exist,” he continued.

Watch Seth Andrews’ entire rebuttal in the video below:



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    Charles Richard Brown

    September 4, 2014 at 1:16 am

    “God” is a meaningless word. Define it. Specify what you mean by “God” and I will be glad to prove it false.
    Disproving a general, meaningless term like “god” is not impossible, it is irrational.
    Make an assertion that is falsifiable.

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    September 4, 2014 at 1:31 am

    What an ABSOLUTE idiot! I couldn’t even make it through the first minute of that tripe.

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    September 4, 2014 at 1:32 am

    God and Nature are one. But since “God” is a widely misunderstood and misused term, Nature is a better term for whatever has reality. Everything that is, is Nature.

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    September 4, 2014 at 1:49 am

    In complete seriousness explain how or why incorruptibility occurs in saints?

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    David P.

    September 4, 2014 at 2:08 am

    Millions of children die every year. If that isn’t proof that there is no god, then its not a god i want in my life.

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    September 4, 2014 at 2:11 am

    Until the good pastor proves by reproducible, objective proof that this thing does exist, I will keep my wallet closed, thank you. Something tells me he wants my $ a lot more than I want his.

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    Raffaele Aquino

    September 4, 2014 at 3:03 am

    And let’s not forget how he is asking/demanding 20K to buy a 2K worth camera…
    As if he could ever cough up 100K and honor his side of the bargain.
    I think Josh only made this claim because he needs and likes the attention he gets from it. Plus, he’s over the top bonkers.

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:07 am

    Anyone with basic logic skills knows that you can’t prove a negative.

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:16 am

    Feuerstein is a complete and utter fool. I call him out in comments to his Facebook videos all the time, but of course they get lost among the many in ignorant agreement.

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    Beth Harper

    September 4, 2014 at 3:20 am

    Hugs to Henry 🙂

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:20 am

    Wax restoration. And low humidity. It’s pretty simple, really.

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:25 am

    Prove that Thor doesn’t exist and get back to me.

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:40 am

    First you need to establish that “incorruptibility” actually *does* occur in saints.

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:56 am

    Its all a fairly tale if you believe in fairly tales then god exists….but here is a challenge for this big mouth… I CHALLENGE HIM TO SHUT THE F UP!

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    Michael Moerland

    September 4, 2014 at 4:02 am

    Seth would make a good Pastafarian. May he reach out and touch us all with his noodly appendage.

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    MartinDean Sloan

    September 4, 2014 at 4:06 am

    This occurs sometimes in certain bodies due to natural levels of the bodies own chemistry. If it is only the saints it happens too, how come there are so many that have never been in a church yet have been found in the same condition? Your supposition that it only occurs to saints is erroneous and spurious though nice shot across the bow your aim was well off and hit your own ship…

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    September 4, 2014 at 4:23 am


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    September 4, 2014 at 4:25 am

    I don’t know why people bother. They should just pat people like Joshua on the head and go.. there, there. Yes that’s very good.

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    September 4, 2014 at 4:29 am

    Ramen to that.

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    September 4, 2014 at 5:20 am

    if you watched the whole thing you would have understood where he is trying to go with this series. all in all i think this is a good concept to explore.

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    Mystery man

    September 4, 2014 at 6:33 am

    Unfortunately the rebuff guy has the weakest points ever in terms of how I personally understand faith. The fact that he adds the notion of religion to the mix for Jesus is mentioned, which the pastor did not mention at all, already shows how much he misses the point. The fact that he introduces himself with his relatively long Christian resume is in itself lack of understanding of the fact that even a child just learning to speak can upset him with what the wisdom of God is all about. Any person who understands spiritually (not religions or God) would easily turn him inside out. If Mr rebuff guy picks on a tonne of what he thinks are imperfections in the intelligent design, he is missing on quadrillions others that might in fact be perfect in his eyes that may prove him otherwise. What is imperfect in his eyes is in fact perfect to nature. What we in fact see as perfect and imperfect are both a by product of what is perfect to nature’s own nature or state. And that is intelligent design.

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    September 4, 2014 at 7:17 am

    incorruptibility works because the cover, or death mask hides the rotting flesh. You aren’t seeing the flesh, you are seeing a saporified mask over the flesh. It is basically a soap that is created by the decomposition in reaction with the mask that is applied at the time of death. The roman catholic did indeed embalm their dead. Incorruptibility does not exist as a tenant of untouched dead flesh.

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    September 4, 2014 at 7:20 am

    Dumb as this guy is, he’s apparently making a killing. He gave up his regular day job as a pastor to take his Christian circus act on the road. He has a huge house in Fountain Hills, AZ and he is pleading with the masses to give him two thousand bucks for an HD camera. The house he lives in is probably being paid for by the masses he swoons, so I guess he is doing something right.

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    September 4, 2014 at 7:29 am

    Maybe he just tries to make a point? To be an unbeliever has just as much to do with faith as it has to do with being a believer. By the way – my guess is that the word god refers to the word good. What is god is what is good.

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    September 4, 2014 at 8:11 am

    You may be surprised. Check out his video:

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:16 am

    The thing I do not understand is the want to prove that each individual is wrong. When it comes down to it is it not based on faith?whether you believe it is there or it does not exist at all.why does someone who does not believe in a higher power waste the breath they have which are precious moments out of the existence they have on this earth because obviously they have nothing to look forward to when they die trying to convince someone they are right and yet the one that believes there is a higher power waste time and breath on them as well.why can you not believe in what you say and stop always trying to one up the other. We are all individuals and raised in our own way.

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    September 4, 2014 at 10:49 am

    What a simple challenge to beat. Here’s my answer:

    You cannot prove something doesn’t exist, when no one has proven that it does exist in the first place. That would be like me proving that Martians are not green, or proving that unicorns don’t fart rainbows.

    Please send my prize money to a worthy charity. Thank you.

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    September 4, 2014 at 11:22 am

    This is a scientific explanation? Nope, try again.

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    September 4, 2014 at 11:49 am

    It doesn’t. They were people, people have faults. Faults can be edited out of stories.

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    Kyle Rayner

    September 4, 2014 at 11:59 am

    there are so many others found in the same condition? Thst have never been to church? where?

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    Rich J

    September 4, 2014 at 12:14 pm

    No conversion here.

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    September 4, 2014 at 12:48 pm

    Ignosticism. Me likey.

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    September 4, 2014 at 1:41 pm

    Atheists and religious fundamentalists are two sides of the same coin. They both think religion is a set of intellectual propositions that are either true or false. They are both wrong. Religion is a practice, like eating a good diet, or talking with a friend. Religion is not a set of propositions.

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    September 4, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    Seeing as he believes in the ‘one true God’, he doesn’t believe in Ganesh…..
    What level of proof does he deem acceptable that his disbelief is not in error?
    I only ask as it would seem hypocritical if he applied a different standard to others?

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:00 pm


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    Persephone Sixty-Six

    September 4, 2014 at 3:13 pm

    Yeah I did a response to him too.

    I don’t think he has paid anyone out.

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:34 pm


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    Bill Fisher (Pop Pop)

    September 4, 2014 at 3:35 pm

    Seth, I wish I could speak as clearly and calmly as you. Unfortunately, I have no patience for idiots who reject facts. Please keep doing what you’re doing.

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    September 4, 2014 at 3:55 pm

    Catholics don’t even consider incorruptibility a miracle anymore… there’s a decent write up on the whole thing over here:

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    September 4, 2014 at 4:00 pm

    I know about letting his noodley appendage touching me… But I’d definetly high five him. As long he hasn’t been recently touching his ouch noodley appendage

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    September 4, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    Can this guy read all my books so I can hear his voice. It’s really soothing.

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    September 4, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    Jesus… Nearly threw up with how horrid his argument is.

    He’s contradictory to even his own beliefs in that god doesn’t manipulate free will, yet he has it written on the hearts (because hearts still control feelings apparently) of man that murder is wrong. Thereby violating the free will of those who may have otherwise genuinely enjoyed murdering.

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    Vinnie Bartilucci

    September 4, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    All those “Coexist” bumper stickers don’t always apply to atheists. As often as we see Christians claim to be amoral creatures who can’t figure out for themselves that killing another human is bad, I’ve seen just as many atheists state clearly that people with faith of any kind are brainless cretins. Bill Maher is a famous example, even this fellow had (or at least I inferred it) a bit of a patronizing tone to Christians.

    If I have belief system A, and you have belief system B, or no belief system at all, the response should be “OK, that’s fine”, assuming that those systems do not harm or injure other people, That last codicil is VITAL. A belief that people should wear a red hat does not affect me, unless said faith also says that people who do NOT wear red hats should be hit with sticks. A belief that a deity created the universe does not in and of itself harm anyone or anything. The harm comes when holders of said faith start to question, discount or attack scientific discoveries that suggest there was a more identifiable impetus.

    There have been and are plenty of scientists who are religious. If they are able to think only of science while investigating it, this is not a problem. Newton believed in God and had no problem coming up with the laws of physics. Yeah, he threw Indigo into the spectrum because he thought there should be seven colors, the “holy” number, but that’s a relatively small effect.

    If someone chooses to believe in God, /and they aren’t hurting anyone while doing it/ directly or indirectly, why is so important to some people that they be proved wrong? Would they get as insistent if a person has a rabbit’s foot or a pair of lucky socks?

    This guy is clearly more keen on changing more than just people’s belief in god – I’m sure he’s got lots of things he’d like to see banned because God said so. The, you should pardon the expression, extremists need to be taken down a peg and shown that they don’t have all the answers.

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    September 4, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    ha ha how does god or jesus feel about slavery? 🙂

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    Your Mom

    September 4, 2014 at 6:03 pm

    The scary part is that he is driving and barely watching the road while recording that video.

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    September 4, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Can you provide solid evidence that the Easter Bunny does not exist? or the Jesus Rabbit, or the Jacklelope? If these things get forwarded they need evidence FOR their existence. Acceptance of any god hypothesis requires faith … god is supposedly everywhere, god is supposed big … this need for faith and lack positive evidence is evidence against god.

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    September 4, 2014 at 6:09 pm

    The fact that god and religions are a strong function of local culture and historically time-dependent is evidence against an immutable timeless presence.

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    September 4, 2014 at 6:20 pm

    Its not the pastor thats dumb sounds more like buthurt they couldent actually disprove religeon for once. Ouch gotta hurt that one cant be absolute that there are no absolutes bahahaha.

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    September 4, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    Well, you can’t have it both ways, Charlie Brown. If I define “God” as “tomatoes” you CAN’T prove they don’t exist.

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    September 4, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    This is like asking people to prove Tickle is not a color.

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    Detryck von Doom

    September 4, 2014 at 6:55 pm

    So “God” is a completely subjective non entity. To me, God is lamp. I love lamp, therefore Imlove God.

    See how that works?

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    your an asshole

    September 4, 2014 at 6:58 pm

    Why because it actually makes sense?

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    Chai Choun

    September 4, 2014 at 7:07 pm

    good job Seth

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    September 4, 2014 at 7:11 pm


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    Michelle Durfee

    September 4, 2014 at 7:24 pm

    Someone needs to introduce this man to the Church of The Flying Spaghetti Monster.

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    Christian Aragon

    September 4, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    I’m here. God, Santa Clause, the Easter Bunny, the Great Pumpkin, Cthulhu, Beelzebub isn’t. Pay up.

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    September 4, 2014 at 7:29 pm

    Turned to Paganism many years ago. If you can prove my Goddess doesn’t exist I’ll convert back to Christianity.

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    September 4, 2014 at 7:41 pm

    It occurs due to the process of creating legends and a mythos that describes them as incorruptible, while in reality, they are most likely simply human.

    Prove that it does happen, and then we can talk about how it happens.

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    September 4, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Pastor ate too many Limp Bizkits.

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    Ken D. Webber

    September 4, 2014 at 8:24 pm

    The “God” in the Bible is not. The stories in the OT are plagiarized, STOLEN from the Sumerians and the Canaanites and all the names were crossed out. Plagiarism does NOT create a god. Enki, Enlil, Ianna, Ra, Marduk, Anu, and others had their names crossed out and Yod, Heh, Vav, Heh written in, which originally meant “supreme ruler” not “GOD” as you know it today. There is no “GOD” and never was. It is fraud and lack of knowing history. I want my $100,000.00

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    Matt Johnson (@NCMattJ)

    September 4, 2014 at 8:28 pm

    Ugh! So many radio voices!

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    Matija Pavković

    September 4, 2014 at 8:36 pm

    Prove rabid planet devouring space hamsters don’t exist.

    But I like the circle though. If he looks at it really hard he might realize something about himself.

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    Chris Alemany (@chrisalecanada)

    September 4, 2014 at 8:50 pm

    Earth to christian pastor dude: People think murder is wrong not because an all knowing all seeing god imprints it in their being but rather because people do not want to be the ones murdered.

    Occam’s Razor. Look it up, but not in the Bible.

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    David Gregg

    September 4, 2014 at 8:51 pm

    This is the same giant douche who has a go fund me account set up to beg gullible christians for money. Supposedly for camera equipment and an operator so he can spread his crap around the world. It’s interesting to watch this guy make an independent bid to become the next mega evangelist.

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    Kenneth Cummings

    September 4, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    That sounds a lot like semantics more than anything else.

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    Moe TheDestroyer

    September 4, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    I challenge this guy to not try and be Fred Durst…

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    1 – I am an atheist and I condemn the holocaust.
    2 – Hitler was a good Christian, so he wasn’t killing because of evolution, he was killing for God.
    3 – Atheists are actually more accountable for their actions than Christians, because an atheist doesn’t believe in asking forgiveness from a magic man in the sky.
    4 – if murder is universally wrong, why did God command people to murder hundreds of times in the bible

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:18 pm

    How christian of you.

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    John Steven Dutton

    September 4, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    Glad to see you are a thinking man Seth but I think you have missed the point of Christianity and God and have a very limited understanding of Science.
    Thinking ourselves wise, we have become fools. No one has the right to judge another and our beliefs come by experience. This life is a mystery and I know of no scientist who is intelligent enough to explain it. The important thing is to seek the truth and find it. Once we believe we have found the answer, it usually means our pride has taken over and we think we are better than we are. RELIGION HAS GOT NOTHING TO DO WITH CHRISTIANITY AND THE MESSAGE OF THE GOSPEL. Whilst I don’t agree in offering rewards to someone who can prove God doesn’t exist, I also object to someone who is an atheist because he claims that scientific evidence has proved this and our world is random. I object also to someone who thinks my belief in fairies as ridiculous!
    Get a life, both of you. Jesus claimed that the route to abundant life was through Him. If you don’t want to travel that road then it’s your choice but Jesus was either who he said he was or an imposter. That’s what everything always hinges on in this world: the truth…and I believe if we are willing to seek it, the Great Designer will enable us to find it.

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:23 pm

    Okay I am not really on either side, but of these guys are blow hards. Neither of them used correct facts or proper arguments in their debate. They both should shut up.

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:31 pm

    There is plenty of scientific evidence for the existence of God, but not conclusive proof. Atheists will never be satisfied with the evidence for 2 reasons. First they prefer their sinful lifestyles and do not want to be accountable to God. Second they demand absolute proof that does not exist because God is not part of the physical universe.

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:33 pm

    Absolute belief and absolute truth… two VERY different things…

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:44 pm

    can he please fix his glasses?

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    September 4, 2014 at 9:58 pm

    Agreed Michael. I wear my FSM pendant proudly to remind me of why the Argument from ignorance is never to be used. It never ceases to amaze me when someone in such a public role commits a basic logical fallacy that even a freshman Philosophy student knows not to make.

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    September 4, 2014 at 10:38 pm

    Well said Seth. One can only hope at least a few of Pastor Josh’s most ardent followers listen to you argument. What i find incredible is that although most of your questions are moot or are unanswerable by a Christian, they will just tra la la on by with, “well, you gotta have faith”

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    Brian Spence

    September 4, 2014 at 10:42 pm

    Fred Durst looks like shit.

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    long john

    September 4, 2014 at 11:04 pm

    $100.000.00 please, look there is prove, i did as bible said and nothing, ergo its bullshit, ergo God doesnt exist.

    “If you ask anything in My name, I will do it.” (John 14:14)

    im asking nothing, maybe im doing it wrong, you do it, if you cant, means its bullshit, proof of no existence of your god, gimme the money

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    September 4, 2014 at 11:16 pm

    I have to say I disagree with his claim about he hopes that people start getting their information from scientists rather than pastors. While I agree that scientists are preferable to pastors (on all things scientific that is) I still think that it’s better to attain knowledge through a process; the scientific method. Getting, trusting, and believing what someone says just because they are a scientist is still just an appeal to authority.

    Teach people how to evaluate information for themselves.

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    September 4, 2014 at 11:37 pm

    this dudes fred durst hat offends me.

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    John O'neill

    September 4, 2014 at 11:42 pm

    A small part of me kinda hopes Care Bears are real….

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    Mike Hamilton

    September 4, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    Throwing non-believers under the bus for the Holocaust is a joke. How many people have been killed in religious wars? The Crusades? Spanish Inquisition? The list of people killed because of Christian intolerance is staggering

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    September 4, 2014 at 11:56 pm

    I will pay him 100,000 if he can prove to me God DOES exist

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:05 am

    What fine journalism…tell me about more idiotic things. I’m sure I’ll feel better about myself…..

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:16 am

    So are you saying the Lenin is a saint? Or are you going to admit you know nothing about embalming?

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:34 am

    I would love to know who actually is the Judge of what’s proving false and what’s not…

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:50 am

    You’re the fool here if you couldn’t understand

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:54 am

    okay. Jesus. Lets hear it.

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:56 am

    I think its funny how riled up this has everyone. Is the idea of God really so offensive?

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    Jamie Cooper

    September 5, 2014 at 1:04 am

    Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then He is not omnipotent. Is He able, but not willing? Then He is malevolent. Is He both able and willing? Then whence cometh evil? Is He neither able nor willing? Then why call Him God?

    Epicurus (c. 341 – c. 270 BC)

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    edward coleman

    September 5, 2014 at 1:18 am

    all i can say is, i didn’t ask to be born, and i’m not gonna ask to die. who was in control of that action?

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    September 5, 2014 at 1:45 am

    He sounds like a carnival barker, especially at the end when he starts begging for “likes.” Disgusting.

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    September 5, 2014 at 1:59 am

    I was referring to Feuerstein as the barker, by the way.

    Seth’s rebuttal was brilliant.

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    MarvinSherry Kramer

    September 5, 2014 at 2:08 am

    I love God with all my heart and have trusted Him with my life. I will pray continually for people who are blinded by non belief.

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    September 5, 2014 at 2:12 am

    He is such an idiot !! Can anyone proof that vampires don’t exist ??

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    chris b

    September 5, 2014 at 2:18 am

    obviously seth andrews has never read the right version of the revalations. which world war 2 was discussed, the twin towers was discussed and many other issues that have happend and will happen.

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    Denise Cole

    September 5, 2014 at 2:26 am

    And as a side note Pastor, murder is not illegal on a global level. Many Muslim countries allow men to kill their wives, daughters, sisters, and mothers for breaking laws. They have no qualms about this because their god says it’s OK. So when you decide to spout off about a global absolute, do your research please.

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    Jonas Green

    September 5, 2014 at 2:32 am

    I agree completely. Big ‘G’ God is never defined. Example – we can show evidence – that is by the Scientific method – that the Universe began 13.7 Billion years ago.

    If we believe that evidence, we reject Ken Ham’s God. — Perhaps a Deistic God created the Universe, as an experiment.
    By my definition of Deism that god can not be proven, or disproven.

    Perhaps a theistic ‘God’ infused a ‘Soul’ into a particular breed of great ape, on planet Earth. And that ‘Soul’, which can not be detected scientifically in this Universe, ‘goes somewhere’ on death. Perhaps that God did simple miracles in the distant, past. — a past so distant it has been lost to myth and legend.

    Proof of any of these ‘Gods’ rests with the claimant. Why do we praise belief in cases where there is no evidence to believe ?

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    September 5, 2014 at 2:53 am

    God is simply God. To define God is to limit God. The only limit God has if you want to call it a limit is…..God cannot sin.

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    Robert Clemente

    September 5, 2014 at 3:27 am

    The definition of “God” as agreed upon by western religion:
    A being that possesses 4 traits

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    Tyler Staskiewicz

    September 5, 2014 at 4:27 am

    God doesn’t exist because you are the determining factor of your existence, your future! All you people that think that god exists tell me this, if he is perfect and can make everything perfect, why is our world so screwed up? Because there is no god that created this world, this universe. If god can do anything, give him a task he can’t complete and tell him to complete it! Exactly! He is then stuck in an endless paradigm! This world is messed up because some people are messed up. We know not to murder because it was the way we were evolved. We evolved by watching animals kill other animals to survive but we know that we are far superior that we just eat animals and not other human beings. I challenge and one of you to go back to 9/11 or to when we invaded Iraq and tell me the whole thing is a conspiracy. Religion is the whole reason why we don’t have world peace! A bunch of imbeciles trying to force their beliefs on others! I also think it’s funny how when you go into church and they pass out the giving baskets so people can give money to god?!? Why does god need money? I thought churches were non profit organizations? How do those pastors get paid their salaries each year? Oh, that’s right! Religion. It’s a fucking business people. Not a belief or an idea. You all are just too fucking stupid to realize it.

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:38 am

    The latter is a complete cynic. Feuerstein is a low level communicator. Truth lies between extremes.

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:51 am

    The problem is this is what science and atheists do is say you cant prove god exists or doesnt exist so therefore he doesnt exist….yet when somebody say prove he doesnt those using the same argument in reverse say thats ridiculous and fairies exist or the boogeyman… problem is weve been through this whole planet and pretty sure we have never seen fairies or the boogeyman anywhere and there is not a history and a big book written about either of real

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    September 5, 2014 at 5:08 am

    God is a bush.. It burns and you awwww at the light like insects into the blue..

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    Al Wolf Stann

    September 5, 2014 at 5:31 am

    What about the spaghetti monster. prove he/she/it doesn’t exist!

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    Phillip Hustwick

    September 5, 2014 at 5:32 am

    I disagree. God is almost always used to describe an intelligent consciousness entity that at least created or started the universe and sometimes listens to peoples prayers. I wouldn’t call that definition ‘meaningless’.

    As to that definition not being falsifiable, that I can agree with. But that’s not the same thing as ‘meaningless’.

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    Jacob Erickson

    September 5, 2014 at 5:57 am

    I’m an agnostic, but with faith. I can’t be sure if God exists or not, but I think it’s possible and it would be great if there was.

    However, faith is not knowledge. No one knows god exists otherwise people wouldn’t need faith.

    With the circle diagram, I can’t prove God exists outside of the dot inside the circle just as he cannot prove that god actually is somewhere in that circle or other gods don’t exist outside of the circle.

    That’s why people have faith, to see what they can’t prove or understand. But faith shouldn’t stop us from exploring what we don’t understand. God is not an answer to all questions. We always need to try to figure out what we can’t understand or we won’t grow as a people.

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    September 5, 2014 at 6:42 am starts to explain how lost you religious people really are.

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    Samuel Mackey

    September 5, 2014 at 6:51 am

    Well, of course you can’t. He’s asking you to think for yourself, which is hard to do when you’ve been spoon-fed everything you know by people who claim an authority you are forbidden to question.

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    September 5, 2014 at 8:05 am

    Some one has been using their thesaurus.

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    Matija Pavković

    September 5, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Well 1st we have to take into consideration that spaghetti are food
    2nd no one yet has managed to animate food, bring it to life
    3rd as a man who is living close to Italy and eats Italian food I would not call it a spaghetti monster but mobile pasta service 😀

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    Moiz Omar

    September 5, 2014 at 10:45 am

    When will theists get it through their heads, that the burden of proof lies on them?

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    John Ca

    September 5, 2014 at 11:03 am

    you can neither prove, nor disprove his existence. It is called faith for a reason. I can not see, touch, hear, smell, or taste an alien, but that doesnt mean aliens dont exist. not saying they do exist. just as i can not prove or disprove that spirits live in other dimensions. I for one, believe in demons, have experienced demonic shit that has kept me up at night. if demons exist, than why cant God? Demons are just as believable as ghosts. you say you have a captured an orb, i who dont believe in ghosts say, it is a technoglcal fault. created by science. via the device or some play on light, or dust particles in the air.

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:07 pm

    For the record… The book of Genesis was written by Phil Collins. Everyone knows this.

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:13 pm

    I would love to speak to some of those 1000’s of atheists that converted after his previous video. Of course, evidence that they were actually atheists before-hand will need to be presented

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    Greg Wotton

    September 5, 2014 at 12:26 pm

    By definition, in an infinite universe anything that can be imagined MUST exist. Marauding bands of intergalactic space pirates MUST exist.

    This guy does not look as though he has $100,000 to give away. More importantly, he’s a crappy theologian.

    “IF” one accepts “The Bible” as absolutely, literally, true, then how exactly can you reconcile that each translation of this collection of books is vastly different? How can you reconcile the fact that even from book to book within the collection they are not consistent? (The Gospels paint a very different picture than the Epistles when it comes to Yeheshuah ben Yoseph.) Lastly, Hebrew is such a SUBJECTIVE language that the Torah itself has thousands of pages of commentary, argument, discussion, and exegesis to wrestle with what it means.

    The Torah (just the first five books) contains 613 commandments. How many of those are considered important by modern Christians? Very few. If the book is the infallible word of God, then you cannot pick and choose which laws to follow and which are inconvenient.

    The rebuttal often uses the word “Moral” and not “Ethical.” Oddly enough, a good chunk of our North American morality HAS BEEN defined by the Christian God. Not because it is written in our hearts, but because our culture and laws are Christocentric to begin with. What he means is that he doesn’t think we need “God” to be ETHICAL. Morality is based on Mores which are tribal and cultural laws and customs. Ethics are independent of them.

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    Corey Jay Garlow

    September 5, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    It’s so simple. Every possible event of every possible timeline exists as a single point in the 11th dimension.

    Everything is possible.

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    September 5, 2014 at 12:52 pm

    Wow. He really got under your skin huh lol. Insane

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    September 5, 2014 at 1:10 pm

    Right? Who the hell talks like that? I thought he was a WWE wrestler or something. WOW. What a moron.

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    September 5, 2014 at 1:54 pm

    “Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able?
    Then he is not omnipotent.
    Is he able, but not willing?
    Then he is malevolent.
    Is he both able and willing?
    Then whence cometh evil?
    Is he neither able nor willing?
    Then why call him God?”
    ~ Epicurus

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    September 5, 2014 at 2:23 pm

    This guy is a shit head… Everything he says sounds so idiotic! Every time he opens his mouth bullshit just pours out….

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    September 5, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    strong or unshakeable belief in something, esp without proof or evidence

    [ey-thee-ist] Spell Syllables
    Synonyms Examples Word Origin
    a person who denies or disbelieves the existence of a supreme being or beings.

    Seth, you said that an Atheist doesn’t just try to disprove A supreme being, but also other entities as well. According to the definition you have gone outside the boundaries of said definition.

    Not that I am on board with how Josh describes it. Lo an behold ANOTHER Christian denouncing and going on the attack of other belief structures. (Typical). How does this make you any less off an attention whore than he is. Neutral corners everyone. There is more than enough room on this great big planet for all of us.


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    backstretch hamster

    September 5, 2014 at 3:21 pm

    Fred Durst really let himself go..

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    Trend Guardian

    September 5, 2014 at 3:31 pm

    Dear Seth Andrews,
    Thanks for your response. I really think you made intelligent claims to Joshua Feuerstein’s video. However, please understand that both groups can talk intelligently without biases on intelligence- it is not fair (as seen in the title of this post) to start assuming one side is ‘dumb’.

    From your response, I doubt that you honestly sought the answers to these claims when you were a Christian. The arguments you bought up are typical atheist claims that have been refuted over. I am sure you were given answers before that you found unsatisfactory, I am sorry about that.

    Now, let’s talk about peer review, I was previously a scientist, so I won’t rely on claims without proof either, including religion. However, understand this, science has its limitations and it is not an appropriate tool to prove religion (same the other way around- religion should not be used to prove science).

    I have to apologize for the countless of US evangelical Christians making similar claims. All I ask is for atheists to be a little bit humbler.

    Going back, I want you to see this video about the head of the Human Genome Project, Francis Collins, a devout Christian (formerly an atheist). Joshua Feuerstein likely got his idea from this interview.

    If any atheist want to debate over faith, please do so with educated Christians, don’t pick over the weak ones so you can call them ‘dumb’.


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    September 5, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    did this guy really say athiests are cool with the holocaust?

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:06 pm

    So if we believe murder is bad = god exists. The fact that murderers exist means = god doesn’t exist?

    Man… are you lost in your own logic?

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:08 pm

    Enjoying your fifteen minutes, you monumental ignoramus? The burden of proof is YOURS, not those who don’t believe what you do.

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    God is real. He will not show himself to you until you ask him too and if you truly do mean it if you ask. I did not believe God at a point in my life. I discovered him on my own. I was not influenced by anyone. I simply prayed and I received an answer. I felt God move me and I felt him in my heart. It is a wonderful feeling that many people are missing out on. It is a feeling like no other, you can’t explain it. You have to experience it. It won’t happen unless you truly deeply want it to happen and ask. Just my expirence. Not trying to start arguments.

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:33 pm

    I believe in Gd but nevertheless this pastor is an idiot and an embarrassment to believers.
    The onus is on the believer to prove that Gd exists not on the atheist to prove he doesn’t exist.

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    The sacrifice of a child from the old testament is invalid. God placed Jesus as our sacrifice on the cross for our sins in the New testament. This atheist is a crock. Also most atheist think the Darwin theory is true. News flash its just a Theory never proven to be true.

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    My God carries a hammer, yours was nailedbto a cross. I win.

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    September 5, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    You people are all ignorant its not about proof. Its about all atheists trying to bag on peoples beliefs! No one can prove anything. Thats the point! Because atheists are always looking down on religion. It takes more faith to be an atheist than a Christian. Sorry I’m just sick of atheists bashing on a good thing. Who cares what people believe? Atheists believe life is random and meaningless, so let them believe that! Christians believe in a higher power and creation so let them believe that! Live and let live:)

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    September 5, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    “God” is not a meaningless word; rather, it means quite clearly three different things at any given moment:

    1. “I do not know, and I do not wish to know, but I don’t want to admit my ignorance, therefore I will invent an all-powerful invisible being and let him explain everything”

    2. “I know I’m responsible, but I don’t want to be, therefore I will invent an all-powerful invisible being to forgive me for all my faults”

    3. “I want to do things that any decent human being would never condone, so I’ll invent an all-powerful invisible being, convince everyone to believe in him, and say that he told me to do all these things”


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    September 5, 2014 at 5:31 pm

    Hitler was a catholic

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    September 5, 2014 at 5:44 pm

    Feuerstein is German for Flintstone. Just say in’.

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    John Shaw

    September 5, 2014 at 5:47 pm

    Google Zeitgeist the movie. That will explain the non-existence of your god. Now, send me my money!

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    September 5, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    Why do you assume he was taking a shot and not just asking a question?

    He didn’t say it only happened in saints, he asked why it occurs in saints. That doesn’t mean only them.

    Get overly defensive much?

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    Kenneth McCain

    September 5, 2014 at 6:07 pm

    How does a guy who still wears his hat like a date rapist and can’t afford to make a decent video have 100k in the first place? Here’s my proof: If there were an actual god who can see and hear everything that’s happening right now, why wouldn’t he compel you to spend that money on people who actually need it? Why is it that there’s never been a time of peace in recorded history on a global scale? What kind of god has allowed constant strife, starvation, hunger and poverty if he loved us so much?

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    September 5, 2014 at 6:37 pm

    I’ll see his $100,000 and raise him $100,000,000 to prove god does exist. The burden of proof is on the claimant, not the skeptic.

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    September 5, 2014 at 6:38 pm

    I want you to show me ABSOLUTE proof that god exists. That’s my $100,000 challenge.

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    September 5, 2014 at 7:13 pm

    That’s exactly the point.
    You can’t prove a negative, so by logical proceedings the Spaghetti Monster probably exists, and so does the invisible pink unicorn.

    We will never know if those things truly exist until they are witnessed in person by everybody. That is the only way we can PROVE they are real. Until then, they neither exist or don’t exist, they are in a weird Schroedinger-type limbo.

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    Nick Steele

    September 5, 2014 at 7:22 pm

    Lol damn a lot of you’ll are mad well if you think God doesn’t exist why have any of you made videos???

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    shea smith

    September 5, 2014 at 7:49 pm

    is it me or is the internet pastor the guy off of KING OF QUEENS…..js

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    September 5, 2014 at 8:22 pm

    I didn’t see the word ‘only’ in the text you are responding to.

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    September 5, 2014 at 8:43 pm

    While I take Seth’s side more than the other guy, I am having a hard time listening to Seth, not because of his philosophical views, but because 1) he sounds just like Glen Beck, and 2) he lives in his judgmental, ego mind about life in general, i.e. he’s negative. He clearly is upset about life and existence in general and it envelopes his whole attitude. I am not religious, per se, but I do seek and feel the presence of a great spirit, just as the Native Americans speak of. If our minds don’t want it, we won’t find it. But if our hearts call for it, I believe it will be found. It takes an open heart and it must be personally experienced to be understood. No left brain, scientifically based reasoning, will ever prove the experience, just as it should be.

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    September 5, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    From the position of a religious person i dont think very many people like hitler atheist or not.. this guy is an ass

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:14 pm

    I define “God” as that which demands honor of the highest degree, as an indefinite noun.

    As a name, I use it to refer to the First Cause, a Cause which is itself not an effect. Since we know that the universe is not infinite or eternal – it has a beginning, a forseeable end, and has only a certain amount of matter, energy, and space. Space and Time themselves are physical. Everything physical has a primordial origin, which cannot be explained. “God” is merely this origin. Whether it is the blind idiot God of Lovecraft, or the loving holy God of Christianity, the First Cause exists – that is a matter of simple logic, since eternal regression does not satisfy causality.

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    Dale Atkinson

    September 5, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    Fred Durst has really let himself go.

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:20 pm

    Funny how he is asking for money for a new camera but has 100,000$ for challenge….NOT. how bout u prove god is real!!!!!!! And ill give u 10$

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:24 pm

    “If he doesn’t exist, bring him to me in a bottle. If he DOES exist, bring him to me in chains!”

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:28 pm

    oh my goodness, i can’t even handle this man’s snowball effect logic. this is a joke.

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    God is a ‘Flying Spaghetti Monster orbiting Venus. He is also invisible and undetectable in any way. I’m intentionally being absurd to illustrate absurdity. Even having been defined, God simply can’t be proven or disproved. It’s not lack of definition that’s the problem. Werewolves and sucubi have been well-defined; however, no one can prove they don’t exist.

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    God and Jesus are 2 different things. I can believe in God and not believe in Jesus thank you. I know Christians don’t believe that but saying the absolute truth is Jesus just doesn’t feel right.

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:38 pm

    That’s actually true. “God” simply describes one of the many thousands of deities that mankind has created over the millenia. At least if you’re going to pray to a deity, you SHOULD call it by name. Otherwise, a deity like Loki or Hades might think you are praying to THEM.

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    Gayle Ford

    September 5, 2014 at 9:42 pm

    God is real because the bible says so

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:49 pm

    Saints were human. Humans “sin”. Shall I go on?

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    September 5, 2014 at 9:57 pm

    First off, I appreciate that Seth points out that it isn’t a war between Christians and atheists, because it shouldn’t be. I find the request for definite proof God does exist amusing, since Christianity is based on the promise that if you live its teachings, your life will improve. It’s a personal experience and truthfully, it isn’t the sort of concrete scientific evidence you’d bring to a scientific journal. If that sort of thing doesn’t suit some people, that’s their prerogative.

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    This is my real name

    September 5, 2014 at 10:00 pm

    Lots to say, but I’ll narrow it down to just one. The last thing Seth claimed was that if God were real, He would have already proven to be so in an unquestionable way. Well, He has. You just weren’t around when He did. When He first created man, there was no doubt of God’s existence. Adam (and eventually Eve) literally knew God in the most real way. The same way you and I know our friends and family. However, Adam and Eve chose to not trust God, and ate from the forbidden tree. Sadly, this ruined the perfect, unquestionable relationship we had with God. Since then, rather than unquestionably knowing God, the burden of trusting God has been on humanity.

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    Winding Roads

    September 5, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    What god? *boom* I just won.

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    September 5, 2014 at 11:33 pm

    If we all agree that we cannot prove that God does not exist, then why do we still teach that man came from monkeys and not from God as science fact in public schools. Seems like the freedom from religion group should put a stop to teaching evolution to our children.

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    Cactus Joe

    September 6, 2014 at 12:07 am

    uuuuh. a court of law?

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    September 6, 2014 at 12:26 am

    Absolutely well said, Seth! 🙂

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    Brandi Gauldin

    September 6, 2014 at 1:29 am

    Just because this pastor is foolish does not prove that all Christians are equally so. God works the way He does because He knows the importance of faith. Faith can’t exist with absolute proof. So God has left evidence that cam only be seen by the righteous or by the ones who need it.
    Who cares if your opinion is that the Bible is a fallacy, that doesn’t the change the FACT that the Bible is the infallible Word of God.
    It is easy to understand why the Christian faith wants more people to know and understand our Lord but what’s the point behind the atheist religion trying to make our faith falter? Seriously, answer me that.

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    Brandi Gauldin

    September 6, 2014 at 1:33 am

    The challenge was not to disprove god. It was to disprove God. There is power behind the fact that He has a capital G.

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    Dennis Sweatt

    September 6, 2014 at 2:25 am

    They get this from Plantinga: If a god can exist then he must etc.
    “In his presentation of theism, Plantinga assumes that an omnipotent deity can’t be detected by science and is therefore a part of the “evidence base” of theism. Under this rubric, evidence of an omnipotent deity cannot and will never be found by science. This latter point may be the only one on which he and secularists agree. Like the dogmatists of a half-century ago, though, he takes the position that this fact doesn’t even slightly support the conclusion that an omnipotent deity doesn’t exist. Instead, he throws out induction entirely and insists that only what he calls a “defeater,” or proof that no deities exist, would make science incompatible with religion.”

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    September 6, 2014 at 2:58 am

    It’s called “faith” for a reason.

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    September 6, 2014 at 3:03 am

    I believe the argument goes like this , man says “I can prove you exist” to which God replies “well proof would deny faith and thus defeating the point of my existence”. To which man contested “what about the babel fish?” ” I mean that creature of such utility proves you exist” to which God said ” I didn’t think of that ” and poof was gone in a puff of his own logic

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    Ron Moss

    September 6, 2014 at 3:20 am

    All saints are human and are all sinners, no matter how small the sin. That is precisely why we all need a savior, and that is Jesus Christ.

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    September 6, 2014 at 3:21 am

    You can not prove god exists or doesn’t exist. Faith is the building block of religion, philosophy, and atheism. If there was proof of either or then it would be fact and not just an idea or belief and this post would not exist as it shouldn’t anyway because the arguement from both sides is just retarded!

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    Will Burns

    September 6, 2014 at 3:34 am

    I could prove definitively that God actually does exist, but sadly doesn’t likely give a toss about either Atheists or Religious people because they are wholly irrelevant in the bigger picture. Which leaves both parties to just trying to be good people and make the world a better place.

    Disproving God would be a fallacy, though. Because then you negate the possibility of advancement over time, making yourself and this entire species incapable of doing better or gaining insight, which in turn makes the entire existence of humans futile.

    Funny thing about being able to actually prove the existence of God… both atheists *and* religious folks are wrong about it and neither would be happy with the real answer in the end.

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    Matt Stewart

    September 6, 2014 at 3:44 am

    Where does this guy get the money to offer $100.000 bounty. Going out and busing his balls doing a hard days work?

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    Ari Zed (@RezOKC)

    September 6, 2014 at 3:55 am

    He’d never have to pay up because there’s no way to prove a negative. He could up it to $1 billion, it wouldn’t change a thing.

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    September 6, 2014 at 4:16 am

    First of all, Josh should not be seeking a wider audience by posting videos. He should be sitting at home reading books until he is wise enough to make a decent argument.

    Secondly, Seth made several arguments based on a unstated assumption: “The Christian God loves everybody.” He does not.

    Psalm 5 says “You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness; No evil dwells with you. The boastful shall not stand before your eyes; You hate all who do iniquity. You destroy those who speak falsehood; The LORD abhors the man of bloodshed and deceit.”

    Sorry Seth, but If you seek to discredit someone, you first need to know who they claim to be.

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 4:25 am

    God does exist. Your inability to prove that he does exist should not be applied to everyone. If you don’t have a special connection with him, you ofcourse cannot prove that he exists. God and religion are different. If you talk about God and then have religion as a picture that comes your mind about who God is, the you are already lost. God never instituted any religion. A religion was instituted against God and God still does not tie himself to a religion but people do and have done so for a very long time. So because you see religions everywhere, do not ever think it’s pleasing to God. They are all here simply by his grace. This is because that is limiting his glory, it’s God in a context if I may of which as a matter of fact his glory is infinite. You can only compare Eithsm to religion but not God because God does not recognise both but recognises your connection with Him and not under what doctrine of faith you belong to when praising him. So what I can say to you all proud ethiest is try God. He is harmless and you lose nothing. Try the right God and then let’s argue. What you afraid of?

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    September 6, 2014 at 4:39 am

    Because the way science operates is that it accepts the most logical tested method up to date. Scientists agree that tomorrow evolution can be disproven. Now please read the whole thing and don’t stick your fingers in your ears. If you respond, address the points and why you think they’re wrong.
    The evidence for evolution?

    #1. Fruit flies. Fruit flies live about a day or two. Really short life spans. After breeding fruit flies for years under observation, scientist found that certain characteristics were passed on. Those who didnt possesses those characteristics died out; didn’t breed. As a result, the fruit flies that were seen years later looked different, albeit still being fruit flies, than the ones they started with. Multiply that for thousands of years, and what traits will be favored? Will the fruit fly adapt to having different traits? Perhaps lose wings when the atmosphere discourages those born with wings and favors the handicap one born without wings? It only takes one to get the ball rolling. Three wingless babies. Then they have seven. 100. Etc.

    #2 the fossil record.
    “But fruit flies still look the same, it just so happens the small weak ones died leaving only big ones”. The fossil records of early humans show that at one point, a different type of human like animal was alive. They were bigger. We ask (as most good scientist do) why? Why did this animals die and why are we here? One possible explanation is that we killed them. Or they died out. Although the fossil record supports the fruit fly theory (theory because as said, it was tested. We jotted down notes and saw consistent results through out tests) we can’t rule that humans haven’t just adapted to our environment, but have always been humans. Well

    #3 carbon dating.
    Through specific methods, scientists can vaguely date how long ago something died. A half life and decaying elements is something a chemist could explain better than I could cuz I suck at chemistry but the general gist is that when we compare whatever a half life is of elements found in humans to the bones of early humans, we see that they don’t match. That’s the bottom line. If (if because science is not arrogant to say “this is absolute truth”) this decay period is consistent, those fossils died out way before the earliest human skeleton was discovered thus suggesting that we weren’t alive at the same point in time.

    #4 the fossilized ice bubbles.
    Through similar methods, scientists can date the tempurature of prehistoric times. Why is this its own point?
    Well, when we look at the bones of early humans, they are big and much more Ape like. We see that the enviroment would have favored them and not us. In others words. We would have gone extinct if we lived back then. Too cold. Too many dead babies would not have made it to puberty to be able to pass on their genes of hairless skin and skinnier arms.

    #5 We know there have been ice ages and temperature changes.
    With tempurate changes, we can see changes in our environments. If the tempurature really was what it was all those years ago, Africa would have been uninhabitable in some parts. Humans would have had to leave some areas to find food. Here’s the thing about humans, we exert less energy than other primates. Thus, if consistent with #4, the environment would have favored bipedal walkers and those who walked on all fours would have died. (Thus we find their fossils of the humans that could not be). Those who stayed in all fours stayed in their area where they had food (why we don’t see Gorillas in California) and those who could afford the energy to walk, spread (why we see humans literally everywhere).

    So thatd the kid version of evolution that I learned in my intro to physical anthropology. Want to learn more? Read a book. Science accepts evolution because it seems the most likely as of now. Its based on empirical evidence, not random claims found in a book that we can’t verify the author. We have to assume it was written by who it says it was written. I could easily say “if we’re bad, we drown in the frozen waters of ishmed for eternity” but I’d be rejected by the science community for not being able to at least argue my claims. There are thousands of books on evolution and arguments the science commmunity deems plausible. They are open minded figures willing to accept anything as long as it is presented as possible. Right now, evolution holds the spot as the origina of homo sapiens.

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    From a Bear's Point of View

    September 6, 2014 at 5:02 am

    There is absolutely no fact to the Bible! There is no concrete evidence to support 99.9% of the events that take place in your precious holy book. When you can prove that your god exists, I might start listening to you.

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 5:21 am

    I am sure you would want anything you have made yourself to obey you. you would destroy it if it does not operate as how you designed it. However the difference between you and God is that God allows that He has made to defy his orders you cannot handle it. He does not intervene at all. You do not get it right if you think He intervenes. He promised not to after the flood. He will judge when your time is over on this planet. By the way, for arguments sake, since we all do not know what happens after we die, is it not worthy putting ourselves in the best position as much as possible? Follow at least that has an idea about it other than which doesn’t? Isn’t that what we do in our lives anyway? Why do you then fail to apply the same principle before death shows up at your door when you do not know what is there awaiting you?

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 5:26 am

    Mate, if you do not have faith in yourself and everything you do in this life you get no where understand? you have faith first and then the proof comes while your in it. its absolutely not the other way round. Its that simple. God wants us to prove he does exist by the way.

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 5:36 am

    You get it wrong brother. Very wrong. Find the truth by taking these words you just said and let me know if the bible in its essence teaches so. You perhaps just know of the bible but have not read it. What you just said here is like saying Islam is for terrorists just because you hear most terrorists come from that faith. Wrong perception my friend wrong. This is what some of us are trying to correct and if this is your basis for being an atheist then you perhaps do not understand atheism in itself similarly.

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 5:38 am

    Yet another derailed and misguided view.

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 6:20 am

    I have something for you my Friend. God has not yet given me a miracle in my life but I believe he will one day. Let me tell you something:
    First of all let me make sure sure you know exactly whatou are talking about when you say sumerians and canaanites.
    It is however good you have mentioned ancient Sumerians. Since the age man outside the Biblical context, the ancient man we learn about in traditional literature e.g Anthropology and etc show us that man always had the need to praise. Go and read texts about man in the ancient bushes of Africa and man in the ancient bushes of Europe, Asia and America. These are all beings perhaps around the biblical times but that are not part of the biblical context. They all had in them the need to praise something supernatural yet they never interacted with one another. Tell me where that instinct came from? Evolution?
    They praised idols, sin river ,earth and what have you.
    So did praise start with Sumerians? No. Canaanites, No. It started within every man’s instinct to so naturally. But how? I will let you find this knowledge yourself. But as a hint, the paster mentioned that something is engraved in us. You solve the rest.

    Anyway, this proves that the bible is not in fact plagiarised because it is not disproving that praising did not occur else where. In fact it proves the other way. And that’s the whole purpose of the bible to say yes, you got the instinct but its not exactly what you think it is, it isn’t the right way. It is in fact bigger, live and more Divine than what you do and practice.

    So yes, ancient Sumerians, Babylonians and Egyptians and others had the story before the Hebrews came into existence (Hebrews are descendants of Eber from which Abraham lineage starts) according to the Bible. O everyone had the instinct in them that there is something superior out there. Butt everyone only got the shadow of the tip ice berg if I may. But Hebrew version of that same story and then the New Testament version of that same story in the Bible came to show everyone the real tip of that iceberg and its depth.

    So you have a historical point but its not worthy your argument. READ THE BIBLE TO KNOW MORE!

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 6:37 am

    Those are acts of wicked men and God has nothing to do with it although He totally condemns the act and the men involved. God said He will never punish man again like He did during the floods. Although he became angry again at mankind given the second chance to mankind after the flood, He promised to deal with man during judgement day for Jesus instead took that punishment we could have copped second time around. He gave us yet another chance to do WHAT THE F WE WANT INCLUDING THE ARGUMENTS WE HAVE TODAY! But not to forget he is our maker and is always watching. Kapish!

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    September 6, 2014 at 6:56 am

    Why is Kevin James so dedicated in proving to Atheists that there is a God….why can’t he just be a good Christian and let people believe what they want?

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 6:57 am

    Errol, lets stick to the subject or you will never get anything right in your life. At least he quit his job to make a killing. What are you doing an where you at in life? I know my science and I know my faith. I am at an equilibrium at the moment where the 2 agree. The only difference with your fake ego self is that to me science comes second. It only proves already what I had faith about. A man without foundation is a like a tree without roots. If you wait to know first in your life, you will never get anywhere as satisfaction does not come from knowing, if you have faith you will know. Even a scientist has some faith that drives the to the know. What do you freaken have?

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    Bryan Maas

    September 6, 2014 at 7:12 am

    Really though you need to understand. The point of the video was not for the challenge. The money and challenge was there to get your attention. And now that he has, the whole point is to get you to know God. The real challenge was to seek God and become a better person. It’s not about who can prove what. Its about telling people about God and the people who want to listen will. There’s no augment here. The main point of the video just went way over peoples head (no offense) because people get caught up on one specific thing someone says and don’t look at the whole situation. Thank you

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 7:16 am

    Really? I wont go into that. That is why you have to fetch God to find him. If you think He will come easy then you miss the point. How precious and valuable to you is anything that comes in your life easy or for free? Well the proof that the Bible is 100% correct is all around you. You are just too blind to see it. Your own is one of those.

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    Theists are idiots!

    September 6, 2014 at 7:58 am

    I love how the people arguing against the existence of god have intelligent, fact based arguments. Where as those who say he does exist are mostly all limited to weak, opinion based arguments that are basically nothing more then “god does exist, the bible says so”.

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    It's just me.

    September 6, 2014 at 8:52 am

    I’m Atheist. That said, you realize Zeitgeist is an inaccurate joke, right?
    Don’t take my word for it, look it up.

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    just an outsider

    September 6, 2014 at 9:08 am

    I have to agree with The Thinking Atheist. The logic, overall, is clear. But this idea he discusses of an evolved morality – that is, some concept of universal morality (“evolved moral system”) among humans – is just as bad as the morality prescribed by christians. Science is as susceptible to bias as religion – the slant of both depend on the individuals who are interpreting them. As soon as you endorse a universal human morality, you can justify any crime against any group of people who fall outside of that morality. An excellent example of this is eugenics. Obviously, I’m not relating this gentleman to the eugenics movement, but it should be made clear that, among christians or atheists, absolutist systems of morality – especially when deemed the “natural order” – are the tools of oppression.

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    September 6, 2014 at 9:27 am

    Your all wrong. False God… And no God shenanigans! Odin is the all father! Live and die a warriors death! Valhalla is waiting!

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    Matt Hawkins

    September 6, 2014 at 10:01 am

    Agreed, the pastor is being a bit of an idiot, but Seth Andrews isn’t much brighter. Seth is basically asking for scientific proof for something that probably can’t be proven by science. However, that doesn’t mean God doesn’t exist.

    As William Lane Craig explains in this video, there are several things, (like God in my opinion), that are rational beliefs, yet can’t be proven by science:
    1. Logical and Mathematical Proofs
    2. Meta Physical Truths (“Other minds exist”),
    3. Ethical Statements of Value (“Killing people is wrong”)
    4. Aesthetic Judgements (“That is beautiful” or “that is ugly”)
    5. Science Itself
    All perfectly rational beliefs that science can’t prove.

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    Cory Scott

    September 6, 2014 at 11:17 am

    If there was absolute proof that God exists, then you wouldn’t have any other choice but to believe in him. Therefore taking away your free will to make that choice on your own. It’s called faith for a reason 🙂

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    Ari Zed (@RezOKC)

    September 6, 2014 at 11:28 am

    “You do not get it right if you think He intervenes. He promised not to after the flood.”

    So let’s pretend for a moment that what the Bible says actually happened. I put this disclaimer here because, frankly, I’m tired of being told that I must believe in Yahweh since I sometimes use the Bible to make or refute a point of faith in said book which is held by someone I’m speaking with.

    You minimized the flood narrative with a “well, there was this one time, but he promised he’d never do it again. See? Rainbow.”

    You do realize, or maybe you don’t, that you’re excusing an account of GLOBAL GENOCIDE – including women, children, infants, and the unborn. Christianity takes the most brutal act of premeditated mass murder and turns it into stories and songs for children. Children! “The Ark! The animals! Noah and his family! Yay! God is love!” Tell that to the hundreds of thousands of mothers the Biblical account implies must have been clutching their children as they all drown because some tribal deity thought they didn’t love him properly, or enough.

    So no, “except for this one time” won’t cut it here.

    As for your allusion to Pascal’s Wager, or, “Isn’t it just safer if you hedge your bets and believe?” I’m sure Yazidis are being presented with the same mafia-style deal: “Isn’t converting to Islam better than having us behead you and your family?” Only a beheading lasts a few agonizing moments and then it’s over. The hell believed in by Christians is a never-ending psychopathic torture festival.

    If a religion cannot stand the test of careful scrutiny and has to promise eternity on a flaming seat made out of whirling circular saws or whatever to anyone who doubts that it isn’t absolutely true – it’s a bit like saying, “You can let me have my way with you, or you can say no and I’ll be left with no other option but to trap you in my basement and rape you repeatedly while I methodically flay your skin from your body and apply acid to your bare nerves and muscle tissue. But, it’s your entirely your decision. Your free will. No pressure at all.”

    So no, I’m not going to “make it easy on myself” by accepting him into my life so he can protect me from what he’ll do to me if I don’t. It’s a weak faith that resorts to threats against those who would question said faith using standard logic and common sense deduction.

    “Make it easier on yourself, man, come on!” is not a persuasive argument to anyone but a genuine coward who finds his knees buckling at the threats made by ancient mythology. If I’m wrong and you’re right? Then I’m right too, because your god will be going Hannibal Lecter on me for ETERNITY for daring to be skeptical by using the brain ‘he’ allegedly made and put inside my head. It’s a ‘decision’ I’m happy to make because, if true, I’m on the right side by not giving in to a ‘being’ who meets all the criteria of a sociopath.

    Seriously, man, wake up from your self-induced coma. Judge your religion by the same standards you use to reject all the others. You’re smarter than this and you know it. You wouldn’t stand for the atrocities committed, commanded or encouraged by Yahweh if they were written in any other ‘holy book’, and you know it.

    Respectfully submitted.

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    Mystery man

    September 6, 2014 at 12:09 pm

    Well if u own something you expect it to do what you want not the other way round. We feel our lives are more valuable than what He expects of us. Yes call it Genocide. Research more of what happened here first it seems you don’t know the story in spiritual sense. It may have been genocide to Him too and he didn’t do it that easy but for the good the mankind we have today. Whether you like it or not, something owns you has a patent in you. God can change his mind out of mercy, grace and if you know who He really is, he will listen to your out cries but will not change his goal or purpose. I’m answering coz u have asked otherwise I don’t expect to convince u. And do not expect to convince me either. My faith works for me who cares if anyone says otherwise. I live and get along with most people just fine the only difference between us is I know who has a patent on me and I respect Him while you don’t know about yours. I’m not missing anything. I follow science too and love our knowledge build up. But that’s not enough knowledge to think God does not exist. By the way I’m talking God and not religion. Please research on the difference between the 2 because many of you are very confused by this. Man understand things clearly by labelling and associations. The labelling causes grouping and doctrines and in so forth. your arguments start from observing that which is already wrong but not that which is right. Find that which is right first and then you will understand what I’m talking about. I believe you have days you feel or experience something beautiful you have never experienced before like some awakening but it disappears too quickly. Well u will never know it might have been an integration point to know more but you allowed it to close coz you just didn’t get it. God is real and he said the temple in Israel will be destroyed 2 times and get rebuilt but it will take a long time to rebuild it after it’s third destruction but it will happen. You don’t read the bible like your reading a marvel comic. It’s spiritual and you need to let it in to understand it’s essence.

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    Matija Pavković

    September 6, 2014 at 12:45 pm

    No, the idea of God is not offensive but bunch of uneducated online preachers are. Especially when they are trying to be smart and use “scientific” explanations, they themselves don’t know correctly, wrong and in the end calling atheists stupid because we reject their logical fallacies.

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    September 6, 2014 at 12:55 pm

    If god didnt exist who wrote the bible duhh

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    Vic Casebeer

    September 6, 2014 at 1:39 pm

    most people have been brain washed by over-exposure to the god idea. So, the folks that do believe aren’t stupid, they are acting accordingly to what their sub-conscious and current information stream tells them to believe. I think the problem begins with humans attempt to understand the concept of “time”. religion kills be very careful.

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    September 6, 2014 at 2:17 pm

    I guess everyone that don’t believe will find out when they die. Good luck with that.

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    Corey Carnes

    September 6, 2014 at 2:42 pm

    Before leaving God muttered, “So long, and thanks for all the fish!”

    THGTG series has such a wonderful take on God. It makes me laugh just thinking about some of the witticisms that Adams used.

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    September 6, 2014 at 2:47 pm

    God obviously has not taught you any grammar or sentence structure.

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    Corey Carnes

    September 6, 2014 at 2:49 pm

    The point in the video about God’s omniscience not making sense with the outcome of his plan. Is a fact that I’ve been using for years in my own debates. That and the fact that if every single thing that exists, stems for God. Then at the moment he made laws, or rules, and made the breaking of those rules a sin. He then created evil. If he was so lonely that he needed to condemn billions of people to a fiery eternal hell, then I would argue that he isn’t “love’ as some want to believe, but the very definition of evil.

    If someone were to walk up to you and say, “I have a Dad that’s really jealous. If you talk to anyone but him, he will drag you to his basement. Torture you with fire, and deprive you of anything you want. You’re allowed to talk to me, and I’ll relay the messages back and forth. Oh, and there are these rules you have to follow, or he will stick you in the basement.”

    You would punch that person right in the face and call the cops. No, I choose to believe there isn’t a God, because if he were in fact real, I would spend every waking moment hating and loathing him.

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    September 6, 2014 at 2:50 pm

    Evolution is real because The Origin of Species says so.

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    September 6, 2014 at 2:53 pm

    Not one scientist EVER said that humans descended from monkeys. This is is an uneducated misinterpretation.

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    September 6, 2014 at 2:59 pm

    If there was a god why does he not stop all wars and people say he made the earth sorry wrong a planet is made by a another star exsploding not your so called god and the bible is a story book and there is more about aliens in the bible so you could your so called god is an alien I rest my case

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    Peter Thomas

    September 6, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Gitche Megwitch, Pidamaye’, and Wado!

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    September 6, 2014 at 3:29 pm

    But none of that is caused by him. It says that.. That is caused by our own choices and the choices people before us have made. Its the devil.

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    September 6, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Adam, and Eve told you this personally, or you just read it in a book?

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    September 6, 2014 at 4:49 pm

    Who are you to determine what your god wants or does not want? I thought his ways were unknowable by mortal men? Do you have proof of this? Because that’d be really neat to see.

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    September 6, 2014 at 4:57 pm

    No, my friend, you BELIEVE god to exist. Your own personal experiences are not proof to anyone but yourself. They are yours and yours alone. Others may have similar experiences, but that is still not proof of existence. Proof relies on observable, reliable, repeatable evidence. You go on about other religions but that’s not even the point here. You tell atheists to try god but that’s not something you can just DO, you’re asking for the extraordinary. It’s like asking someone to try the tea from the magical teapot that’s floating somewhere behind Jupiter. It’s harmless and you lose nothing. And the “right” god? That’s a whole different theological can of worms right there, and is not only not pertinent to this discussion, it is just as impossible to prove or disprove. What are we afraid of? We’re not afraid of a god, we just find the whole premise ridiculous and pointless.

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    September 6, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    1st off Evolution is a fact i have no problem with that, cause the facts show the Europeans where here at the same time as the Neanderthals, oops what happen there and we all know we still have monkeys every kind.. that would make the human the only thing to evolve and still have what they evolve from, And its so easy to blame god for everything that’s gone wrong with our world, but the fact is there is a devil too and he alone is responsible for the bad things that happen in this world, and that is why there are christian churches to collect enough money and send help i know this personally because i have seen it, i go to Revival Church in Menefee, Cal, helping the homeless in LA and locally is another thing we do, i can go on and on and its all possible by Gods grace, you can sit there and say there is noway a God all you want, not my job to change it, but i know the word and use it daily, you talk about you used to be a christian before, well i used to be a drug abuser i hurt people physically just cause i could i drank every night till i passed out the list goes on and on….everybody gave up on me, cept God and he showed me love and that i was lost……you can hit this reply up with a million reply’s talking shit about it, it makes no difference i know what i know and my relationship is way to powerful for a couple of lost orphans still all scared of the big world they live in, and try to knock what the people who are not scared o go, but we shrug…and if God asked me to take my son to the mountain and kill him, i would do as he asked, because i know my God is a loving a rewarding God and he would never let that happen, so the so called christians you say you asked dont know their Bible….. oh and funny question who wrote GENESIS!! in fact i dont think you even know that X~ Christian boy…i will help u its believed that Noah carried the Patriarchal papers on his Ark And the evidence shows Mose’s wrote it!!!! you are welcom..

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    September 6, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    According to the bible, “A woman should learn in quietness and full submission. I do not permit a woman to teach or to have authority over a man; she must be quiet” (1 Timothy 2:11-12). So be a good biblical literalist and heed that advice.

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    September 6, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    You know who really wrote the bible? Google: Council of Nicea.

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    Alan Mueller

    September 6, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    Faith is a powerful thing. Those that believe strongly do not recognize that their faith warps their reasoning. Atheists who claim to use reasoning to support their faith urk me the most.

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    September 6, 2014 at 5:59 pm

    not really any more info then we already know. Some ppl are born and taugh to kill, they have no remorse, that is because the way they were raised by their parents, that is why everyone is so different, different beliefs… too bad I was hoping for something else.

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    September 6, 2014 at 6:00 pm

    A book says that Adam and Eve knew god. Other books say that the world is on the back of an immense tortoise, that aliens walk among us, that mole people live in the center of the earth, that planets exist with dinosaurs still on them, that planets exist with dragons on them, that fairies exist, that fairies don’t exist, that the world will end in 30 days, on and on ad nauseum. Why privilege one book above the others?

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    September 6, 2014 at 6:29 pm

    How convenient that nearly everything else, given enough time, will eventually have evidence and reasoning for or against it. Yet god or spirits or higher invisible powers are the only things that escape this eventuality? Very convenient for those who desperately cling to a notion that might not even exist.

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    September 6, 2014 at 6:30 pm

    And you are called foolish for a reason.

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    September 6, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    Funny bible thumpers always trying to prove words from a book written by man is true never once thinking of the power you give to a group

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    September 6, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    Because the definition of proof doesnt allow you to prove a negative. You missed the point here dumb ass.

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    September 6, 2014 at 8:56 pm

    I’m not trying to persuade anyone to any direction, I believe that’s a personal choice and you live with whatever consequence or gratification you get out of it. I personally have faith in Jesus out of my own life experiences and he reveals himself to in my own experiences and in life in general ( prophecies). What I don’t understand is why people are so hateful or negative about believing in a God that only ask of us to love each other to the point that we would give our lives for a friend. See is not about finding our selves, is about giving our self to him so that we can live for others. Isn’t that what we all seek for? A better world for us and our children? But we are better off living for number one, ourself first, then take care of a brother? So even if you don’t want to believe in God or Jesus, why be so hateful about a Man who came and showed us a different way to live, so that we live for each other and take care of one another. And whatever faults we may have (which truth be known, we all have one) to simply ask for forgiveness and keep loving others. now why try to disprove this? What does any thing else do for us, make us selfish? Make us seek riches and materialism which you loose anyways when you die? What happens after we find ourself?

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    He who sees both sides.

    September 6, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    The whole concept behind the video here, is the nobody, Atheists, or Catholics, have any sold,incompromizable proof that God, or anything for that matter in terms of religious beliefs, or otherwise, actually exist. In my eyes, it would be wonderful if such a thing could be proven as fact, as it would clear up so many questions that have yet to be answered! But the reality behind it, is that we can’t. Nobody can. Can you prove that Adam and Eve actually existed? Do you have any solid, physical or otherwise, evidence? Does a book written thousands upon thousands of years ago, constantly being rewritten and reinterpreted, actually prove what is written within it? The fact of the matter is that religion is great, for those with the heart and commitment to actually follow it, but never will anyone be able to prove that such a thing has actually happened, or that, in your statement, Adam and Eve, actually existed. It’s just a theory. But science has proven time and time again that evolution exists, and is happening right now, though even they can’t say that it isn’t the work of, well, God. Both side, Atheist, and Catholic, have to understand that both argument, for both sides revolving around the concept of the existence, and divine intervention of God, can never be proven, until actual facts are provided. I am not a religious person, nor will I ever be, but that is because I’ve yet to see an actual divine happening. But even with that said, it doesn’t mean that I don’t understand, and respect religion as a culture.

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    September 6, 2014 at 9:10 pm

    Religious by bill Mayer

    Also nothing religious would hold up in court of law. Seperation of church and state. Also goes with teaching evolution.

    The circle thing he was talking about is decent but Christians have a smaller circle inside of the little one.

    90% of the Christian cult is stolen from other religions.

    Survival of the fittest is true. Not for hitler tho. That is evidence of the power of mind corruption.

    Christians love war more than anyone. If there is a war first people to go there are soldiers. Next people are Christians I try and brainwash more people.

    The fact that I can live my life happy knowing that there is no higher power is your proof there is no god. If you need religion to make yourself happy then you have a weak character.

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    Ramon Puente

    September 6, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    How do I get a hold of this guy. I want to speak with him.

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    September 6, 2014 at 9:41 pm

    U are right Wes. Seth know nothing about God.
    God set the rules in which people can come to him & know him. He set the rule because he is the creator & we are his creation. His number 1 rule is you come to him by faith alone. Not by reason or empirical testing, but by faith. He is the creator & for us human this is what He want. By faith.
    If there is a creator, then he should be the one making decision not as. And in this case he chose to be invisible, untestable etc….and US, the creation should comply, for the Clay can question the Porter.
    My challenge to Sheth is to seek to know God through the channel He set before us. By faith.

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    September 6, 2014 at 10:29 pm

    You can not use science to prove God exists, it is a choice to believe or not. “I have found he who so forward into the abyss is simply afraid of the light.”~Holyman

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    September 6, 2014 at 10:44 pm

    This guy doesn’t represent Christians liked myself and others who can explain why they believe in a reasonable manner. Please do not let him shut the door on any investigations you might be considering concerning the Christian faith.

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    September 6, 2014 at 11:09 pm

    I’m all for skepticism and critical thinking, but, zeitgeist is a horrible p.o.s. with almost no scientific grounding for its most ‘groundbreaking’ claims. It’s a terrible hodgepodge of fact and fallacy, passed off to unsuspecting saps who have grown weary of the establishment yet haven’t actually built up the tools needed for proper analysis. Question everything, ESPECIALLY things that are purporting to do just that. Zeitgeist is the “leftist” equivalent of Fox News– full of so much crud for people to eat up.

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    September 6, 2014 at 11:11 pm

    Exactly right

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    Brian Liveyourrevolution Bigham

    September 6, 2014 at 11:58 pm

    I stand in the middle. I’ve experienced things that have brought me to believe in a higher power. Things that I can’t really explain to others. However, I do NOT believe in whole heartedly in the Bible or any other “religious” book. Not do I completely subscribe to any particular faith 100%. The bible, especially the old testament, is packed full of metaphors and fairy tales that only served to pass down ideas and ideals that it, in a sense stands alongside a collection of mother goose tales in the fiction category. Even Jesus is questionable. Do I think he lived? Sure. Do I think he had great messages and teachings meant to help us become better as people? Sure. Do I think he died? Ok. Do I think he rose from the dead and ascended into heaven? It certainly sounds like fun. It also sounds like what HAD to happen in order for people to ever accept him as the Messiah that had been prophesied. If it hadn’t had happened, no one would have listened to him. Then again, none of these so called “Christians” seem to listen to his teachings anyway because they’re stuck in the old testament. So what did it matter?

    Anyway… the ole boy in the hat seems to know smack and the McDonald’s hamburger wrapper better than he knows logic and the Bible. He’s embarrassing.

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    September 7, 2014 at 12:40 am

    I’m sure someone must have said this already but I’ll say it also: in discussing the Big Bang Theory ( which yet remains a theory because it is waiting to be disproven but cannot entirely prove itself as fact) there comes a point in all scientific inquiry where science does not have a conclusive answer. I’m not going to break out my Astronomy text book but I believe that point is .06 seconds before the actual Bang of the theory. My astronomy teacher had an explanation, which I don’t remember, Doctor Who had one which was pretty entertaining and so did Futurama, as I’m sure many much better and more legitimate scientific forums have tried explaining as well. But in the end, we are as a species still trying to figure out what happened in that fraction of a second.
    So, think of all scientific advances in the same fashion. 2000 years ago, when science was witchcraft and the work of the devil, God was the answer. During the scientific revolution when we discovered the earth wasn’t the center of the galaxy, God still made the planets move. Then we learned about gravity and so on until the modern day where there are still many “mystical” phenomenon that science can’t 100% explain. Those fractions of a second currently being unexplainable.
    I’m a man of logic and I have an open mind. So if science cannot logically answer that last bit about the creation of the universe, who is to say that a God or intelligent designer didn’t pull a “set it and forget it” and get our universe going then leave? Or That is a theory that I can get behind and since you can’t prove a negative that God didn’t do that, I will wait until science proves what did.
    If course, that also means we could be in a snow globe in the hand of father Christmas too, but I wouldn’t waste my time on that.

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    September 7, 2014 at 2:36 am

    I’ll prove to you that god isn’t real. I’ll pray for him to strike me with lightning each day for the next 10 days; if I haven’t been struck by lightning by the 16th of September, 2014, that should be proof enough that there is no god to listen to my prayers.

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    September 7, 2014 at 3:01 am

    I’m athiest agnostic. I’m almost positive I don’t believe in anything.

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    Child of God

    September 7, 2014 at 3:11 am

    I simply want to say I would rather live my life as if there is a God and die to find out there is than to live as if there’s no God and die and find out that he does exist but it’s too late!! Jesus loves you all whether you love him or not!

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    September 7, 2014 at 3:34 am

    I could not read every comment so I will just address a few of the things I did read. First off God is real. He showed himself to Adam and eve and they messed that up. The saying ignorance is bliss comes from this. Once they ate the fruit they gained knowledge & were giving free will as punishment so instead of always having God we have to chose to want him. Why do you think no other animal God created has to endure what humans do. Oh and Adam and eve only have belly buttons in pictures/paintings because they were the only two created without yet we would not have taken that into consideration because that’s not what we’ve knonw or seen since. God created the world..could of been the big bang & still been God’s work. Evaluation is true we proved it..but I personally believe that the Neanderthals were evolved from monkeys not homosapians. We are different we were created in his image not ape like features. Keep in mind the world was around for millions of yrs before mankind was created. The laws of the old testament were for the Israelites (Gods chosen people to keep them separate from all other nations & a lot of the rules for them were really set up to protect them from diseases as well as keep them off a path of evil and distruction) The commandments were given to all nations later. (By the way God is not against killing only murder, there is a difference) And even later the teachings of Jesus…which is most common sense be good love one another have faith in the Father do what is right. I am a Christian and I do believe in God and Jesus for that matter….I also believe the Bible has been translated and rewritten so many time and by so many who were in power (kings, powerful religious figures ect …)some of the facts have been misunderstood/mistranslated or even just made to fit the rules enforced at the time. But most of it remains the same & regardless the point is the same. Be a good person without hatred nor spite in your heart. My proof that God does exist outside of personal experience…The battle between good & evil. We know it does it exist. We each battle with it everyday inside ourselves. We know that when we do wrong unfavorable things can happen and we do right good things happen. That does not mean we can pick and chose what is good and what is not. We were all taught wrong from right as children. God exists because with him we wouldnt exist today…we would have died out along time ago from sickness, poverty, famein & violence. Without HIS law we would not have survived this long. Hence the end of the world as we know it. If we all start questioning his existence then we will all walk on a path of evil because it would make to easy to stray into destruction. He was fist to provide Laws and Judges without that first move that wouldn’t have ever happened and we would have lived in chaos until our demise. He has shown it time and time again yet we still refuse to believe it is God. Well for me I would rather live like there is & find our there isn’t a God then to live like there isn’t & find out HE does exist. Ijs

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    Ella Lynn

    September 7, 2014 at 4:37 am

    hahaha. ty 4 makin mee laff

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    Brady Mitchell

    September 7, 2014 at 4:49 am

    Because, it is your definition of god that doesn’t exist. Think of the whole universe, everything within it all being connected to everything else. It just is. Therefore, god is..

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    September 7, 2014 at 4:55 am

    Look up The Three Witnesses and go on from there.

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    Brady Mitchell

    September 7, 2014 at 4:59 am

    Think outside the book, er, box. Think in terms of god without religion. Think of spirituality without religion. Is it possible?

    The whole god/athiest debate is amusing to me. How can one really deny reality?

    The problem is, athiests get caught up defining god as a super being, an omnipresent being, that decides who lives and who dies. Yet almost everyone has had an experience in thier life, where they felt the presence of things being connected. Some call it deja vu, some call coincidence. I call it a lesson to see.hear, feel, the power of the universe, of which I call god, no religion involved. Is that too difficult to perceive?

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    September 7, 2014 at 6:02 am

    Wouldn’t that really be free will though? To have free will one must have real choices. God could prove he existed and then people could choose to follow him or not. Like an election. Let God state her case and let people decide. If he is going to condemn people to an eternity of torture in hell for not believing in him, shouldn’t he give us a legitimate choice.

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    Max Friedenberg

    September 7, 2014 at 6:10 am

    If no one believed in God, then atheism wouldn’t exist. If everyone believed in God, then again, atheism wouldn’t exist. I forgot where I was going with this….

    Oh yeah. I’m pretty sure I can prove that God is an atheist.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:21 am

    Why would anyone need to investigate the Christian faith? History makes it very clear that it is the most immoral philosophy in history. And why? Because the golden rule is fluff. There is not ONE passage making it real, ie reward or punishment for doing/not doing it. There is only ONE real rule in christianity and that explains all the murdering well beyond any other religion. The only real rule, the only actual rule, is believe in jesus, that’s the only one with teeth. So, not only the most immoral in history, but the easiest, laziest, most selfish belief ever invented-and take note, it was invented by the Romans around 100CE to take control of the most difficult group under their rule, by taking control of their god…

    Didn’t you ever notice that there’s just simply too many contradictions to be anything but on purpose??? To end reason,you marry contradictions with divinity and the mind breaks-this pastor proves that beyond a shadow of a doubt!

    It has no competition for it’s evil, this “christian faith.” The only one even close in immorality… is of course Islam, which learned everything it teaches from… you guessed it, it’s big brother, the “christian faith”. Maybe they’ll pass your body count in a century.

    Get out while you can, fatalism is immoral enough, but to think you can get away with anything by believing in a dead rabbi who murders over 3,000,000 in the bible, the same book where the “bad guy” kills ZERO, is not just immoral, but selfish and psychotic.

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    September 7, 2014 at 6:24 am

    Are you Qualified to make that Diagnosis?

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:31 am

    You are guilty of the Fallacy of Composition. And others, including making a strawman of religion. Not all religiions have higher powers. Therefore your argument is not only a fallacy, but not even relevant to “relgion.” Obviously you have religion and theism confused, please educate yourself on the difference or use relevant insults to complete your argument so it doesn’t sound so closed minded, and ignorant of “religion” which is something that goes well beyond theism, ONE TYPE of religion. 🙂

    And I am being generous as your comment makes it sound like you think your argument, which is strong enough against christianity, therefore automatically applies to all religion. What you said doesn’t really even apply to theism. For example, in some religions-gods are LOWER than human beings. Other religions have no gods at all-back to the generous point. But one has to wonder iif you’ve even studied other theisms or simply think you know it all by studying the stupidest religion in history and then applying that religion’s weaknesses to all religions as though that makes any semblence of sense.

    If you mean “christianity” then SAY “CHRISTIANITY” not “religion” which I have now shown is as stupid as the arguments made by our charming pastor. Your only other logical and honorable option is to try to make an argument that ACTUALLY APPLIES to more than a handful of religions at best. Your common ignorance is no excuse and certainly no benefit to the image of the rest of us atheists 🙂

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:35 am

    Ya christians are so selfless and generous and altruistic ROFL, that’s a good one.

    Christianity is the benchmark for IMMORALITY. It is the most selfish and ridiculous philosophy ever conceived of and who does it benefit? I’ll give you a hint….

    Mark 12:17

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:40 am

    But… notice that “evil” in the bible is the guy that tells the truth and kills nobody…. while Jesus/Jehovah/Yhvh kills over 3 Million…. and lies all the time….

    Funny thing about that, every christian who reads that paragraph will either think or say out loud “God doesn’t lie!”

    Showing their ethical stance on murder lol.

    Evil God = Evil Believers.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:42 am

    um, death is non existence. No eyes to see, no ears to hear, no skin or mouth or nose….no mind to conceive or even experience….

    Some of us think morality is taking responsibility for your own behavior, not passing the buck to a dead rabbi, that’s selfish and cowardly, nothing fancier.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:44 am

    Odin beats Jesus any day of the week, and twice on Sunday.

    And really, as far as gods go…. Jesus is really scraping the bottom of the barrel.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:47 am

    That’s a bad christian actually. A good christian FORCES their god on everyone … even little helpless children in schools… trying to shove their gross god down non-believers’ throats. Face it, if you’re a good person, it DID NOT come from chrsitianity. And if you think “live and let live” is a good idea, you’re really pissing jesus off.

    Read some of the Paul books, and check the OT to see how loving Jesus is and how tolerant and how divine he must be lol.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:49 am

    Don’t forget their favorite argument for God:

    “Just look at all this stuff!”

    ie: Stuff=Creator, therefore God exists. Except God isn’t stuff and what not, so he doesn’t need one or some junk.”


    Circles are Fascinating!

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:55 am

    Terrible argument, completely self serving and fallacious. It is a watered down version of Pascal’s Wager. However, that argument hasn’t been considered intelligent EVER. For you see, this is reality, not economics. In Economics, you can pretend the only 2 objects in the world are the “widgets and wadgets” and make models based on that false assumption. However, in reality, there are countless products….

    So back to your screwed up thinking-The best possible position then would be faith in the religion with the WORST PUNISHMENT. And christianity’s is relatively very, very weak. So your argument when using a VALID model-ie one that fits reality and has more than ONE RELIGION in it… christianity would be very far down the list of “best positioning”.

    Thank you, drive through.

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    Leigh Williams

    September 7, 2014 at 6:55 am

    Good lord, you are a sad and ignorant person. For God’s sake, please stay off the Internet claiming to be a Christian. We already have more than enough PR problems.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 6:56 am

    he didn’t create you, or me, or anyone.

    Rather, the Romans created HIM.

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    Sheradon (@SheradonShep)

    September 7, 2014 at 7:00 am

    Zeitgeist is horribly inaccurate on multiple accounts. Consider getting your info from actual Biblical scholars, not conspiracy theorists.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 7:03 am

    infallible word of god huh? Then why have Genesis and Exodus been proven completely false? The Hebrews weren’t even there at the time the pyramids were built-proving if nothing else, God and/or Moses liar/s.

    Jesus doesn’t keep one promise-including coming back, he’s now 1900 years late.

    And if you really read Genesis as it was written, you’ll see there are 2 completely different and unrelated creations in Gen 1 and 2. The only thing they have in common is that El or Yahweh was involved in both. Unfortunately, the fact that they are different (proven by the necessity of ZERO assumptions to read it that way, vs over 100 to read it as a redundancy… the only one in the entire OT lol) means 99.9% of people don’t have any sin at all, as they come from Cain and the others created in Gen 1, irrelevant to the garden and its happenings, including most importantly, sin. Jesus is proven to have no purpose by page 2 of the book that defines him.

    Maybe that’s why he kept running from the Romans and it took a man, Judas to save everyone by getting the cowardly man-god to his job. You wouldn’t have seen any other man-god pull that yellow bellied crap…. would Hercules run and hide from the Romans? Certainly not lol

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 7:18 am

    Nobody intelligent has ever made the claim we are the product of evolving from monkeys. That’s the stuff that makes chrsitianity and reason sound mutually exclusive.

    This is not a subjective opinion, this is a concept with mountains of evidence across various sciences and it says:

    We came from Apes, and we ARE apes. Even you…. so if even the creator part was true, and the parts in Genesis that say “let US create them in OUR image” then the Council of Gods (see psalms), the “Elohim,” are clearly apes. And for those that falsely assume “we,” “our,” “us,” etc. refers to the trinity, fine Jesus, Yahweh and the Holy Ghost are all apes beyond a reasonable doubt.

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    Brendan Liam

    September 7, 2014 at 7:20 am

    but the burden of proof is on christians

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    September 7, 2014 at 7:50 am

    Bible is bunch of fairy tales with message in them. If you dont take story literaly, you can see that message. Thing not questionable about bible is that shows a way of living under group of parameters , if followed globaly, stated in those tales life span and quality of every living thing on planet would improve drasticly and evolution wold happen; meaning humans would achive greater spiritual awarnes that would let us get to more knowlege and information about universe widely speaking. P.S.: Pardon my poor grammar and bad opening

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    September 7, 2014 at 9:34 am

    I believe it is free will to follow him. I mean I believe in my parents do I follow their words… the devil if there is one, knows god, does he put his faith in him? think about it.

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    Tom R.

    September 7, 2014 at 9:54 am

    How does wearing a hat backwards make you a date rapist?

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    Which Is It?

    September 7, 2014 at 11:50 am

    Is it the devil or the people?

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    September 7, 2014 at 1:35 pm

    So you’re Jewish?

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    September 7, 2014 at 1:36 pm

    The difference is that not believing in the great spirit doesn’t condemn you to hell.

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    September 7, 2014 at 1:45 pm

    Please, please, please learn how to use a period. And you’re an idiot.

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    September 7, 2014 at 2:54 pm

    By Christian logic everything is God’s will. Therefore some of us don’t believe in God because he doesn’t want us to. So who are they to challenge God’s will?

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    September 7, 2014 at 2:58 pm

    “Tell me why men have nipples”….. it’s probably because at the early stages of pregnancy everyone is female until the y chromosome kicks in. To anyone who feels like evolution is the one true thing why is it called a theory? If science is truly trying to prove that it is logical I think it fair for people to act as a judge and jury.

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    September 7, 2014 at 3:01 pm

    A God that prefers you to have free will. Answer one question without God in the picture. Would you rather me personally control every little thing you did or would you rather have a choice on what you do with your body.

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    September 7, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    The atheist said, well in science you never start with a fact and then try to disprove it, while this is true to an extent, the pastor never said prove God does not exist just on mere belief. In science you start with an observation, and then through experiments you develop “truth” in a sense. No one can correctly argue something unless they know all the facts. I study science, work for an innovative company, and believe God exists. So, to prove God does not exist, a smart person would look at evidence already prevalent, and go from there. If I was going to disprove God’s existence I would start with providing evidence that the message behind the Dead Sea Scrolls is misleading and inaccurate.

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    September 7, 2014 at 3:07 pm

    Maybe not in your life but what about someone elses. What if the Bible is true and one day everyone who is a Christian is gone… is that enough proof? Or maybe the 3 and a half years of peace followed by 3 and a half years of suffering… is that enough proof? In order to believe in God would you have to watch the world burn around you? Would it take nothing less than him appearing personally to you?

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    September 7, 2014 at 3:11 pm

    …. it doesn’t feel right? You are basing your eternity off of “it doesn’t feel right”?

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    September 7, 2014 at 3:26 pm

    Atheism is for grownups.

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    September 7, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    God made the devil and if god is omnipotent and all knowing, did god create evil? We can only infer that god did in face create evil, why would he do that? I have no idea.

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    Stockton Nye

    September 7, 2014 at 4:59 pm

    This guy Seth is so ignorant…I honestly don’t even know which part of his argument to pick out first, it’s full of crap. First of all, I know by commenting on this, it really won’t do much besides being lots of rude comments since talking to him or anybody like him is like talking to a rock. But let’s see here…so he’s turning the “prove he doesn’t exist” into prove he does exist by mentioning the boogey man and space teddy bears etc., Ok, somebody prove to me that they DO exist as well…see how that works? Idiot of course you’re not gonna prove it. Your view of God is so skewed… you think of him as some magician or superhero that uses his powers, he is perfect, so he obeys his own laws…including these natural laws that you mentioned… Yep he made those because he is a God of order! And he has to follow them or he would cease to be perfect right? This random happening of the universe and other crap you try to prove can’t be proven. It’s a THEORY. And never will it be more than that. Why? Because you can’t prove it! You were never there. Btw Abraham didn’t kill his son, so God wasn’t just having him killed for his own pleasure… if you’re going to try and pick out certain parts of the story just to manipulate the truth, you’ve already lost. Last point: can you control everything your children do? Or do you allow for them to make choices to learn and grow? Follow your child around for the rest of your life doing everything for him/her so nothing bad happens and then we’ll see what that child turns out to be.. it would be like a little 3 year old that can’t do anything for him/herself. Is that what you really want God to do? Hand everything to you? Well you won’t get it, you have to show a little effort.

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    September 7, 2014 at 5:01 pm

    At some point everything in this universe or everything in creation was nothing. Something must have been created at some point to allow all of life everywhere to happen. Where was the start? I do believe in a higher being or power, but god is a label, title, to what you believe your higher power is. Not a single entity or person. I believe if you go back far enough and just ask the simple question Where and How did everything begin… ? Molecules, Quarks, Atoms, all of it began somewhere. Everything in life has a pyramid effect, evolution, emotions, feelings, corporate america, all trickles down and starts from 1 point of origin. When we find that We find our answer.

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    September 7, 2014 at 5:25 pm

    Think about one thing.we couldn’t have just popped up here.if we were small cells that just started we would have to go through a baby stage. babys can not survive with out a adult they can not even feed themselves.there has to be a god.all the planets, stars, the fact that we have sex to make more.if we just popped up that means there would have had to be a male and female.we are too perfect not have bean created . Look at all the things that are happening the bible is dead on. If seen the power of God and how he changes people .

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    Mark Swanson

    September 7, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    Humans didn’t evolve from monkeys. Humans share a common ancestor with an animal that was neither human, nor monkey.

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    September 7, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    Bible is not based on if you live it’s teachings your life will is based on if you ask God to come into your life you Will change.god changes you not you do things of bible to change yourself

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    September 7, 2014 at 5:46 pm

    This book changes lives of people who were not having a good life

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    September 7, 2014 at 5:55 pm

    So here is a classic example of a False Dilemma fallacy; where as, there is an attempt to portray God in the same context as the teddy bear or tooth fairy.

    The origin of the teddy bear is clear, just as the origin of Santa Claus, the tooth fairy, etc.

    The point this pastor makes, if you are not quick to judge him, but to answer the damn question… that there is no origin of proof for atheist and secularists to disprove that there is a God….as many seem to assert and claim.

    I have respect for Bill Nye, in the sense that he acknowledges he cannot disprove there is a God, even though he states that he has no evidence that there is a God.

    When you guys turn off the rants of a Bill Maher, or the mocking of guys like Seth MacFarland, then I suggest that you demonstrate the intolerance of discussion on this matter you seek……………unless you can conclude that science is not the antonym of Christianity, and that science and atheism go hand and hand.

    The atheist uses science too easily to say that God does not exist; however, mock this man who says “prove it”

    The author of this article shows a bias and disdain (ad hominem) that he excuses the fact that he cannot answer a basic question that atheist have been alleging for years, instead, like a kid mad in playground he basically says ‘so, this is stupid’ because he essentially cannot answer the question.

    I have a solution…..when atheists stop taking the aggressive position to claim there is no God, attribute the beautiful study of the sciences to falsely prove there is no God…..then there is no need to make the “Prove it argument”

    Please do not get mad at him, get mad at those people who foolishly assert there is no God


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    September 7, 2014 at 6:19 pm

    Why is it that all responses from “Christians” lack any kind of skill in spelling, or sentence forming?

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    September 7, 2014 at 6:27 pm

    Why is the choice of belief considered good? Please also notice that in the old testament faith is never the question, obedience is.

    We can get into the fact that a god that won’t provide proof but requires faith or inflects eternal punishment is a sicko, but that’s beyond the question.

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    Gremlin Boshanks

    September 7, 2014 at 6:34 pm

    Well…my dog clearly exists, I guess that removes my free will to believe in him or not. How awful?

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    Gremlin Boshanks

    September 7, 2014 at 6:42 pm

    I think you are a good person, but what you’ve written here is a muddled mess. As far as the monkeys, go…They aren’t the same monkeys. Those monkeys ALSO evolved from our common ancestor, and don’t necessarily look like him either (in the same way we don’t look like our ancient primate ancestor).

    To put it differently, all the dog breeds we have were bred from wolves over a very long period of time. If you doubt this ask how could a poodle ever exist naturally when they have no ability to survive without us? What you’e saying is like saying: If German Shepherds came from wolves then why do we still have wolves? Duh, because we didn’t get ALL of them! Same with our ancient primate ancestors, not all of them evolved in the same way!

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    Gremlin Boshanks

    September 7, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    Evolution and atheism are not the same thing. They don’t rely on each other in any way. You could be an atheist that doesn’t believe in evolution, don’t know why you would, but the two beliefs wouldn’t conflict at all.

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    Gremlin Boshanks

    September 7, 2014 at 6:52 pm

    It’s really arrogant to act like you know what God wants. Sin of pride.

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    Gremlin Boshanks

    September 7, 2014 at 6:59 pm

    You really need to examine how “Christian” you’re acting right now. God would not approve.

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    September 7, 2014 at 7:34 pm

    You are correct, scientists do not say humans descended from monkeys. They DO say, however, that humans and apes descended from a common ancestor.

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    September 7, 2014 at 7:46 pm

    “God left evidence that can only be seen… by the ones who need it”. I absolutely agree with you on this one point. What outspoken/evangelical-type Christians tend to not understand, however, is that some of us simply do not need God or the Bible. Some of us get things on a different level and religion is simply a middle man we don’t need. If you need God and the Bible to be a good person, GREAT! I am happy for you that you found it! I don’t need religion. I respect Christians who truly believe and don’t need me to agree with them. There are 7 billion humans on this planet and there are 7 billion different ways of interpreting our existence. Live and let live. Please stop requiring that everyone see things exactly as you do, our differences are what makes life interesting. Perhaps your God made atheists to make you question and become more secure in your own belief, without “converting” others or negating their personal work.

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    September 7, 2014 at 7:51 pm

    That is absolutely hilarious. You have my thanks for making my day.

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    September 7, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    So god took Moses’ free will when he spoke to Moses directly… and performed miracles through him… And Jesus stole the free will of all those he performed miracles in front of… You’re right: it is called “faith” for a reason.

    And it’s a choice, right? You’re free to choose to believe something for which there is no evidence or burn forever in a lake of fire. You’re also free to choose whether or not you’ll give the contents of your wallet to a mugger or get shot in the face… completely up to you.

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    speak the mind

    September 7, 2014 at 8:19 pm

    In recovery so many people turn to God because they need something to drag them through the mud, im not saying this in a negative way, but most need something to believe in, which is why it’s called FAITH. I do believe in a greater power more so on a spiritual level, but not the idea of what God is portrayed as…I believe in the natural balance of things but I just can’t get myself to believe in anything written in the Bible or that ‘God’ created the world, and can hear and see everything going on, it’s not gods will, it’s ours. Not to mention the whole asking for forgiveness thing, the fact you can do morally messed up things, and cause harm to others for your own benefit and just be forgiven because you asked to be is mind boggling to me personally. You can preach all you want but when it comes down to it I like hard evidence, something that is proof.

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    faith is real

    September 7, 2014 at 8:25 pm

    The same god who gave u the freedom of choice u say god let’s things happen and he let’s us die and murder one another yet of u really get down to it who is really letting everyone kill and starve and live in poverty. This world was made by God and not just any god the king of all. The king of kings now I’m not going to tell u that ur belief is wrong. No cause that’s ur “faith” yet if u actually took the time to think about it rather then wait for a pastor to preach and then bomb him for his faith and confidence then by that “logic” I should be allowed to disown ur belief in atheism thankfully atheism is its own for of ridiculous now why don’t u all stop judging a man for believing in something more that what u believe in which is nothing at all. It’s sad that in this era that a rich man would give 1/4 of his riches to charity and still be rich but a widow would give 100% of her cash to charity and feel more rich then the wealthiest people in the world. You want proof god exists I have ur answer it’s called life. Ur life my life and all life is a gift. Not some mistake from a cosmic explosion mankind was MADE by a loving and merciful god who knew we are meant for so much more then to argue about who has less faith and who has more faith. Now I’m not one to preach. I’m just a 17 year old kid who’s expressing his faith. But at least I know where my faith lies and that’s with the true god and the true king of kings.

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    faith is real

    September 7, 2014 at 8:31 pm

    There Is A Documentary On A Chapter In 5 He Bible About The Parting Of The Red Sea And The Mountain That God Struck With Lightning Which Burned The Top Of It. And this documentary showed that the mountain is indeed burnt at the top and the red sea was actually parted can I have my 1,000,000 dollars now u joke or r u the same as what u r calling this pastor and can’t put ur non existent money with ur fat ass mouth is.

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    September 7, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    Only one thing explains your thoughts, BRAIN WASHED

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    September 7, 2014 at 8:55 pm

    He doesn’t even have a clear understanding of what athiests/agnostics believe. He’s too stupid to even argue with lol

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    September 7, 2014 at 8:57 pm

    Lmfao. Faith =believing in something without requiring proof. You’re right, it is called faith for a reason. Free will to worship this “god” or to burn in hell.. yeah, that sure is free lol

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    September 7, 2014 at 9:29 pm

    You missed the point he was saying that you can’t prove he doesn’t exist but nor can you prove he does.

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    September 7, 2014 at 9:32 pm

    For a former 30-year believer, this atheist is very poorly educated on the Bible. First of all, Abraham did NOT sacrifice his son, Isaac, on the mountain. When God saw that he was going to follow through with the sacrifice, he sent his angel to tell Abraham that he should not lay a hand on his child. It was a test to see how faithful Abraham was, and because he passed, God blessed him with “Descendants as numerous as the stars”.

    Secondly, this atheist is questioning why God has devised such a poor plan that would “fail and result in the damnation of billions”. Clearly he has not read the book of Revelations. God’s plan and promise is yet to be complete. This book, the last in the Bible, discusses how Jesus will return and harvest the souls of the righteous, and the non-believers will be left on Earth. The antichrist will rule for 7 years, and then will be dethroned, and God will create a new kingdom on Earth, where all those who are faithful will have eternal life, and all those who were unfaithful will have their chance to repent and join God, and all those who choose not to will be left outside the gates like dogs. Contrary to his belief, God has a plan for us, and it includes non-believers too. To all you atheists out there, the book of Revelations does state that you can be saved after the tribulation. God has included you in his plans, and it’s up to you whether or not you will join him. Even if you don’t believe, he still loves you.

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    September 7, 2014 at 10:11 pm

    you’re joking right?

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    free minded but knows the truth

    September 7, 2014 at 10:40 pm

    I’m Muslim but I respect Christians as the same and I will answer your question the same way any Christian would. We follow the book we follow because it was not a man who wrote it it was brought down from the heavens for us to follow and have trust in God.

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    Debbie Boerke

    September 7, 2014 at 10:46 pm

    In the christian religion God doesn’t compel any human being to do anything because he loves us enough to give us the freedom of choice. You have the choice to give your money to people who actually need it, but whether or not you follow through with it is your choice. For all those people in poverty and in hunger, they are promised an entirety in heaven as long as they live good lives. As a Christian I cannot give you 100% tangible evidence that God exists, but it is my belief and my choice just like how choosing to be an atheist is your choice. The above video does sound very judgmental though and I apologize on behalf of my religion if it angered you in anyway.

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    Stunning Steve

    September 7, 2014 at 11:05 pm

    If the Pastor is wearing a Cincinatti Reds Baseball Cap …., then there is no god in winning a World Series!!!

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    September 7, 2014 at 11:26 pm

    The guy posting the challenge is an idiot. The guy responding to the challenge is also an idiot. The world is full of idiots. I don’t really care about what people believe. Believe what you want. Personally I believe there are tons of different gods out there. I just don’t know which one to pray to. But if you want to believe there are none, then cool. Do your thing. We’ll all find out when we die who was right, who was wrong. But then it won’t really matter.

    That being said, it’s hard to prove that a “God” does or does not exist. Depends on your audience. If this guy accepts someone’s explanation, 100,000 dollars is the least of his worries, because he would have to come to the realization that everything has guided his life has been a complete lie which could have devastating consequences for his emotional well being. Or he could not accept any explanation and go on with his life with the free publicity the atheist is giving him.

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    Matt Simmons

    September 8, 2014 at 12:37 am

    > the burden of trusting God has been on humanity.

    Trusting in your God, or in another God?

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    Christopher Rabbitson

    September 8, 2014 at 1:36 am

    Actually, you CAN prove a negative. The problem with Xtianity is that it is wholly unbelievable. From…”Christian Theism in its most basic sense entails observations that would necessarily be made by everyone everywhere and at all times, and thus it is as easily disproven as the alien in the bathtub. For instance, God is theoretically omnipresent, and granted us the ability to know him (to feel his loving presence, etc.), yet I have absolutely no sensation of any God or anything that would be entailed by a God, even though by definition he is within me and around me wherever I go. Likewise, God is theoretically the epitome of compassion, and also all-knowing and all-powerful and beyond all injury, yet I know that what demonstrates someone as compassionate is the alleviation of all suffering known to them and safely within their power to alleviate. All suffering in the world must be known and safely within the power of God to alleviate, yet it is still there, and since the Christian ‘theory’ entails the opposite observation, Christianity is false. Likewise, God theoretically designed the universe for a moral purpose, but the universe lacks moral features–animals thrive by survival of the fittest, not survival of the kindest, and the laws of physics are no respecter of persons, they treat the good man and the bad man equally. Moreover, the universe behaves like a mindless machine, and exhibits no intelligent action of its own accord, and there are no messages or features of a linguistic nature anywhere in its extra-human composition or behavior, such as we would expect if a thinking person had designed it and wanted to communicate with us.”

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    September 8, 2014 at 2:15 am

    There are many problems with Seth’s response. For example. He makes the statement that “the world is obviously governed by natural laws”. He then adds that theists make “a supernatural claim”. Seth then goes on to challenge the theist to support their claim with “credible, measurable, peer reviewable, scientific evidence.” The first problem here is the demand for natural (or physical) evidence for the existence of a supernatural (metaphysical) being, namely God. How, can you expect the theist to be able to use science (the study of the universe) to prove the existence of God (the creator of the universe)? This isn’t just a clever get out card: “Scientific proof” (the type Seth is calling for) requires that the system under study obeys scientific laws- if God exists, would we expect God to be somehow constrained to scientific laws? Surely not. If God does exist, then what we are looking for is not scientific proof- but rather the evidence of intelligence and purpose (design) in the structure and function of the universe. The second problem with Seth’s argument is his demand that beliefs must be supported by “credible, measurable, peer reviewable, scientific evidence.” There are many things that most rational people strongly believe, but do not have scientific evidence for them. For example: The existence of other minds, the reality of the external world, the value and worth of other humans…etc…

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    September 8, 2014 at 2:52 am

    The problem with this is that there’s no real way to scientifical way to measure that God doesn’t exist. Not only that, but it’s a lot harder to prove a negative than a positive. He might think this works to his advantage, but it doesn’t; just because it’s harder to prove a negative doesn’t make the positive correct.

    The bet was not about “proving God doesn’t exist”, it’s about whether they can convince him and other individuals. Problem is you can’t change someone’s mind without their willingness to listen.

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    September 8, 2014 at 2:58 am

    Bingo. Wish I read this before I commented. It’s more thorough than my answer.

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    September 8, 2014 at 3:08 am

    You have nothing to worry about. Pass on in non belief on anything…..but science which is all you got. I’m sad for you.

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    September 8, 2014 at 3:35 am

    Here is something for all of our Atheist commenters, In order to say something or someone does not exsist, doesn’t there have to be something for you to disbelieve in? Think about the logical side, after all, isn’t that your whole debate, logic? In order for you to say something does not exsist, you have to first believe before you can disbelieve. You are a part of a fad, people jump on the band wagon of atheism because they want to be different, sad truth is your fad is fading.. You argue and argue that god does not exsist, but will not listen to any counter arguments. You are right and anyone who disagree’s is stupid and doesn’t know what they are talking about. Get over yourself, and for some of you, go back to school and learn some grammer for godsake….

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    Lukas Supernonstop Continuousflowmachine

    September 8, 2014 at 3:55 am

    Congrats David. Well said. May i also suggest the argument “For all those people that dont believe that peer reviewed science works please stop typing on your computer. Please feel free to use the religious version of the computer/internet to connect and continue to argue which religion is the right one.”

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    Philip Robinson

    September 8, 2014 at 4:08 am

    Haha, god created the devil, right? So how is none of that caused by him? If you beleive then you should know that all pain, suffering, and evil was created by god so you can have a so called choice. Lol. To bad babies with cancer dont get a choice. Yea, so god creates this evil deceptive creature knowing what he will do, and then punishes all humanity to die because the devil did exactly what god made him to do. I think your god gets off on pain and suffering, think about it. He could have killed the devil when he turned, but he didnt, he must have wanted what the devil was going to do. If god is all knowing he could have just never created the devil. Did he realy need to make this bet for our souls with the devil when he knows the outcome? For a choice? I think choosing not to even create evil would have been so much better. Then again, who am I to question gods plan written by sinners? I think it is so funny you believers keep blaming the devil for the bad things that happen when he was created by your god. The god you pray to for protection is the same god that created the things you need protection from. Lmao. Really, do yall even read the book or just listen to what people tell you?

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    September 8, 2014 at 6:09 am

    So let me get this right… if you were hearing voices in your head telling you to kill your kid, you would do it? Seriously? You also believe in talking snakes too? You know, they have medication for that. Please, do the world a favor… don’t ever breed.

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    September 8, 2014 at 6:53 am

    Nope. If you prove God exists this would make it a fact. You don’t believe and/or have faith in facts. You just know them. Like you know Earth is spherical and not flat.So that would make the whole church and church-like organisations totally useless. That’s why I’m really interested why would any religious person want an absolute proof of God’s existence.

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    September 8, 2014 at 8:04 am

    Well let’s put it this way, it’s proven fact that people if low intelligence have a higher rate of belief in god and such things. You can’t argue with stupid people they just bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. It’s like playing chess with a pigeon, no matter how well you do they are just going to strut around like they won and shit on everything.

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    September 8, 2014 at 8:18 am

    Sorry if this type of response is a repeat. I don’t care to read all the others at the moment. But he talks about a worldwide law (basically) about how wrong it is to murder someone. Honestly (in my opinion), it goes back to survival (and eventually it evolves into our emotions towards each other). If someone killed someone of your family, it prevented you to carry on your genes, so obviously to you, it would be wrong. It eventually moved on to us all loving our families, and if someone killed part of your family, that would be wrong. And it continues on to if anyone kills anybody else, it is just wrong. Anyone want to argue that, I don’t care, but I’m pretty sure that’s how the whole “Thou shalt not kill” thing came about…It all traces back to keeping your genes alive, which is really what all of nature is about..As humans, we just think we’re above it

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    September 8, 2014 at 8:21 am

    And I didn’t go on as much as I should have, but alas, I’m drunk and I don’t care. This guy is just a dink, he will never see this message, and no one here will ever be able to knock the truth into his head.

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    Steve Rogers

    September 8, 2014 at 8:22 am

    1 John 4:8New International Version (NIV)

    8 Whoever does not love does not know God, because God is love.

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    September 8, 2014 at 8:36 am

    Just watched the Fallacy video. Hit the nail on the head. Great job

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    Steve Rogers

    September 8, 2014 at 8:37 am

    John 13:34New International Version (NIV)

    34 “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.

    If people loved one another,then no one would be mistreated, but the fact is, there are people who will not love and mistreat others, Because they will not submit their selfish and greedy hearts to God, who is LOVE. I pray that everyone gets the chance to know love, so they can start Loving others the way God has already loved us who believe. God bless you or rather May you be Loved.

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    Rusty Gee

    September 8, 2014 at 8:42 am

    First off, if you’re an atheist, you’re an A-Theist, Anti-Theist, Anti-Christ. So my first question is how can you be anti something that you say doesn’t exist? I’m sure plenty of you will have a smart answer to that. I’m not going to challenge you to disprove Christ but I am going to challenge you to read a Bible. Before you all make assumptions on life and what’s right and wrong, I challenge you to do some research by reading the Bible. I’ve done research into atheism and evolution to challenge myself. Challenge my faith. And it hasn’t changed. But I know all of you are afraid to challenge your beliefs. You’re afraid you might see things differently. If you are unafraid, read the New Testament. Challenge yourself and see if there is more out there.

    And I’ll end with this, even though I have studied evolution, I’m still stuck on this question: Why did it stop? Why have we not witnessed evolution first hand when we’ve been here thousands of years?

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    September 8, 2014 at 9:04 am

    Everybody has the right to believe, to not believe, etc.
    Why anyone has to start such a debate???
    Why distracting our attention from the real problems??? We – the people on this Earth – have so many problems to decide and take care of – food, fresh water for everyone, clean nature, peace everywhere!

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    Steve Rogers

    September 8, 2014 at 9:23 am

    Atheists are people, too
    For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life (John, 3:16).
    Just because Atheists do not believe, does not mean that they deserve less love.
    John 13:34
    “A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another.
    James 2:13
    because judgment without mercy will be shown to anyone who has not been merciful. Mercy triumphs over judgment.
    Love all!!!…. not just Christians.
    Love Your Enemies
    …45so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for He causes His sun to rise on the evil and the good, and sends rain on the righteous and the unrighteous. 46″For if you love those who love you, what reward do you have? Do not even the tax collectors do the same? 47″If you greet only your brothers, what more are you doing than others? Do not even the Gentiles do the same?…(Matthew 5:45-46, NIV).

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:07 am

    I give that pastor ten times the amount he offers if he can prove the existence of a “God”.

    what a fcukin r3tarded piece of shXt that pastor is, he has absolutely no clue, only beliefs

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:12 am

    “Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is those who know
    little, not those who know much, who so positively assert that this or that problem will
    never be solved by science.”
    – Charles Darwin

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:16 am

    If science is too hard for you
    try religion

    but preferably, educate your self and learn the science you claim to know so much about but provenly know jack ***t about

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    September 8, 2014 at 10:25 am

    If god(dess) does exist, s/he would have told him that the Fred Durst red ball cap is so passé and even Freddy boy couldn’t pull it off.

    Where’s my $100,000?

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:27 am

    you obviously don’t know science or understand the concept of evolution.
    What is said is that we SHARE AN ANCESTOR no more, no less.

    And are you actually saying we should teach mumbo jumbo hokus pokus to the kids, instead of scientific methods? for real?

    people like you should be under strict supervision and not be given ANY right to be a part in deciding ANYTHING WHAT SO EVER.

    Plz go back to elementary and learn from the beginning

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:35 am

    Spiderman is real
    because my Spiderman comics says so

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:38 am

    first off you better prove the existance of the none-existant

    there is no God, but if there is, prove it !

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:39 am

    I’m not sure God has anyting to do with my Toshiba ????

    Or do you mean he’s a stockholder?

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    The_Real_Flash (@Flash_is_here)

    September 8, 2014 at 10:41 am

    and “faith” is something for kids and uncivilized people

    knowledge is for civilized grown ups

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    September 8, 2014 at 11:28 am

    You just contradicted yourself in what you assume is a logical defense. You can’t have something be our fault and be the fault of a ‘sum of all evil’ at the same time. If it’s the devil making us do it, then why would we be punished for it when it’s obviously not -our- fault either?

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    Alex Pieper

    September 8, 2014 at 11:34 am

    God created everything on this planet. Look at an artist, his characteristics are the same but never draws the same picture. Thats why every animal, every human, have a spine or thats why scientists say we evolved from apes, because apes are the closest to a human.

    We are not supposed to have a religion. Religions are “man made rules”. It does not describe Christianity. Christianity is simply the believe in God and Jesus.

    God has proven to excist. Through our world (space is nothing, so the Worlds and suns had to come from somewhere and im talking Billions of years) and through Jesus.
    Jesus took away our sins so we, have a choice to be with God!

    People say “i dont believe in God” yet everyone has used the phrase “oh my god”

    Ever had the feeling that when you look at your life and think, wow. If i wouldnt have done this or chose this i wouldnt be here now. God is not suppose to be around. Otherwise we wouldnt have a free will. God guides us quietly so that we can be proud of our decisions and accomplishments yet we still walk with god and he opens the doors to our success. Love God because he loves you unconditionally.

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    September 8, 2014 at 12:27 pm

    You are the dumb ass…it’s a shame abortion isn’t a social option in your case. Meaning – it is rather sad that people just don’t use abortion as a fun means of getting rid of stupid people…because if they did, I am pretty sure your parents would have opted to not have kept you…but aborted you and posted the video on YouTube – which would have gone viral because let’s face it – no one likes you.

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    You are a

    September 8, 2014 at 12:35 pm


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    September 8, 2014 at 1:25 pm

    Let me make sure I have this straight. Your God is willing to damn people eternally if they don’t worship him, but he also makes it impossible to prove that he actually exists. He sounds like kind of a jerk.

    Why make your faith falter? Because religion has poisoned society for millenia and continues to do so today. There are some perfectly decent people who are also religious — but there are also people that use their millenia-old religious book as a basis for law, or teach that evolution is false, or claim that nonbelievers must be punished. There are still places in the USA where you cannot legally hold a public office if you’re not willing to swear a religious oath. Does that seem like a problem to you?

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    Angela Griffith

    September 8, 2014 at 1:29 pm

    So sad, that this world is so full of hatred for one another. So very sad.

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    September 8, 2014 at 2:16 pm

    I blame God for your bad grammar and poor sentence structure. I’ll pay you $100,000 if you can prove a period exists.

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    September 8, 2014 at 3:37 pm Zeitgeist is incredibly inaccurate, and all based on a 1999 conspiracy theory book that had no sources. As an atheist, I want people to learn the best they can. It’s okay to commit the Zeitgeist mistake of believing them, it happened to me too. Just part of the process in the search for truth. Also, conspiracy theories are bullshit. Always keep using logic and avoid logical fallacies. Never believe something just because someone told you, research any crazy claim you hear.

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    September 8, 2014 at 3:58 pm

    “if God asked me to take my son to the mountain and kill him, i would do as he asked” The problem with this statement is that if you ever hear God inside your head, you probably have schizophrenia, and it also shows your God is an inmoral person by asking you to kill your own son. You should be ashamed for maintaining that ignorant and archaic ideology. Going back to the beginning, we’re not the only creatures to experience evolution, it is every single organism that reproduces on this planet helps drive evolution forward. Atheists aren’t blaming God for everything wrong with the world, we say that God isn’t even there to begin with. The devil doesn’t make sense. You have this dude, that’s not more powerful than God, and God doesn’t like him, but let’s him roam around the Earth corrupting his creation, and God just lets him. Also, I find it funny how in Revelations it says that God will triumph over the Devil, what’s the point of fighting, if you already know who’s going to win?! Blaming problems of this world solely on the Devil, and not other humans, shows you’re shifting blame for the problems we cause to an imaginary object. You know atheists are very much capable of collecting money and helping out the homeless too, right? I am an atheist Eagle Scout and helped many people throughout those years. Sorry, being a “drug abuser” and then saying you used to drink every night, doesn’t make you a drug user, nor does that prove the existence of a god in any way. You just deluded yourself you weren’t alone, but in reality we’re just a bunch of atoms held together by the forces of the Universe. Genesis was written in the same way any other book was written, by human hands. God didn’t use his magic to poof it into existence. Also, be careful using Noah as evidence, the story of Noah comes from a Sumerian story from the book The Epic of Gilgamesh. The story of Noah is so obviously stolen by Judaism from Sumerian mythology, that they barely changed the story. You have no evidence for a god nor your religion.

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:09 pm

    “can only be seen by the righteous or by the ones who need it.” that is a great excuse you keep telling yourself to convince yourself you’re right. God has left no evidence, if so, please provide it. And it’s not someone’s opinion when they say the Bible is logically and historically flawed, it is a fact because many of the dates and facts about certain moments i history are wrong, and many of its claims contradict themselves or commit a logical fallacy. “atheist religion trying to make our faith falter” Atheism is not a religion, it is a philosophical position which says there is no god. What’s the point behind it? Well that may vary, the point behind atheism is simply the claim there is no god, but how I see atheism is that it inspires me to search for truth. Truth is found through scientific research and philosophy. As an atheist, I also try to get people to see that religion and god are completely unnecessary. In order to be good, you don’t need a god. In order to be successful you don’t need a god. In order for your family member to survive a near-death situation, you don’t need a god. If the plane is crashing and an atheist is inside, he/she would simply accept the fact that they’re falling from the sky and probably die, not pray. Atheists make your faith falter because we use logically sound arguments against your logically flawed claims.

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:11 pm

    God requires that we come to Him by faith in Christ Jesus. Faith is the only way that you will ever find God. A sincere faith. (you can’t fool God, He knows if you are sincere.) If you look for Him through scientific paths you will discover evidence of creation, but you will remain blind to the Creator; and this is why you do not believe. To the one who said, “we will never know” I must tell you that someday at a time God has chosen, you will have your proof, but it will be too late for you then. Seek Him through faith in Christ Jesus; do it before it’s too late.

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:12 pm

    Alan, we do not use reasoning to support our “faith” it is not a faith, it is the complete opposite of it. We use reason and logic to draw our conclusions, not faith.

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:16 pm

    You’re making a lot of claims there, buddy. What I’m hoping for is for that “proof” of yours isn’t the same recycled arguments believers of a deity have. Having a belief based around the idea that what we can see and know to be true, and that all truth lies in the forces of nature, is not wrong, it is logical. Any belief that claims the existence of untouchable beings is flawed as soon as you say it.

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    Alan Macphail

    September 8, 2014 at 4:26 pm

    I think you’re projecting your negative bias toward “active” atheists on to Seth Andrews.

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:35 pm

    In other words, blissful ignorance is what Cory is saying, otherwise known as “faith”

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:47 pm

    you have no idea what you are talking about. society is made of individuals. Individuals have a conscience separate from society. Society can influence that conscience one way or another.
    Even remote people groups in the Amazon jungle know that stealing is wrong. Don’t be too quick to hate religion. If you are wrong the consequences are irreversable. yeah I cant spell sorry

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    You clearly do not understand the role of science if you think their out there to prove things. The belief in a god is a logical fallacy in itself, therefore irrational. Math is a representation of quantity invented by humans, which later came to be used to explain natural phenomena, think of it as advanced pattern-recognition abilities. Metaphysics is bullshit from the start, the “mind” is the result of a brain that has been in development for millions of years through evolution. Ethics belong to philosophy, not science, the ability to have ethics is part of the natural world, therefore scientific. Personal preferences belong to the individual, and probably has a natural explanation for it, like everything else ever. Science is a way to find the closest thing to truth about the universe. It is not meant to be 100% accurate, no scientific paper ever claims it is 100% right. It is a way to get to know the universe to the most precise point possible. Any scientific fact that we know could be wrong, and we’re willing to change our beliefs as long as there is sufficient evidence provided. Next time, try looking for someone with a brain on YouTube.

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    September 8, 2014 at 4:50 pm

    If you got the idea that Christianity is 90% from other religions because of Zeitgeist. I urge you to read this. I’m an atheist as well.

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    Jay Cortez

    September 8, 2014 at 5:22 pm

    Wait. Which is it?
    Is it our choices or the devil?…

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    September 8, 2014 at 6:53 pm

    The challenge has been won. Wonder if he’ll pay up?!

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    The Ayatollah of Rock n Rolla

    September 8, 2014 at 7:38 pm

    Name me a book that isn’t written by men

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    September 8, 2014 at 7:56 pm

    ur addicts and felons find would kill your son if god asked you too???..please jump off a bridge..aka jesus

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    September 8, 2014 at 8:06 pm

    On Zeitgeist, I turned it off when they got to the recycling computer architecture part. I had to as a computer scientist…I couldn’t take it anymore. And I rarely off a flick in the middle cause I prefer a thorough critique.

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    September 8, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    Are you dead? No. Have you seen god? No. How can anyone tell me there is one when there is no proof?

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    September 8, 2014 at 8:54 pm

    Steve, evolution does NOT say we evolved from monkeys. It says monkeys and humans (and the great apes and some others) all evolved from a common ancestor. I’m glad you believe in evolution, but it might help if you actually understood it.

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    September 8, 2014 at 9:02 pm

    To answer his most pressing questions…

    The problem of evil? God had to give humans free will. Just as we cannot force someone to love us, God cannot force us to love him. That then would not be true love. It’s the sacrifice that God had to make but He knew that the possibility of love with us despite the evil choices we would make would be worth it for both those that choose to believe and for Himself. For those who refuse to believe then they face an eternal “Hell” which is the absence of love and thus total absence from God. We see parts of Hell everyday from things like natural disasters and murder…but we also see parts of God everyday. Looking for the goodness in this world and the love in this world should point to something better ahead. You just need to stop fighting your ego and let go and your life will be saved and you will experience so much more happiness because you have love. God also rejoices when we seek knowledge. Science explains and shows how God is active in the world and how He has put in place it’s laws and has made a beautiful design that perfectly fits human life…for us.

    And evolution is a theory as well. I actually believe and agree that evolution has a lot of facts and those facts we should not ignorantly ignore. To me however, the similarities between humans and other animals and plants points to the fact that there was one creator. We all come from Him and therefore will possess similarities based off of that.

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    Zeek B

    September 8, 2014 at 9:27 pm

    I have a different belief system than most. I’m not an Atheist, and I don’t subscribe to organized religion. I look for a way to God in the constructs of the mind, in between atoms, in irony, in personalized experience, in metaphor, in the existence of evolution itself, and the belief that if such a being exists, it would lack the ego required to come down here for a controlled study.

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    September 8, 2014 at 9:30 pm

    Kevin James? How dumb are you?

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    Richard Cesar

    September 8, 2014 at 11:08 pm

    Wow. Such Ignorance. Was this intended as flame bait? I’ll dumb things down.

    “oops what happen there and we all know we still have monkeys every kind” ..

    I don’t think you understand how evolution works. its not a closed system and does not happen to an entire species at a time, but to individual living beings through genetic mutation. For instance, there was a time when no human had blue eyes passed infancy. However, over time some people were born without the pigment , leaving their eyes blue (it probably helped with seeing in the snow), and when a mommy with blue eyes, and a daddy with blue eyes had kinky sex, they popped out a baby with blue eyes. Not all monkeys turned into humans. The theory is that one or two did, and those became the great great grandpappies of us lil ol humans.

    ” but the fact is there is a devil too”

    Thats not a fact, that’s a belief. But whatever.

    “… its all possible by Gods grace”

    Are you saying you would not be able to help the poor if it was not for god telling you to?

    “.. oh and funny question who wrote GENESIS!! in fact i dont think you even know that X”

    Neither do you. It was adapted from the Sumerian “Enuma Elish” and “Epics of Creation”. Just like the story of the great flood.

    Gee, don’t you even history?

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    September 8, 2014 at 11:15 pm

    Yes it is Lucy, that’s because we are descended from Apes, not monkeys. Now get your fingers out of your ears and actually read what thermal says.

    Science does not claim god exists, they say it’s the least likely answer based on what we know right now.

    That’s the fun thing about science, it can change daily based on what is proven and disproven.

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    Kerry Cox

    September 9, 2014 at 1:10 am

    This is the grown-up version of “picking the weakest kid on the playground to beat up to show how tough you are.” Believe it or not, there are are a lot of Christian intellectuals (though videos like the Rev’s here are making it harder to say that without wincing) that can make a decent case for the existence of God. Airtight? No. But at least a reasonable, compelling case. Try taking on Ravi Zacharias instead of the latest moron to grab a Sharpie and a pizza box and set up his Samsung Galaxy to shoot a vid-ya…

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    Mitchell DeVore

    September 9, 2014 at 2:12 am

    Nobody who is actually familiar with the subject has ever claimed that man evolved from monkeys. Nor have they ever claimed that we evolved from Neanderthal. Homo Sapiens recent ancestors and Neanderthal man co-existed side by side, likely both sharing a much much older ancestor much farther back in history. Similar to the relationship between a Lion and a Tiger.

    And the same goes for the relationship to chimps and other primates. Much, much further back in the ancestral tree, you will eventually reach a common ancestor whose descendants evolved along different paths. One branch able to be followed until it eventually leads to Chimpanzee. Another branch from it eventually leading to Neanderthal. And if you then follow the tree backwards from Neanderthal again, you would be able to find a branch that lead in a different direction and ends up at Modern Man.

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    September 9, 2014 at 3:05 am

    You assume everyone would follow him even if he existed…. idk Lucifer defied him…. one might still take a path other than you ever given that a thought we would still have our free will just better understanding and confidence in our choices ….he denies his followers of this better understanding???? Why ???? Personally I think a God would not treat his followers as such .

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    September 9, 2014 at 4:31 am

    Hogwarts is real because Harry Potter and the philosophers stone says so.

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    Glenn Dewar

    September 9, 2014 at 5:29 am

    Yes, Dead State, you ALSO can not prove Ganesh does not exist.

    No one should be running around telling Hindus that they “know” Ganesha doesn’t exist, because in fact, you have no idea if he does or doesn’t.

    The Burden of Proof is on the person making the claim. If you claim God or Ganesha do not exist, the burden is on you.

    If you claim that God exists as a fact,then the burden is on you.

    The Unitarians have it right with their sometime motto for this occasion “Your guess is as good as mine”

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    September 9, 2014 at 6:34 am

    its cause religion was created by a government the Roman government created the Christianity religion to govern their people there is so much proof out there that explains most to all religions are based off the star system and i’m not going to explain that cause you can look it up yourself cause its to much to explain in a comment but yea just putting out there people are easily fooled by governments.

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    September 9, 2014 at 7:26 am

    The burden of proof is always with the one making the proposition whether it be positive or negative. In this case, this pastor is inviting an atheist who affirms the proposition, “God does not exist,” to prove it.

    And it is possible to prove a negative, btw.

    i.e. Consider the proposition: Mount Kilimanjaro is not in my ass. Note: 1) this can be proven; and 2) the burden of proof is mine since I put forward the proposition.

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    Kian Za

    September 9, 2014 at 8:14 am


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    Stacie Renee

    September 9, 2014 at 8:24 am

    You really have zero understanding of evolution.

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    September 9, 2014 at 9:25 am

    It’s called “self-fufilling prophecy” for a reason. “You can’t see god because he doesn’t want you to!”

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    September 9, 2014 at 9:29 am

    How do you figure? People disbelieve things that are right in front of them every day! Take Christians for example…

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    September 9, 2014 at 9:42 am

    “The atheist religion” is an oxymoron… it has nothing to do with causing your faith to falter. It has everything to do with giving you the power of knowledge, if you’d only open your eyes. You’re welcome! Knowledge is power! But if you prefer your “opiate for the masses,” your security blanket, then by all means, go right ahead. Just please, for the betterment of the human race, do not procreate!

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    September 9, 2014 at 10:06 am

    So, let me get this strait… You are saying that in order to be a better person I have to believe in a sadistic, sociopathic, self-indulgent, misogynistic, genocidal, invisible Big Brother figure? I’ll just stick to saving lives all day (paramedic for life!)! I enjoy that. Buuuuut… I’m still going to “hell” because even though I save lives for a living, give to charity, volunteer every chance I get and am an all around good guy and a moral person to the benefit of my fellow man, I don’t believe in your god (note how I said “your god” not “God” because the vast majority human beings believe in a different god than you. You believe in yours because of the accident of birth into your family. 95% of people have the same religion as their parents…). Give. Me. A. Break…

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    September 9, 2014 at 10:55 am

    (at the 4:30 time mark) my answer is if we were still in the old testament yes I would. I would have no choice. Now that we are in the new testament I would not.

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    September 9, 2014 at 11:15 am

    What evidence?

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    September 9, 2014 at 2:51 pm

    Hi Guys. As much as I hate to say it..One day, every knee will bow and every tongue will confess that Jesus Is Lord. That means you and then and only then it will be too late.
    Enjoy your 70+ years now as the next life will be gnashing of teeth and torment. You might smirk or write some insulting reply and that’s ok. I am certain of my eternity and if you don’t change I’m also certain of yours. By the way, Josh was never a believer but a poser.

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    September 9, 2014 at 3:05 pm

    What a douche

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    September 9, 2014 at 5:33 pm

    God, as an omnipotent and omnipresent being, is still allowing those evil things to happen (and exist in the first place).

    Hell God made the Devil in the first place (also knowing what would happen), therefore making him (God) ultimately responsible for everything,

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    Scott Carpenter

    September 9, 2014 at 7:47 pm

    Except free will does not exist if an all powerful God is real. Because he knows the future, knows what actions you will take so there is not really a choice to do something different.

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    September 9, 2014 at 8:30 pm

    I assume the drug dealing often kept you out of school. First and foremost, evolution says that we share common ancestry, not that we evolved from monkeys. Humans are apes, and there are differences between apes and monkeys. Second, in order for that evil to exist, your omnipotent god would have to allow for it to exist. If your god created everything, then your god created evil. You may choose to believe in a dualistic system, but your omnipotent god would have to have created that other form whom you call satan. Third, the amount of charity churches donate for those less fortunate varies between churches, even within the same religion. Fourth, if your god did in fact ask you to take your child up on the mountain and kill him, you propose to play a game of chicken? You claim that your god wouldn’t let you, but that would mean your playing off the chances of him stopping you. So what happens if he doesn’t? Is he still the loving god you claim? If he does stop you, then all you have proven is that you’re willing to kill your own child because someone asked you to. Fifth, your assertion that the “orphans” of god are afraid of the world is completely inaccurate. The so-called orphans are the ones who investigate the world while you wrap yourself up in your false god. They are not the cowards, they are the ones who choose to grow instead of suckling a false deity’s teat in ignorance. Oh, and funny answer about who wrote Genesis. I was amused. At least you admitted that was a belief and not fact. That’s the important distinction.

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    Saul Goode

    September 9, 2014 at 9:48 pm

    I guess we won’t know for sure until we all die. All I know is that if you atheists are correct, I lose nothing and my ashes will be spread over some beautiful terrain that is very special to me. If the Bible is correct, I go to Heaven where there is no sorrow nor pain and those who do not believe will go to hell facing an eternity filled with pain, weeping and “gnashing of teeth.” It’s a no lose situation for me. I pray that your hearts will be softened.

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    Pious Man

    September 9, 2014 at 9:53 pm

    I see you all have quite a bit of free time to give to theological musings.

    Would you care to expend a small portion of your currently squandered free time to talk about our Dark Lord and Savior, Cthulhu?

    All hail.

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    September 9, 2014 at 11:01 pm

    The Christian religion is, above all the religions that ever prevailed or existed in ancient or modern times, the religion of wisdom, virtue, equity and humanity. – John Adams

    “He is the best friend to American liberty, who is most sincere and active in promoting true and undefiled religion, and who sets himself with the greatest firmness to bear down on profanity and immorality of every kind. Whoever is an avowed enemy of God, I scruple not to call him an enemy to his country.” – John Witherspoon

    In my view, the Christian religion is the most important and one of the first things in which all children, under a free government ought to be instructed … No truth is more evident to my mind than that the Christian religion must be the basis of any government intended to secure the rights and privileges of a free people. – Noah Webster, Preface Noah Webster Dictionary, 1828

    “Our laws and our institutions must necessarily be based upon and embody the teachings of the Redeemer of mankind. It is impossible that it should be otherwise; and in this sense and to this extent our civilization and our institutions are emphatically Christian…This is a Christian nation” – United States Supreme Court Decision in Church of the Holy Trinity v. United States, 1892

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    September 9, 2014 at 11:31 pm

    Yeah, i’ve looked it up. What’s the joke?
    Do the stars in the December sky not line up, the exact way stated in the film, pointing out where the sun will rise during those days, in question, every year? Even a bad astronomer can prove the truth in the film, about the precession, so prove to me where it’s wrong? (not just say, “look it up”)

    Or, please realize, that Zeitgeist has been lied about, for years now, so as to keep people from the truths it represents, specifically, what is in the 2nd & 3rd films about our worlds need for sustainable systems over plundering exploitative capitalism.

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    September 10, 2014 at 1:26 am

    However a true christian wouldn’t bet $ and just past his thoughts and prayers.

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    September 10, 2014 at 1:33 am

    Yes. God is the king of hide and seek. And no. Science does not disprove God.

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    September 10, 2014 at 1:40 am

    So you believe only out of fear? Because your God is a bully? If the portrayal of jehovah in the Bible is correct and he does exist, then I say better to reign in hell than serve that tyrant in heaven

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    September 10, 2014 at 2:00 am

    Argument from authority logical fallacy. Just because you can gather around people that believe the same thing, it does not give your position anymore credibility.

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    September 10, 2014 at 2:04 am

    We can do the same thing too
    “Question with boldness even the existence of a god; because if there be one he must approve of the homage of reason more than that of blindfolded fear.” -Thomas Jefferson

    “Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the government for a redress of grievances.” -First Amendment of the United States

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    September 10, 2014 at 2:05 am

    United States’s Constitution*

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    September 10, 2014 at 2:07 am

    That is very historically inaccurate. Check your sources.

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    Thomas Moore

    September 10, 2014 at 2:08 am

    A. Stop being judgmental..
    B. Stop having kids..

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    September 10, 2014 at 2:10 am

    Rather live my life as a thinker, than to submit to someone else’s ideologies. If it means eternity in hell, so be it. It’s better than to be a blind follower

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    September 10, 2014 at 3:16 am

    You stated Pascal’s wager. There is a common rebuttal to this: The problem with the wager is that you may be fooled. That is, by a simple modification of Pascal’s wager, we say by believing in god you guarantee your hereafter is in hell and by abstaining from believing when there is no substantial proof is what god truly wants, and you will thereby go to heaven. Now you are left to take Pascal’s wager, or the other modified wager (actually, that’s a false dichotomy by bear with me, to see how well Pascal falls). Doesn’t seem 50/50 for old wager against new wager now though does it? The new wager has meat as a good way to weed out the blind fools. For it is clear god blessed us with reason, and only the most rational have progressed through time. That is, history indicates god prefers the reasonable (and beetles) and so would want someone reasonable by his side for eternity, not some blithering fool who would bite on whatever he’s fed.

    And also, and more problematic, if god is real and the wager is inescapable, then god set that down knowingly. What an atrocious, trivial, inbred to the point of crazy roman emperor of a god that would be. You in the coliseum, god there in the stands with no stake of his own, making you chose doors, with a tiger behind one that will maul you, literally, to infinity.

    Finally, you said at the beginning, “All you know” is Pascal’s wager is true. But now, I have shown Pascal’s wager has a, literally intro to philosophy, textbook rebuttal. The only thing you knew is no longer. Your no lose situation, you took for granted cause someone fed it to you and you bit, is no longer a no lose situation. I pray that your mind will be hardened.

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:36 am

    Care to provide any proof for that wild, baseless accusation? (For the record, the bible isn’t proof, that’s your claim… Without that, all you have are the ravings of madmen who hear voices.)

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:42 am

    Post all the quotes you like… The United States was founded as and remains to this day, a secular nation.

    Just because the majority of people that inhabit this country “claim” to be Christian (I’d LOVE to hear their HONEST answer when asked if they’re Christian and not the one their family pressured them into saying), means nothing… Might doesn’t make right.

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:44 am

    Here’s another quote from John Adams for you “This would be the best of all possible worlds if there were no religion in it.”

    See, I can post meaningless quotes as well, it doesn’t change reality one bit. 😉

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:47 am


    I also find it hilariously telling how 99.99% of ALL religious people just happen to practice the religion that they were born into, the one that they were indoctrinated into as impressionable children who are programmed by evolution to mimic their parents to improve their survival rate… Yet when religion appeared it actually hindered survival rates because of all the bat shit crazy “laws” and “sins” that got people murdered over the past 4000+ years.

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    September 10, 2014 at 5:36 am

    Why do you care? Can your version of science provide a hope for eternal life?

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    September 10, 2014 at 6:02 am

    It gives them a warm and fuzzy feeling when they shout to the world that they believe in a book like the bible (which is filled with contradictions and horrible, horrible acts committed against humans by their so called “all loving, all good” invisible friend…).

    That way they can live their lives without ever actually having to think about reality for themselves, because “thinking is hard” /sadface emoji 🙁

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    Mystery Man

    September 10, 2014 at 6:07 am

    Jesus never came for the rich..he came for the poor..he never came for the happy, he came for the sad, he never came for the full, he came for the empty, he never came for the smart, he came for those considered dumb, he never came for the proud, he came for the humble, he never came for the fulfilled, he came for the needy. and so on and so forth. He came for such people to imply that he can get someone who is regarded as the low of the lowest in society and make them great beyond disbelief. A disbelief that those who think they know cannot even fathom or understand it with their supposedly physical human knowledge. If you have any of what we see as the positive privileges of life with no knowledge that all that came from God, of course the further away and the closed you will be regarding his very existence and the more you will agree with man’s physical discoveries because that is the realm you are comfortable with.
    Take the law for example. Some people do not break any law or have not done so for so long that they only follow it by reflex or unconsciously. That the law protects them everyday diminishes by day until something wakes them up to their conscious surprise that they were in fact under some law. They have never been subjected to the need to seek help from the law institutions or haven’t done so for so long that they do not even remember that the judiciary exists. They do not care about any existence of the law and institutions that instituted those laws. Such people would likely think there is no need for law or governing institutions simply because they live without the need for it so everyone else can do the same. Are they really law abiding citizens? No to me and it depends with the context. Well the law must be there anyhow. There is an authority to every law and it has to be recognised and respected. Same with God.

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    September 10, 2014 at 6:19 am

    But God is omniscient and omnipotent. So he knows who’s going to go on a separate path anyway.

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    September 10, 2014 at 6:25 am

    Such views still have no evidence of being such and it is just you wanting to have something mystical about it. Atoms don’t have a god in between them, nor the universe. Everything just is. Now let’s move torward a more scientific world.

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    September 10, 2014 at 7:00 am

    Please provide legitimate proof in reality that “Jesus came for anyone”, again, the bible isn’t proof, that’s where all of Christianity’s claims and assertions come from.

    Until such proof is presented, evaluated by scientists and can also be tested and evaluated by anyone else on the planet, these claims are still going to be viewed as baseless and without evidence to support them, otherwise known as “myths”.

    Sorry if that offends you, but honestly, if it really, truly does offend you, maybe you should spend less time “spreading the gospel” and more time actually searching for proof of even the smallest claims and assertions. That way you can avoid being offended before you’re even offended and be viewed by the rest of the rational minded, skeptical members of society that don’t just believe stories because it makes them feel good or they “wish” they were true.

    Hell, if wishing something were true actually made it true, I’d be able to walk without the use of a cane and I wouldn’t live in constant pain due to an accident that happened in the reality in which we all share.

    Now don’t get me wrong, I respect people and their right to say what ever they please, but with that right comes the right of others to criticize those things that are said if they don’t match up with the reality in which we all share.

    Also, your last paragraph didn’t really make much sense, you typed a lot about “man’s law” and then at the end you just made a baseless assertion that there was some sort of “higher power” without providing even a shred of evidence in support of that assertion, that’s not how reality works my friend. When you assert something like you did at the end with “There is an authority to every law and it has to be recognised and respected. Same with God.”, While I “kind of” agree that there is an authority to every law, I completely disagree with your assertion that it “has” to be recognized and respected.

    I can think of many laws that deserved no recognition or respect, slavery comes to mind. Which is condoned and encouraged by your god and Jesus in the bible on more than one occasion in multiple passages and before you say “god/Jesus didn’t condone slavery”, well then, why are there rules for how severely you can beat your slaves? Where you can buy them from and for how much? Which specific people can be enslaved and for how long? etc.

    These are passages that can’t be cherry picked around, they’re written there for all to see plain as the nose on your face. If the bible is the inerrant word of god, transcribed by men at his command, then why would any “just”, “merciful”, “all loving”, “all good” god have laws condoning such a disgusting practice in the first place??

    Then there there’s the whole “a rape victim is forced to marry the man who raped her, but only after the rapist pays the father of the victim 50 pieces of silver ‘as an apology to the father for devaluing his property(see:daughter)”.

    How exactly could that be a law that a supposedly “all loving, all merciful, just” god could think of and actually enforce?

    These are just two of the horrendously disgusting “laws” that only an evil monster would think were even “slightly” OK and worthy of enforcing on the entirety of the human species… There are more disgusting things handed down directly from god in the bible that I could type, but I “think” (hope) you get the point of my reply.

    When someone actually reads the bible, word for word and doesn’t attempt to put a “warm, fuzzy, you have to think about the time it was written though” spin on it, they will see that most of it is an insane horror story, that authors like Stephen King could only dream about writing in their lifetime… (Yes, I’m aware that there are at least 60 separate books that make up the bible with numerous authors, most of which are anonymous, coincidentally of course. That’s actually another thing that really takes any credibility that the bible attempted to gain, the fact that no one actually knows who wrote MANY of the actual books that make it up and the fact that those books reference other books that were “taken out” and “omitted” by a committee of MEN (see: council of Nicaea).

    If the bible is the “holy” and “inerrant” word of a god, why is it that human men had and still have SO MUCH control over what’s in it and how you’re “supposed” to read it?

    If it’s such a “perfect” book, then why are there 40,000+ denominations of Christians, none of which can completely agree on which parts are factual and which parts are “only metaphors” not to be “taken literally”?

    That just screams “fake” to me and It’s obvious, with how many people have finally opened up and said it screams “fake” to them as well.

    Being skeptical is NEVER a bad thing, examining evidence is NEVER a bad thing. Anyone who says “stop asking questions”, has something to hide and shouldn’t be trusted… (I’m not claiming that you specifically “shouldn’t be trusted”, I’m saying that ANYONE who says they have all the answers and nothing else should be investigated is flat out lying, that would go for myself as well, but I was only that dumb when I was a teenager, who thought he had the world figured out. Then I grew up and realized what everyone should realize when they become an adult, the more you claim to have all the answers, the more you show that you know nothing at all.

    All I ask you to do, is to embrace skepticism and critical thinking, it can only make your life better through seeking knowledge in reality, you’ll never find all of the answers to all of the questions in life in a single book. Anyone who tells you they have such a book is, sadly (and honestly, shame on them for deceiving others and themselves if they “truly” believe their baseless assertions), breaking the ninth commandment of their own holy book that they’re using to further their own agenda.

    Which now a days, is 99 times out of 100, in the pursuit of monetary gain and that makes them a terrible, disgusting excuse for a human being…


    I can’t stress that enough! More people proclaiming that the bible is the inerrant, truthful word of a god, is either lying, deceived by others who lied to them or they’ve completely abandoned their ability to think rationally and critically! Which makes me very sad, how will we keep progressing if there are people actively trying to retard progress? (the use of the word “retard” by it’s dictionary definition, which is “to hold back or impede”.

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    September 10, 2014 at 7:23 am

    If it’s the god depicted in the bible, then there’s no possible way that I could “follow” him at all. The god depicted in the bible is a horrible character, one of the worst, if not THE worst, ever described via written word or through a “folk story”.

    I don’t know how anyone can have read the bible completely and still follow such a character, faith or not… I’m actually inclined to believe that for a lot of “followers”, it’s the fear of eternal torture that “really” prompts them to admit to following the character of the god described in the bible. (I could be wrong, because I doubt many would actually admit that it’s the “fear of eternal torture” that causes them to actually be followers of god in the first place, they would most likely be afraid of what their immediate peers/family/congregation though of such an answer.

    True honesty is something that you don’t often see in most people, deep down where it actually matters most.

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    Tom Beller

    September 10, 2014 at 3:30 pm

    Technically this guy is not Atheist but an Agnostic. Either way he is spot on.

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    Zeek B

    September 10, 2014 at 3:50 pm

    I think God could exist, and I think of religions as simple (very old, very outdated) road maps to a divine place I call spirituality.

    You have religious people who chant to other road map holders about who’s map is better, sometimes hurling rocks. But so many are not walking the path. Maybe all those paths lead to the same place?

    An Atheist may declare there is no road, there is no path, or there is no destination. My own personal experiences say differently. I suppose that’s the problem with spirituality, it’s personal. It always has been, it always will be.

    Above all, perspective is a real bitch. If there is something to find out there by looking within, rather than the outside world. How will you ever know, if you never look for it?

    It wasn’t a skeptic that found America was it?

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    September 10, 2014 at 3:51 pm

    I thought the main “belief” of atheism is that there is no God.

    It may not be “proving” a negative, but it is definitely asserting and believing one. Feuerstein is taking the central claim of atheism and saying “prove it.” It’s the same as if he went to Islam and said “prove that God is one and Muhammad is his prophet.” I’m just not sure why you’re all bent out of shape that he’s asking you to prove the main tenet of your **lack of** faith.

    Maybe it frustrates you because you are defining yourself by a negative that you are saying is impossible to prove.

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    This made my whole day.

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:20 pm

    Spirituality falls under exactly the same category as religion does. It is a faith-based belief, therefore impossible to test, and can be rejected with no backfires whatsoever. Your spirituality ideas are exactly the same crap with different words. It is still useless to reality.

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:38 pm

    I think there is no evidence to support the idea that the universe is anything but indifferent to itself and its contents. An omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, eternal absolute precludes creation.

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    September 10, 2014 at 4:39 pm

    Looking within yourself makes no sense. What does that even mean?? If it involves thinking, there’s philosophy, not spirituality. That is how you truly unlock the path to finding truth, because it’s learning to take ideas and analyzing them logically, you learn to find the true meaning of what it is to think, and what it means to live. Thanks to that, and science, I can live happily in what reality truly is. Accepting the universe as it is, not as you want it to be, is what I feel that you’d describe as spiritual, but caused by how awesome reality is.

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    September 10, 2014 at 5:02 pm

    Summary of article: “Some Christian ‘pastor’ said some stupid and illogical things. Some atheist proved the statements were stupid and illogical.” Wow. This is really worthy of an article or report. Congrats.

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    September 10, 2014 at 5:28 pm

    “Believing with you that religion is a matter which lies solely between man and his God, that he owes account to none other for his faith or his worship, that the legislative powers of government reach actions only, and not opinions, I contemplate with sovereign reverence that act of the whole American people which declared that their legislature should ‘make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof,’ thus building a wall of separation between church and State.” Thomas Jefferson

    “I do not feel obliged to believe that the same God who has endowed us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forgo their use.” – Galileo

    “The study of theology, as it stands in Christian churches, is the study of nothing; it is founded on nothing; it rests on nothing; it proceeds by no authorities; it has no data; it can demonstrate nothing.”–Thomas Paine

    “If I were not an atheist, I would believe in a God who would choose to save people on the basis of the totality of their lives and not the pattern of their words. I think he would prefer an honest and righteous atheist to a TV preacher whose every word is God, God, God, and whose every deed is foul, foul, foul.” ~Isaac Asimov

    Yay quotes!

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    Larry Flynt

    September 10, 2014 at 5:38 pm

    And if the Muslims have it right you go to he’ll. Or if you missed on ganesha/thor/oden/zeuss/the flying spaghetti monster.

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    Seth Hatlelid

    September 10, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    you are incorrect, it’s unlikely that Kilmanjaro is in your ass. But it’s not impossible. It cannot be demonstrated to not be there. Perhaps it is undetectable with our present capabilities. Now I know that this sounds stupid, but it is LOGICALLY possible. That is why you cannot prove a negative with logic. That’s you start with a null hypothesis and either retain or reject it, but you never prove it.

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    September 10, 2014 at 5:51 pm

    Honestly, I feel insulted that you are threatening people to convert to your religion. I feel that your concern isn’t very genuine and I think that lashing out on the internet isn’t right (in my moral opinion). I feel no need to disclose my religious opinions.

    This is just a statement of what I hope to be a mutually agreed-upon thought.

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    September 10, 2014 at 5:52 pm

    Thank you. Do you have any pamphlets?? 😀

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    September 10, 2014 at 9:15 pm

    I think what he means is that on the topic of EXISTENCE, you can’t prove a negative. Obviously if i say my car is not parked in my driveway, you can visually see that it’s parked in the street. Einstein has some insight on the matter. Da dum chh!

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    Ari Zed (@RezOKC)

    September 10, 2014 at 11:24 pm

    Eh. Satanism is just a sect of Christianity. At least where the ones who actually take it seriously are concerned.

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    September 10, 2014 at 11:35 pm

    Which guy? Me? “Technically” I’m an Agnostic Atheist, because I don’t claim to “KNOW” one way or the other, but I certainly don’t believe any of the nonsense that religions have claimed/asserted over the last few thousand years…

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    September 10, 2014 at 11:40 pm

    You’re getting it a little mixed up, the majority of “honest” Atheists, don’t believe the claims made by Theists about the existence of any god/s.

    There’s a big difference between the two statements “I don’t believe god/s exist” and “I believe no god/s exist”.

    Dishonest Theists always try and and force the second, “positive claim” on Atheists in a pathetic attempt at discrediting them because most don’t have a single convincing argument for the existence of their god/s or even why they believe in said god/s aside from “feelings” and “personal experience”, which are both anecdotal evidence at best and basically meaningless to someone else that isn’t the person with the “feeling” and or “personal experience”.

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    Mystery Man

    September 11, 2014 at 12:09 am

    Even an ant perhaps thinks it’s the most intelligent creature on the planet and credits itself about the knowledge of its surroundings and activities. Choose your intelligence and let’s see how far you go. I will choose WISDOM any day all the way on top of my intelligence. Yes I’m intelligent too but I have more, I’m wiser. The beginning of wisdom is knowing your maker and all Wisdom comes from His word, the bible. if you don’t know your maker, yes, intelligence is the furthest you can go. If intelligence is your only tool in life, my friend, you are only living for today and not tomorrow. If where you are today with your intelligence is the best place you have ever been, I’m telling u today that you are only aiming for the ground and not for the sky. By the way, I have no doubt that indeed you r intelligent for I sense no wisdom in you at all.

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    Mystery Man

    September 11, 2014 at 12:10 am

    Even an ant perhaps thinks it’s the most intelligent creature on the planet and credits itself about the knowledge of its surroundings and activities. Choose your intelligence and let’s see how far you go. I will choose WISDOM any day all the way on top of my intelligence. Yes I’m intelligent too but I have more, I’m wiser. The beginning of wisdom is knowing your maker and all Wisdom comes from His word, the bible. if you don’t know your maker, yes, intelligence is the furthest you can go. If intelligence is your only tool in life, my friend, you are only living for today and not tomorrow. If where you are today with your intelligence is the best place you have ever been, I’m telling u today that you are only aiming for the ground and not for the sky. By the way, I have no doubt that indeed you r intelligent for I sense no wisdom in you at all.

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:45 am

    “Note: This section does NOT address things that are in the companion guide for the movie. If you want information on that, please see the companion guide page.”

    Real scientific & logical, just believe some bs forum post over looking into the companion guide, for the film. That makes perfect sense, it must make cherry picking minor issues much easier, then to actually watch the films & do some research for yourself.

    Your arrogance about your ignorance, also doesn’t address the sustainability issues i’ve brought up either.

    Seriously, if this is what you call being a skeptic, then i’m going to ask you to review this video;

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:57 am

    What a silly reply that you can’t possibly begin to prove to anyone else that isn’t inside of your head…

    Hasn’t it been said in your bible that bragging is a terrible quality in a person?

    I also find it quite pathetic that you keep trying to insult the person you’re responding to, but each time you do, you just look like a complete ass who’s making little to no sense in reality.

    You’ve heard of reality right?

    It’s that place where your body resides but from what you’ve posted, it seems like your mind spends little to no time here at all.

    Instead of just being a condescending prick, why not try and use reason and logic to convey opinions and ideas, it’s called holding a meaningful conversation with another living human being and not just that voice in your head that seems to be telling you that acting like a “holier than thou” douche bag was a good idea.

    You post things like that and then act all shocked and surprised why rational, critically thinking people think you’re a nut job ass hat.

    You should try spending less time blowing smoke up your own ass and acting like you’re somehow better than others because you have an invisible friend that we “can’t possibly begin to know because we don’t already believe” (i.e. “have faith”), sorry, but I require at least some evidence before I begin to “believe” anything and I’ve yet to see a single shred of even slightly convincing evidence for the existence of this god that you worship, in all 33 years I’ve spent living on this planet we can Earth (you know, the one that revolves around the Sun and has a Moon that “isn’t” a light source, like your holy book claims it to be…).

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    Mystery Man

    September 11, 2014 at 1:15 am

    See, how many things have scientists proved that you also have proven through the same methods? If proof of your existence awaits results of a scientific research verified by another person, then I am sorry I cannot help you. I am not sure if you are seeking to understand or you don’t want to understand but just throwing in an argument. But if its help to understand, then I am sorry I cannot because all the evidence I have is right in from of you for you like to see first to believe. Well its all in front of you then. You have eyes but you cannot see.

    God said, blessed are those those who do not have to see in order to believe. Tell me in your life, where do you get courage to achieve something? If you have goals, those goals are intangible. how do get to execute action to fulfil those goals when they are virtually in existent. Do you wait for a psychic, scientist or a fortune teller?

    if 40,000 religions exists, it is because that is exactly how it should be for man was given the freedom to choose, was given an independent brain, mind and destiny. That which you will so value in this life has to be laboured for and searched for. It does not come on silver platter. You are likely to grasp a wrong thing in this jungle but once you discover it was not right for you, you drop it, learn, grow and keep searching. How would you achieve growth without facing a challenge? Now God has let all these belief systems co exist with the absolute truth so that you can roll your sleeves and fetch for that truth while getting through obstacles in the process. He will reward those who fetch it. He just has not let us fetch it without clues though. Clues are there but even with the clues, you will be challenged too especially if you chose to not follow his word. Its all for spiritual and personal growth.
    That is all I can say to you.

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    Mystery Man

    September 11, 2014 at 1:41 am

    This is where you do not ask a human being to give you that evidence. You ask God himself and He will show you exactly what you want to know. Its that simple. He does not bite so why don’t you try Him? Why is it easier to pick a theory by that guy but not ask God for the actual truth? I warn you not to dwell on the negative things you see some Christians or religions do because called oneself religions or a Christian does not mean you got it right. Ask God Himself and he will show you the way, the truth and the light for there is nothing wrong with Him or about Him. Man can be wrong but that does not mean God is too. I cannot prove anything to you for I do not have the gift to heal, or the gift to calm the storm, or the gift to turn rocks into bread. But I can only point you to where exactly you seek your answers. And that is Yahweh Himself. He himself said no everyone who says Yahweh Yahweh will be in my kingdom.

    And by the way some people think believing in God strips you off intelligence, blind folds you or what not. Oops! Intelligence for what? What do you know that I do not or wouldn’t know? What career are you in that I cannot or some Jim or Jack cannot also pursue? What book have you read that I cannot access and read? What reason and logic have you applied that I cannot or do not know about? All I am saying is, I also have all this, we all have this. But that is not all. More is with Yahweh. If you have knowledge of Him, you will be surprised about how dumb you were.

    If you are simply getting irritated by my in fact beautiful message, then you have a serious serious problem. You accept a message of peace, hope, truth, love and comfort from another person like your lover, son, scientist, parent, friend and e.t.c but you dislike and hate knowing the source that has the abundance of it? You are saying yes to a tap but not the sea? Then you have a problem. a very serious one.

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    September 11, 2014 at 1:49 am

    1st sentence: comma splice and misspelling of “exist.”

    2nd: incorrect comma usage

    3rd: misspelling of exist

    4th: unnecessary “a” before “part of a fad,” two comma splices, bandwagon is separated into two words, and incorrect usage of ellipsis

    5th: God is not capitalized as proper nouns should be, “exist” is misspelled, and counterarguments is separated into two words

    6th: Disagrees is erroneously punctuated by an apostrophe

    7th: Ironically, “grammar” is misspelled

    Also, Dalton, you may want to take a philosophy or basic critical thinking course, as the “you have to first believe to disbelieve” logic was discredited long ago. I can not believe in the Easter bunny, but first I would have to believe in the Easter Bunny. Oh, man! The Easter Bunny is real!

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    How is this still a thing?

    September 11, 2014 at 2:15 am

    I found true freedom with quantum physics… and the Flying Spaghetti Monster, he’s pretty great too.

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    Melissa Renae

    September 11, 2014 at 2:41 am

    I’m an atheist and I don’t argue that God doesn’t exist. How can I argue a negative? I simply don’t have any reason to believe that there IS a God. The positive has never been proven true.

    Your argument fails the test of logic unless you’re willing to admit that fairies, goblins, and big-foots all exist. If you say that fairies don’t exist then does that mean you first believed that fairies did exist? Are you on the bandwagon of people who think it’s cool not to believe in fairies?

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    Billy Boyd

    September 11, 2014 at 3:51 am

    You live in hypocracy, accepting the areas of science with which you are comfortable and rejecting those that challenge your beliefs. I would normally not care, but you have elected to pass judgment on someone else to boot, so I feel sorry for you.

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    Billy Boyd

    September 11, 2014 at 3:53 am

    It’s spelled grammar.

    Also, by your logic, since you don’t believe in magic elves, then you DO believe in magic elves so that there would be something for you to disbelieve.

    Get off your high horse. The Bible has a lot to say about judging others.

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    Tim Donk

    September 11, 2014 at 8:43 am

    So you believe in every god and mythical creature ever created?….. “Grammar”.

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    September 11, 2014 at 10:52 am

    I will give anyone who can prove the tooth fairy doesn’t exist $1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:10 pm

    So wait, you’re criticizing me as a skeptic and the page’s information solely based on this “Note: This section does NOT address things that are in the companion guide for the movie. If you want information on that, please see the companion guide page.”? Now that is a logical fallacy right there, sir/ma’am. Zeitgeist is filled with historical inaccuracies, I’m not here to support your conspiracy theories and say they’re true because some whacky documentary said so. You are citing irrelevant facts from that page, in order to dismiss it completely. Everything on that page has something Zeitgeist doesn’t, sources. As a skeptic, you must always make sure that the content is these types of articles come from a valid source. You make a mockery out of skepticism if you consider yourself one.

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:19 pm

    It’s not an irrelevant fact, the companion guide has all of the sources for the film. To say it is irrelevant is your way of dismissing all the evidence the film is based on. Your “skepticism” mocks itself.

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:25 pm

    Also the video link you sent me sounds like one of you zeitgeist fanatics trying to justify being logically flawed. That video is a circle jerk for people like you. History, as we know it, is the best thing we have so far, and it’s all things that have actually been recorded to be true. The website link I put up had historical sources, if you reject those based on the logic on your video, then there is nothing I can do, because I won’t convince someone that doesn’t accept facts using facts.

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:30 pm

    “If you want information on that, please see the companion guide page.” You could always go and take a look at it yourself, you know?

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:34 pm

    You are still missing the point here, I proved you were ignoring the companion guide, the actual sources you have demanded, & then said were irrelevant. You have already proven your logic = fail!

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    September 11, 2014 at 12:54 pm

    You are deliberately missing the point now, you demanded sources, the companion guide, is a list of all of the sources. Your septic buddies, do the same & think no one will catch their/your bs.

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    September 11, 2014 at 1:01 pm

    Why put a specific gender for god his he him?? What if it’s a her she her

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    September 11, 2014 at 1:04 pm

    Now I have looked at your so-called sources for the guide. I find it hard to find any of the sources provided to actually go back to the actual mythology of these gods. They all seem to be sources of news articles, opinions and studies, not based on any actual facts. I’ll give you that there’s a ton of sources, I guess Zeitgeist had to squeeze every possible article they could find in order to seem legitimate. My website actually uses the actual historical document as a source, not an interpretation of it. The whole section of religion in Zeitgeist comes from a 1999 book (see and unsurprisingly enough, her books were criticized by scholars because of inaccuracies. Maybe skeptic is the wrong term for me, I would say falsificationist is better. I only believe things for which there is evidence, both you and Zeitgeist’s claims have none. Your sad attempts to try to gain some legitimacy have failed. If you’re so sure of your conspiracy theory, you should write me a counterargument for the link I provided originally, using valid historical sources. I follow the rules of logic, which means committing no logical fallacies. Here’s what you and your Zeitgeist guide are committing

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    September 11, 2014 at 1:09 pm

    It’s not just sources that I want, I want historically accurate sources. Sources that are either primary, secondary, or tertiary sources. Which a quick look at Zeitgeist’s “sources” list will immediately indicate none of the sources are any of those categories. You conspiracy theorists are a joke. The illusion of knowledge has blinded you from seeing what is actually there

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    September 11, 2014 at 1:15 pm

    Again, you demand source, then dismiss them, with out looking into it deeper at all, the fallacy of logic is continuous from you. Your constant appeal to denial & unwillingness to even look at the sources, you demanded, show’s you have zero desire to learn. You are only egoicly clinging to your obvious biases.

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    September 11, 2014 at 1:51 pm

    My unwillingness to look at the sources comes from there being way too much sources (don’t want to waste my time) and the fact that I went down the list, one by one, reading the title of each source until I got around the sources that start with D and it started getting repetitive as to what it was doing. I failed to find a single primary, secondary, or tertiary source. If you know of such a document among those sources, please provide it and I’ll gladly read it. But until then, I will keep believing the history taught as it is. You should also go and look at the link I provided originally, and look at their sources, theirs are actually legit. Good thing you didn’t get me two years ago when I fell for the bullshit that is Zeitgeist among other conspiracies.

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    September 11, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    You won’t “waste” your time reading the source material you demanded & said didn’t exist, then when you were proven wrong, you continue to dismiss the data, & not provide any rational evidence to either invalidate the cited sources, nor provide sources which have the capacity to validate your claims. The fact that you continue to do this, proves you are not being logical. But you are not logical enough to even comprehend this, so, have fun with your psychological distortion of faith! Let me know when you can provide evidence of your “god”‘ I’ll be happy to examine it?

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    September 11, 2014 at 4:23 pm

    Think of it this way – when I say “if there is a God, strike me dead right now!”, and I finish this sentence . . . . . here.

    Well, I’m not making a claim. I’m adding a test to the claimed hypothesis that there is a God who intervenes in human affairs. It’s not claiming a ‘belief’ there’s no God, it’s saying there’s no proof for God, and without proof I won’t accept it as fact.

    There could be a invisible pink unicorn in the asteroid belt – but if you can’t find it and it doesn’t affect anything, does it matter?

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    September 11, 2014 at 5:30 pm

    You want sources? Well easy, look for the mythology for each of those gods mentioned in Zeitgeist and truly compare them. Look for those primary sources, look up Egyptian mythology for Horus, Hindu mythology for Krishna, and every single other god, and then tell me they’re all the same as Jesus. Also, I am an agnostic atheist, I really have no idea where you got that I was religious.

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    September 11, 2014 at 5:37 pm

    Have fun with that, the sky in December still shows the constellations as described in the film. Joseph in bible & Jesus 20 vs30 pieces of silver, Judah VS judas sellout…. big difference, you must be right, excuse me while I go do something more productive, then waste my time defending something, you refuse to look at the sources of.

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    September 11, 2014 at 5:40 pm

    Wow, Zeitgeist got constellations right, that must make them right? You can’t go wrong with primary sources. They’re much less than the bunch of trash that Zeitgeist’s guide considered to be sources.

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    September 11, 2014 at 5:49 pm

    You wouldn’t know, you never looked at it.

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    September 11, 2014 at 7:18 pm

    Who knows who is right or wrong…I for one just don’t care..because in the end it really doesn’t matter, we each will answer to our own mortality…I will however say I have believed and now I am totally lost as to what to believe. I lost my mother last year and I saw how so called “Christians” treated this woman who was a good woman and friend to them. I went to church faithfully and even taught Sunday School for years and one thing I learned is people in church are so hypocritical. They preach love and treat their fellow man worse than dirt. My mom was a faithful servant of that church for years and when she got cancer it was if she had a plague..very few people came to see her …to comfort her when she needed them. This is what people see, this is the legacy that so many people are leaving behind. A world that is so totally about themselves…I go to see a friend of mine that has cancer and this is what I hear from her…that her church has deserted her. she thanks me that I keep up with her and go see her and try to help in whatever way I can to make her life a little better..what happened to humanity where we love and HELP one another?…it has become a place where you fear your neighbor and yes even your loved ones will put a knife in your back…I would love a world where everyone just cared for and helped each other and kept their religious convictions to themselves…Not judging, just loving …that is the world I would love to see. I in no way claim to be anything other than human. I love people and I would never want to see ANYONE hurt. Our laws are flawed and it is a dog eat dog world. I had fellow members tell me to trust that everything was gonna be ok…it wasn’t …my mom died…and where were these people …they were not at her side…in fact they completely gave up on her…when she needed their support more than ever. I don’t even know if she suffered…how could you know when your loved one is on morphine and so out of it they don’t know who you are…I just don’t know about anything anymore..other than I hope there is something more. I try to be the absolute best I can be…to me this means helping people everyday, loving people in spite of their flaws, cause we all have them. Help someone today and see how good it makes you feel. Be kind and say kind words and see how that can swell your heart…It makes me feel good to help others and I never say anything about God, my belief system or anything referring to religion. If you are a good person it will show without you having to say anything..I can’t change what other people believe no more than ANYONE can change what I believe. It should just be as simple as that…you go to your church and I’ll go to mine…you believe in what you want and I will believe what I want…live your life and I’ll live mine..never criticizing just loving…that I think is what humanity should be all about not what is taking our focus off the things that really matter…LIVING…cause if you aren’t living your are DYING!

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    September 11, 2014 at 8:32 pm

    No one is an idiot for expressing their opinion

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    September 11, 2014 at 8:44 pm

    Atheist – “a person who disbelieves or lacks belief in the existence of God or gods.”

    Neo-Classical prefix “a-” means not, or without.

    Atheist is a person without religion, not someone against theists, or against Christ.

    It’s uneducated people like you that make the rest of you look like arrogant, illiterate idiots.

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    September 11, 2014 at 10:41 pm

    There are a lot of problems with what you said, so I will just name one: Even if everything you said is true, but we replaced your god with Thor, it still would hold the same level of credibility. Even if you proved there was a creator, whose to say its the christian god? You’re just another idiot desperately trying to hold onto his illusions. I really hate people like you; people who have a brain they can use to think but refuse to do so because it is easier to have blind faith. Please remove yourself from our society. If your god is so real then you can just pray for your food like Noah did.

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    September 11, 2014 at 10:47 pm

    You claim that you are gaining wisdom from a being that, if existed, is the single most unwise being to ever have been. All the power and knowledge to ever have existed and he cant even prove his own existence? You may very well be an intelligent person, but you waste it by believing like a fool.

    An intelligent person (or even a stupid person, for that matter) can know the bible calls for faith. A wise person considers that most, if not all, other religions also call for faith, and also claim that having faith proves that religion is true. A wise man considers that and realizes they can’t all be true yet they all require faith, so faith must not be a reliable means. I feel very sorry for christians and people of all other religions because even if they use wisdom in every other aspect of their lives, they still rely on foolish notions and ignorance on what arguably is the most important issue that faces anyone: the meaning of life. The answer is, life means nothing, and yet everything. THAT is wisdom.

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    September 11, 2014 at 10:50 pm

    That statement is extremely offensive. Explain to us how someone who commands slavery is love. If your god were real and were love then no body would be having this discussion because he would have proven his existence in a way everyone would believe. HE HAS NOT! Either he doesn’t exist or he does not care.

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    September 11, 2014 at 10:53 pm

    If he existed he can prove himself.

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    September 12, 2014 at 12:57 pm

    Christianity does not entail the opposite of knowing suffering. In fact, suffering is the price we pay for free will. And the universe does not perform as a mindless machine. Superficially yes, perhaps, but there is a vast amount of order in the universe. Start with our solar system. We have been flying around our sun at a safe distance for billions of years.

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    September 12, 2014 at 3:18 pm

    The guy who posted this is an idiot.

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    bummed to involve myself in this

    September 12, 2014 at 5:17 pm

    You deadstate guys posted this wacky soapbox preacher’s video on your website, and then you encouraged discourse about it.

    That was probably dumb…

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    September 12, 2014 at 10:52 pm

    What inaccuracies would you like to point out to validate your opinions? Your repudiation seems rather vague on the specifics? Just because there is too much for you to go through, is no reason for any one to assume your fallacy claim is valid? FACTS or GTFO?

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    John Hill

    September 13, 2014 at 3:14 am

    that actually can be proved. just so you know.

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    September 13, 2014 at 8:23 am

    Teresa, I pray that God grants you the wisdom to understand his ways and not the ways of man. The thing that you fail to realize, is you are ignorant to the facts. If there is no God, then the laws of evolution would suggest that the way you viewed things are pointless. I wish I could talk to you personally to help you develop a better understanding about Our Creator and the purpose of Life. It is not just about living. God Bless You

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    September 13, 2014 at 4:28 pm

    If the opinion is well stated, and reasonably intelligent. Sorry, but the pastor is an idiot. He has little or no knowledge with regard to the subject ie proving the non-existence of a god no one can prove exists

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    September 13, 2014 at 4:42 pm

    The Red Sea *may* have parted due to high winds, low water levels, and a reef that runs from coast to coast. Your documentarty as garbage.

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    September 13, 2014 at 5:16 pm

    The ways of man is the only thing we have to go for, because the idea of a god is a man-made thing. The theory of evolution and all of nature works fine without your god. It is logically flawed to assume there is a god without no evidence to support such claim. Through your religion you’ve been filled with a these false ideas about the universe, that I can only feel pity in your ignorance. Many of us knew what it meant to be a “follower of God.” I come from a Catholic background, but later realized it is all unnecessary, and just a product of human imagination.

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    September 13, 2014 at 5:18 pm

    By that logic you could prove God doesn’t exist. Which is logically impossible. He doesn’t exist anyway, so it’s all good.

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    September 13, 2014 at 7:10 pm

    She is not the one that is ignorant of facts, that’s you, with that malarkey about ” Laws of Evolution”. There is no such thing, nor is there any god. Let the lady grieve in peace instead of trying to con her with fantastical b.s.

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    glad I'm not the only one

    September 13, 2014 at 9:16 pm

    This legitimately made me laugh. You are too right.

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    September 14, 2014 at 2:24 pm

    My perspective on morality does not permit me to just let people be happy in whatever. I find it morally irresponsible to leave most people believe lies because it makes them happy. Reality isn’t about happiness, it is about learning. I do love my people though. I’m always there for my friends and family that need me, but I still find it wrong to let people believe whatever. One can change their beliefs. I did. All one need is a little bit of reason and logic to realize God is as fictional as unicorns

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    September 14, 2014 at 2:34 pm

    Wrong. This book offers a story that one is supposed to blindly believe in order to have the promise of some eternal life we will get after we die. Oh but we can’t know whether that afterlife actually exists, nor if there is a god. But through that book you can pretend you know it’s true, you use that book as the one and only source for knowledge. An outdated, 2000 year old book filled with primitive ideas of morality, and unfair laws. The Bible is useless today. For morality, we have philosophy. For questions about the universe, we have science. The Bible teaches you how to be a deluded member of society that gets his ideas spoonfed to them, instead of thinking about it yourself.

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    Matt Edgin

    September 16, 2014 at 5:55 am

    Well by his logic I offer $250,000.00 to prove that he does exist. …dumb ass.

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    September 18, 2014 at 1:34 am

    allright here my question…. in order for something to exist it has to have a creator.. if god created the universe and all that fun stuff.. then who created god and so on and so forth

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    September 18, 2014 at 11:28 pm

    I can prove it. A man cannot live in a whale. A snake cannot talk. A bush cannot talk. The entire world was not flooded. PAY ME!

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    Richard Cesar

    September 19, 2014 at 7:42 pm

    Obviously that is a weighted question, but a good theory for what your asking is presented by renowned behavioral psychologist Carl Jung, He coins “God” or “The Creator” as the “Collective Subconscious”. Worth a look IMHO.

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    September 19, 2014 at 8:38 pm

    His books should be named “How to have elaborate logical fallacies” by exempting God from the rules of logic, you are committing special pleading logical fallacy. And with that I already took down any point those books make without even reading them.

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    Richard Cesar

    September 19, 2014 at 8:52 pm

    Are you referring to Jung?
    If so, you presented nothing, showed you are unfamiliar with what the material is or about (in fact, it doesn’t say what you seem to imply you think it says), and, _IF_ you were correct (which you arn’t) would make you guilty of another fallacy.

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    Richard Cesar

    September 19, 2014 at 9:03 pm

    I’d also like to point out that having NOT read any of Jung’s books implies that you know very little of Science, for you would have surely studied his materials in depth in any college level curriculum, or any equivalent level of self-learning.

    My guess is you assumed I was a Christian (When I am an Atheist), and in doing show, showed immense ignorance. That level of ignorance does not do well for the argument against religion you realize this right?People like you need to go away, your giving them fodder.

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    Richard Cesar

    September 19, 2014 at 9:04 pm

    I’d also like to point out that having NOT read any of Jung’s books implies that you know very little of Science, for you would have surely studied his materials in depth in any college level curriculum, or any equivalent level of self-learning.

    My guess is you assumed I was a Christian (When I am an Atheist), and in doing show, showed immense ignorance. That level of ignorance does not do well for the argument against religion you realize this right?People like you need to go away, your giving them fodder.

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    September 20, 2014 at 8:53 pm

    The “Laws of Evolution” are not supposed to be philosophical/moral statements. They describe the development and diversity of life in the natural world. To your point, an omnipotent, omniscient, omnipresent, perfect, eternal absolute precludes creation. In other words, if such an entity existed there would be no need to create ANYTHING.

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    September 24, 2014 at 12:37 pm

    I will offer $1,000,000,000,000,000 to anyone who can prove that the tea cup floating around Pluto is not actually pink.

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    September 24, 2014 at 12:53 pm

    “having NOT read any of Jung’s books implies that you know very little of Science”

    IMO Carl Jung was not a scientist, although he often considered himself to be one. He was clearly an intelligent, imaginative, and interesting guy (he would have been familiar with science), but IMO he was not a scientist. I think he should be mentioned in an introduction to psychology course, because his ideas have influenced psychoanalysis and (more generally) psychotherapy, but I don’t think he should be taught in any science class. His theories are “intelligent” (i.e., of an academic-level standard) but they are not scientific.

    PS This isn’t important for your discussion, I’m just being pedantic!

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    September 24, 2014 at 1:00 pm

    PPS I should say that my definition of “scientist” is someone who investigates nature using the “scientific method”. Yung didn’t use the scientific method to come up with things such as archetypes, collective unconscious, Jungian analysis…

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    Mike Lince

    September 24, 2014 at 4:10 pm

    I am surprised Seth Andrews overlooked one of the most important questions that arises out of this topic. That is, ‘What is God?’ True Believers might be more comfortable with the question, ‘Who is God?’ In either case, I have never heard a satisfactory or believable description or definition of God. Most commonly I hear ‘He is the Creator’, but that simply begs the question, which becomes ‘What or who is the Creator?’ Changing God’s name doesn’t answer the question.

    The point is that it is not possible to prove something that you cannot even define. A typical Christian response is ‘just have faith.’ I do think of myself as faithful, just as I think of myself as ethical, honest, helpful, and caring. On the other hand, I do not think of myself as righteous, because that sounds so self-serving, which ironically is counter to everything Jesus supposedly stood for.

    The only logical response to the question, ‘Does God exist?’ is to clarify with the question, ‘What is God?’

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    seth garcia

    September 24, 2014 at 8:12 pm

    God is real! I called him up yesterday on my new iphone 6.. which by the way is a great phone! He has the 5s so hes jelly… its funny how people still believe these bible stories over logical forward thinking. I guess the earth really is flat and every time you get sick its actually demons. If god was real he wouldve called me or texted me to tell me “grow up.”

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    E Ruby Moon

    September 25, 2014 at 12:17 am

    Oi, I CAN prove there is no god: Dick Cheney received a heart transplant.

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    Richard Cesar

    September 25, 2014 at 4:47 am

    Nah, that only shows he has a sick sense of humor. But what do you expect from an all seeing all knowing entity that shows his infinite mercy by killing and raping children.

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    September 26, 2014 at 5:06 am

    You have morals because of your religious upbringing, you don’t have to believe in everything of the bible to not agree it is a starting place. If you grew up with a hoard of murderers you might think what they do is normal and right? The bible can and will lead you too a compassionate way of living, if that’s all it does, it has served it’s purpose.

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    September 26, 2014 at 9:59 am

    Logic?`What is logical about religion exactly? The fact that its all bogus that kills people is my only logical conclusion.

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    September 28, 2014 at 8:34 am

    Atheists you really make normal people sick.I’m Christian and i believe in evolution.Atheism killed more than 100 MILLION PEOPLE.Hey everything we do you must do worse.

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    September 28, 2014 at 7:23 pm

    All Hail the one true Flying Spaghetti Monster ! May you see the grace and love and be touched by his noodley appendage.

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    September 28, 2014 at 9:34 pm

    Atheism is the philosophical position that proposes the idea that there is no god. No one acts in the name of no god. May I also remind you that Christianity existing has caused events such as the Crusades, Inquisitions, The Holocaust, and general hatred in humans due to different beliefs.

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    September 28, 2014 at 9:40 pm

    I have several friends that have been raised by atheist parents and are great people with a better understanding of morality than you currently have.

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    October 1, 2014 at 7:27 am

    Dear AllhailtheURANIUM. You might take a second look at what atheism really is. You might also want to take a closer look at religion, especially christianity, because it is christianity that killed 10’s of millions of people throughout history. Aztecs, Native Americans, Crusades, Witch Hunts, Inquisition, and many many more such examples. Honestly, I wished the Romans had wiped out christianity when it had the chance in it’s infancy. Then, we wouldn’t all be subjected to the christian bull and condescending attitudes that makes you believe you are “holier than thou”.

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    October 2, 2014 at 1:06 am

    This is one of the most insane logical fallacies ever created. I understand what you are saying and what your argument is, but your rebuttal here isn’t even relevant. The entire concept of Christianity revolves around the idea of eternal salvation. If eternity exists as a core concept in the ideological process, then the idea that everything must have a creator is disproven. Surely, if everything has to have a beginning, then everything has to have an end as well, and that kind of shoots the whole “eternal salvation” think full of holes.

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    October 6, 2014 at 8:45 pm

    I know plenty of Christians who couldn’t give a shit whether I was atheist or not.
    Also, who was killed by atheism exactly?

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    Mystery man

    October 7, 2014 at 2:48 am

    Well etheism is a choice. But the worst choice one can ever make. It’s no different to any bad choices people make everyday. There is nothing special about eitheism. It’s just a a different word to the same everyday bad choices mankind makes. Ofcourse you cherish the word now and proudly install yourself majestically and comfortably within its realms however, you have no idea of the power that resides in the other choice you deliberately choose to ignore and argue against. The body and the soul which is the nucleous or the intangible ghost that operates this body machenery are 2 different things. If they are 2 different things, doesn’t it mean that the when the body dies this nucleous or the soul does not die with it? God is interested in this nucleous which the core that decides what you do with the body. He isn’t interested in the body or its mechanism. This core belongs to Him. Let me tell you something furher, the book of genesis says man was created in His own image. that’s a bold statement and metaphorical. If u r shallow, you will imagine the physical body is his image. Noo! Your wrong. It’s the nucleous I’m talking about. God is an intangible being just like this necleous. the bible says this nucleous is an heir to His kingdom. The biology of the body is so complex than the universe. Your soul resides in this majestic world of complexity. The empire of God’s wisdom. Wait a minute, if u r an eitheist, you obviously has a view and you try to find other views that complement yours. well you found that view when you were born coz it was already here. Basically it’s a view influenced by man who simply has the same view. That’s why I’m saying eitheism ain’t nothing special than any other everyday bad choices we make. Another point is that there is no way the created will ever understand its creator. If you are waiting for a scientic break through to provide you with answers, well that will never happen and what a waste of time to choose that other than the other. Lastly, God is real friend. Very real. It’s your choice to decide what to pursue: Gods wisdom or eitheism non wisdom. If the story of God turns u off because He is believed to have commanded people to kill people in the ancient times including children, well if you read the bible you will understand that these tribes were specific and THEY WERE INFACT HYBRID OF HUMANS AND FALLEN ANGELS. Read the texts and do your research deeply. the purpose of these called nephilim in the bible was to compromise or corrupt Gods plan and later, infiltrate the humans as possible to an extent that even the human that the messiah would be born through is also corrupt which will corrupt the messiah too. Too good to be true right? Well you have no idea what you reject. Pray to God to show you the way coz He is the master. I don’t even know what I’m taking so open up and ask Him to show you himself and He will, not me and not science and obviously you wouldn’t know by being an eitheist either. Ask Him to simplify and digest to you the metaphors behind the boldness in the biblical texts.

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    Mystery man

    October 7, 2014 at 3:03 am

    Who kills and rapes children? God doesn’t do that. I will let you spend some time and read the book of Enoch. It’s what we call an apocrypha book. Not in the bible canon. I’m sure you will withdraw your statement. I think it’s dumb to curse or accuse something you clearly do not understand. Very dumb. But anyway, it’s the freedom He gave you and you are simply putting that freedom into use. You can be granted all the freedoms in this life but freedom is not guaranteed after you have used that freedom and they way you have used it.

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    October 7, 2014 at 4:16 am

    Ephesians: 4:19 They are darkened in their understanding, alienated from the life of God because of the ignorance that is in them, due to their hardness of heart.

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    Apples to Apples

    October 10, 2014 at 5:06 pm

    God killed off everyone but 2 by drowning them…

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    October 11, 2014 at 5:22 am

    You must be thinking of Christianity because so far that faith holds the record for most deaths in the name of a deity

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    October 11, 2014 at 6:13 am

    How did athiesm kill more than 100 million people? Did you misspell Catholicism?

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    October 11, 2014 at 6:57 am

    We as atheist have been very tame and non violent. We argue with facts and logic but can never over come the screaming christian morons. I think with social media a new surge has begun in a war against us because politicians and Christians are seeing just how many of us there really are.

    I really think there will be a war on atheism here soon.

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    Mathew Monier

    October 11, 2014 at 7:22 am

    This is offensive to my beliefs. Of course Plush time-travelling Teddy Bears in outer space exist.

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    Michael Gelfand

    October 11, 2014 at 3:22 pm

    Oh, stop it already! Atheism never killed anybody. Misguided ideologies kill people. People who mind their own business and don’t believe as you don’t kill, slaughter or commit genocide!

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    Michael Gelfand

    October 11, 2014 at 4:43 pm

    Seth Andrew’s rebuttal is excellent. I think he indeed earned the $100,000.00.

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    born again realist

    October 11, 2014 at 4:48 pm

    Always the argument from the fairy story. If it gives you comfort, by all means believe it. I became an atheist after a through reading of it. Christians, like other religions, traded compassion for dogma. Always happens sooner or later.

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    Blake Thompson

    October 11, 2014 at 8:13 pm

    The great irony about atheism I find, is the notion that you have basis in science where the religious man does not… you are the anti-particle to faith. It is no more logical to deduce the non existence of intelligent design than it does to declare such a creator exists. The true ‘scientific view’ would be to say huh I don’t know, and I don’t have any method of knowing so the the jury is out. Then again we as a society like to attack Christians/Religious persons as if they were all vestigial organs of society. Furthermore, Christians are unfairly all lumped in with a recent phenomenon called fundamentalism. There are many who look to the bible as a source of wisdom through parable, and are fully capable of incorporating modern scientific theory into that. They can understand the bible is a book written by men transmitted throughout the last few thousand years. Of course it will be adulterated. Many great scientists, like Isaac Newton, James Maxwell Clark, and Micheal Faraday where devout Christians. Personal politics aside, how can you look at the infinite dispersed throughout the finite, amazingly complex from macro to micro… and not wonder if you are staring at the very signature of god. Good day, and god bless 🙂

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    Serah Merrick

    October 11, 2014 at 11:46 pm

    In the Bible, 3 million people are confirmed dead (kill by God (directly/indirectly) with up to 30 million potential deaths by his followers (I’m looking at you Saul and David.)

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    October 12, 2014 at 12:40 am

    Religious fanatics kill people, not Athiests. There is no such thing as “Normal” people. And if YOU believe in evolution,you are not a Christian – You don’t get to pick and choose – either you have to believe ALL the drivel and nonsense, or you don’t belong to the group. So . . . given the above,and based on your statement, you are just an IDIOT.

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    I C

    October 12, 2014 at 4:26 am

    That’s extremely sad, Theresa and I think it does really show the truth of what a lot of people are. My heart goes out to you. You have seen it as a Christian and I have seen it as an atheist. It’s human nature, unfortunately. It doesn’t change the fact that if there is a God who is what people say he is than you should be able to find some comfort in that but the fact some of the people saying this stuff are pretty poor human beings doesn’t do anything to make me doubt my own atheism. And having someone tell you your own understanding is impaired,as if they have some kind of divine hotline, makes me wonder if they are slightly schizophrenic.Or perhaps just a bit of a patronising shithead. I would suggest to you that while not believing in God must surely take away what I imagine must be a source of deep comfort in an often unpleasant and scary world, an understanding of things on a material level – which of course radical religion rejects – does give another form of understanding which impacts on things which used to be viewed as the province of religion. Recent tests on peopl showed those who feel secure in ANY understanding of the world around them, no matter the provenance, are equally psychologically secure – this rebuts an often repeated accusation that those without God are lost and lonely. It appears those without any understanding of the world are lost and lonely, which is not the same thing. Reading into Christian history (both the Rvd. Henry Chadwick and Diarmiud MacCulloch both wrote acclaimed histories of the Church and its religion in recent years) and evolutionary theory I both found not just extremely useful but utterly fascinating. If you haven’t done this I heartily recommend it.
    All the best.

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    A. Nuran

    October 12, 2014 at 7:20 am

    You blood-drinking cannibal christians keep throwing around that “100 million killed by atheism”. It is, of course a gods-damned lie. Even in China under Mao or the USSR under Stalin there weren’t millions killed “for atheism”.

    Of course, if you want to to count them you need to count all the deaths laid at the door of dead Jew onna stick we can start with the Iraq and Afghan wars – remember how the gospel grinders talked about how we were a christian nation? We were doing it with god’s help? Then move back to WWII. The Nazis strongly supported christianity. They even had “God with Us” on their belt buckles. Then through the Tai-Ping Rebellion, the slave trade, the genocides against American Natives, Australian Aborigines, all the European wars so on and so forth.

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    A. Nuran

    October 12, 2014 at 7:22 am

    Jay, I pray that Allah grants you the wisdom to accept the True Faith and become a Muslim.

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    jadon carrier

    October 12, 2014 at 1:48 pm

    Your response to this persons comment is the only display of ignorance I can see. Not only do you offer her nothing beneficial to help her with her struggle, you insult her by calling her ignorant. Well friend I am not ignorant to the holy bible and I would love to educate you on a few things about it. I must forwarn you that you will not like what you’re told and will likely dismiss the information you’re given. What infill tell you is not opinion but historical fact. Well I guess that isn’t completely true. What I will tell you is what every leading expert has agreed to be considered facts. No faith is needed. It’s called documented historical literature. You see there is no historian who was alive while Jesus was said to be spreading his doctrine that has ever written a single word about hearing, seeing, or speaking with Jesus. Every other historical figure has 3rd party accounts of their existance. Meaning someone with no agenda spoke of them or something they did that they were witness’ of. The first gospel was written 40 years after Jesus was said to walk the earth. 40 years later the first apostle wrote about this person who changed their life and beliefs in their entirety? Seeing as how the average life span was somewhere in the ball park of 35 years I wonder how it was written. There is lots of evidence to suggest the bible is far from accurate on multiple levels. There is only a fraction of evidence to the contrary. The idea and the traits given to God by themselves either prove that God is a sadistic coward , or that he doesn’t really care about us at all. Like the claim that he is perfect. How can someone who is perfect in every way create something that isn’t perfect? If God has his perfect will in place then what is the purpose of praying at all? To ask that God change his perfect plan? Prayer is the best way to do absolutely nothing and still feel like your helping. If you’d like to hear more ways the bible is debunked and christians don’t know what they’re talking about Id love to lay it out for you. If you would like some reading materials that explains where I draw my conclusions from check out author Richard Carrier or read the book Christianity before Christ, the 16 messiahs who came before Jesus. There’s a coulle places for you to start comparing literature. If you’d like to learn scientific data that disproves the bible through biology and chemistry than go on YouTube and search for thunderfoot. Or aaron Ra. But in any rate don’t belittle this individuals comment with your Wanna be intellect. It doesn’t benefit them and only makes you look foolish.

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    October 12, 2014 at 1:50 pm

    Your stupidity is the only thing that’s evident here. 100 million people? When and where?

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    A Stinson

    October 12, 2014 at 3:36 pm

    I am a Christian; but ignarant rants like this cause me to re-examine my faith; if the Faith I have followed is as this idiot says, perhaps I am NOT a Christian. Someone shut him up, so we can hear the intelligent people.

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    October 12, 2014 at 5:08 pm

    I think you have it a little backwards there and how’d you come up with that number anyway? Your own estimation? Religion has killed more people in history than anything, hitler is good proof to that. And that’s just one person. The majority of wars in history have been started because religion, because one religion disagreed with another and they decided to fight for their religion. Hell certain terrorists blow people up because they think they’re doing it for their religion.. That’s funny too you’re Christian and you believe in evolution? You totally just contradicted yourself. And Christians are “normal people”? What’s everyone else oh so intelligent one?

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    October 12, 2014 at 6:21 pm

    I had to cut gluten out of my diet a few years ago, so I can no longer count on the Flying Spaghetti Monster to bring me peace of mind. However I do believe in cat kisses. So I’ve got that going for me, which is nice.

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    Blake Thompson

    October 13, 2014 at 12:14 am

    You misspelled ignorant.

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    October 13, 2014 at 7:01 pm

    You really need to sit down and read the bible dear. Your imaginary god, like all the others, condones slavery, misogyny, rape, human sacrifice and racial bigotry. Your god killed 2,476,663 in your book of bronze-age fairy stories, and Satan – the imaginary adversary – killed ten.

    Can you show us documented and peer-reviewed proof of your outlandish statement that “atheists killed more than 100 MILLION PEOPLE” preferably with eloquence, diction and articulation rather than wild generalisations and capital letters?

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    October 13, 2014 at 10:45 pm

    Atheism has not killed even a tiny fraction of that amount to claim any different is ignorant. Christianity has killed many millions more than atheism ever has. I know you are going to claim that communists and the nazis are atheists which is not true, many high ranking nazis devout catholics and the majority of experts agree nazism is more of a cult with it’s own spiritual beliefs rather than a just a political system nazism also never denied the existence of any God they simply hated others. Communism likewise discourages religion but has never completely banished the practice of religion. Christianity on the otherhand makes no effort to hide the fact they have slathered entire civilizations based on the word of God or some other bullshit like that, same can be said about Islam, muslims, judaism and pretty much all major religions.

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    October 14, 2014 at 3:07 am

    Well said A Stinson. As an atheist, this is water off a duck’s back. It’s hard to feel insulted or challenged by such an idiotic and, yes, ignorant argument. But the people Feuerstein’s video really insults are Christians, those he insinuates are with him in this oh-so-obvious-to-me argument. So of course Christians should call him out on this. It’s their intelligence that is being insulted. We’d expect atheists, like me, to just laugh this off, but it’s good to see people like A Stinson standing up for their faith and standing up for reason at the same time.

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    Gordon Brogan

    October 14, 2014 at 3:25 pm

    you’re an idiot. atheism has not killed 100 million people. pick up a history book sometime, you ignorant, pus filled bucket of anal warts.

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    Jimmy McGee

    October 14, 2014 at 5:05 pm

    Great vid…but as an Atheist I’m a little disappointed by your kinda dumb mistake at 5.39….If God exists (he doesn’t)…then he would be the 1st and last word in morality…you then couldn’t say that refusing to do something he told you to do was more moral than his choices!
    So, we can say God doesn’t exist/we don’t believe…but to say “we are more moral than this evil God” is just bad reasoning and not logical…..come on, can we stop making stupid mistakes please????

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    The Wild Norseman

    October 15, 2014 at 1:13 am

    It’s actually quite simple to disprove God. The God-botherer first must provide a rational, meaningful, and coherent definition of his/her god of choice so that we’re clear of what exactly we are talking about; after that’s done, then any application of thoughtful logic will do the trick nicely.

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    October 15, 2014 at 1:32 am

    Not sure what you’re referring to, but to be clear, Hitler was a Christian doing gods work. Oh yeah, there was that whole crusades mess and the inquisition. And just a few generations ago the Christians who mixed their religion and government murdered a dozen citizens by drowning, hanging and crushing because they were witches.

    You’re embarrassing yourself.

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    October 15, 2014 at 4:07 am

    Teresa – I also lost my mom to cancer. She passed away in 1994, 8 days before my 23rd birthday. I was an only child, raised mostly by my mom. Had some step dads, but I was third wheel to them.

    Point is this – she wasn’t really Christian or atheist, but more of an agnostic, and hopeful that something good awaited her when she she’d her mortal coil… who can blame anyone for that?

    So it’s been twenty years. I still miss her. I don’t think she’s in heaven, and I don’t think she is in hell. More like a drop of rain back in the ocean. Energy cycling through the universe. To me, she is everywhere. Just the energy that made up her source code dumped into the quantum computer of spacetime. And I still love her dearly.

    If only I could see her in everything, I would have more love for this world and the people in it.

    So thanks, mom, for being here in this thread. Teresa, your mom is in my heart now, thanks to your few words… so evidence would say she is spreading through the universe like a wave on a pond.

    Peace be with you.

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    October 15, 2014 at 3:57 pm

    it is easy to prove everything you know about your monotheistic god is all hearsay, why don’t you proof all of these monotheistic prophets are speaking the truth.
    There could be a creator/most likely creators to make a bit of sense but there is zero change any of you monotheists is right, everything has been disproven numerous of times, yet the delusion will always be real for you.
    Also the most pathetic people in here are the ones that talk down by ”i will pray to my imaginary friend for you”.

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    October 16, 2014 at 11:19 am

    The most honest and bravest answer to the question does god exist is: “I don’t know”. No one KNOWS. No one living will ever know. Even atheism is a system of beliefs. They BELIEVE god does not exist. If we all put our faith and belief into ourselves instead of something else and focused on what we KNOW about our existence we might actually live in a better world.

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    October 17, 2014 at 1:19 am

    You know how my religion teacher would respond if I showed him this?

    “Have faith.”


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    The Wild Norseman

    October 18, 2014 at 2:34 am

    Your latter statement is one I fully agree with. But just out of curiosity, what is the system of beliefs of atheism?

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    Gordon Hilgers

    October 20, 2014 at 5:20 pm

    This pastor thinks he’s outsmarting people by misrepresenting a number of laws of physics, but his misrepresentations are so shallow and full of it that those of us who know even a little about, say, the laws of thermodynamics can see right through his pretense. Not only does he start by trying to prove an already chosen conclusion, the bane of the scientific method, he twists meanings to fit his defense of a freaking book. One either believes or disbelieves and challenge atheists to prove their disbelief is idiotic. Everyone knows Giant Space Turtles laid their eggs and that those eggs are what we call the solar system. Disprove that.

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    Ari Zed (@RezOKC)

    October 21, 2014 at 4:06 am

    A rejection of all gods as the human creations that they clearly are. Nothing more than that.

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    October 22, 2014 at 12:59 am

    Typical Christian Literalist Interpretation Error ( you may abbreviate that as. L.I.E. ) We have 6000 years ( more actually ) of proof that there is no God. This schlum pastor will never pay up because he would have to admit mankind has been looking forever and no joy. I get it, I really do. The fact simply is, and will be until time and education triumph, you either need God to get out of bed in the morning or you don’t. I can only imagine he disarray and despair theists feel inside when they even TRY to contemplate the reality of no God. They have invested so much of who they are into this idea. It’s sad really because they really do believe the are somehow superior humans who get a reward after they die. I’m even OK with having to deal with this silliness now and again but the fact that this is 2014, a world covered in science’s accomplishments, and we still have to argue that the default position should be “No God exists ” just boggles the mind. Don’t even get me started on Satan’s deceptions, demons are real or fossils are God’s way of testing our faith. We don’t have all the answers, we might never have them. I think we can safely say that God is M.I.A. though kids. Sorry to bust your bubble. Keep the faith though, you guys have made it ABUNDANTLY clear where YOUR morals come from. I ain’t looking to rock THAT boat.

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    October 22, 2014 at 11:51 am

    Blessed be His balls forever.

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    October 22, 2014 at 11:52 am

    Sauce be upon Him. I went to a FSM service once but it was patterned after a Christian Church. They were all about passing the bread basket. Lol.

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    Moiz Omar

    October 23, 2014 at 9:18 am

    To theists: If everything has to have a creator, then how did “God” come into existence? And if “God” has always existed, could we just not say the same thing about the universe?

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    October 24, 2014 at 12:54 am

    I would offer $1,000,000,000 to anyone who can disprove that I don’t have a pink skittle eating invisible unicorn that lives in my basement, and go.

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    October 24, 2014 at 1:07 am

    what a cop out. That way of thinking makes me sick. Live a life devoid of reason and logic. Talk talk talk. Do something rather than wish some magic happens.

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    October 24, 2014 at 1:33 am

    Yes, there’ve been so many brutal wars fought over who doesn’t believe in any god more…
    Oh wait… Never happened.

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    October 24, 2014 at 2:43 am

    God is gay. Prove he isnt.

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    David A. Gilbert

    October 24, 2014 at 3:39 am

    Technically, no. You could prove that she doesn’t take your lost teeth and give you a shiny nickle. But, she could just be slacking off and hiding somewhere.

    It’s pretty much completely impossible to prove the absolute non-existence of a thing.

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    Michelle Brittan

    October 24, 2014 at 3:40 am

    Let’s get back to the plush outer space teddy bears — much more interesting than how many people killed by this or that.

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    October 24, 2014 at 4:39 am

    Atheism is the easiest religeon to troll.

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    Tom Raspotnik

    October 24, 2014 at 5:35 am

    Point missed there is no argument faith cannot be scientifically measured so science has no base in the argument and the debate has no a credited scientists involved so it’s one loser verses the other.Atheists are gonna love the announcement provided soon biggest news of 2014 a new enemy lies in waiting…not Christian not Jew, not Muslim…not Hindu..a religion you can conceive is going to announce a form of Jihad against Atheism..stay tuned..

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    J. Marshall

    October 24, 2014 at 5:45 am

    How did Atheism kill 100 million, normal person?

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    October 24, 2014 at 2:36 pm

    You can say aethism killed 100 million people. Aethism is not a disease. You just think that since you’re a Christian that you are better than aethists. Are you a real Christian or are you just Goin with the populous of america. You believe in evolution, so do i. Congratulations.

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    October 25, 2014 at 12:08 pm

    LOL that is too funny omg… rolfmao.

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    October 25, 2014 at 12:15 pm

    ugh, no gilgaustufs, it’s because parents are the tooth fairy. That’s what John means, and it kind of is funny.

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    October 25, 2014 at 2:08 pm

    You mean ‘bully’ her?

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    October 25, 2014 at 4:14 pm

    If atheism has caused any deaths, guess who it was dying? the atheists. and guess who they were dying at the hands of? people who were imposing their religion upon others, but unlike today, non-believers would have been killed if they were not converted. this is why i lost my faith. this is why i abandoned christianity and decided to be without religion. because i see christians from all sects impose their religion upon others saying, oh hey, you’re Norse? Well you shouldn’t be because that’s Satan’s way of getting you. i saw a post on Twitter. a man of the Muslim faith made a tweet to praise Muhammed. The reply a CHRISTIAN man made to this tweet made me sick. “Muhammed was an incestuous pedophile. GOD is the only true way.” Hey, I know, Maybe once we put CHRISTIANITY through inquisitions, more SENSELESS wars over religion and put Christians through what the religion has caused others not of the religion to go through in the past, YOU’LL PULL YOUR HEADS OUT OF YOUR ASSES

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    Brian Hearst

    November 4, 2014 at 6:08 am

    I’ll Commune with the sidewalk for her; let’s see if we get the same results.

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    November 4, 2014 at 11:14 pm

    Actually… Religion keeps killing people, if you want to put it that way. And the mere fact that you say “…You make normal people sick” is a clear indication that religion fuels hate.
    I have never seen two atheists fight over which God they don’t believe in.

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    November 5, 2014 at 5:10 am

    Atheism killed more than a 100 million people? You have an academic citation for that, and a citation showing they did it for Atheism? No? …. Look, I am sure there are atheist murderers out there somewhere, and fewer still that do so for the purpose of Atheism, but you really need to work on your fallacy argument and intellectual integrity.

    Now here is the difference, we didn’t come up with doctrines that tell us we should do this sort of shit, and nor do we join such cults or religions that associate and hold such doctrines sacred. Nope, we don’t.. That might explain why we aren’t the prison population majority when it comes to murder and attempted murder.. Just the other day a Christian Killed an Atheist nearly beheading him for accusing him of witchcraft.

    However, we both know that generalizing Christians and Atheists alike is dishonest because many Christians and Atheists are not sociopaths.. And there is your bridge to co-existence.

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    November 5, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Cosmology, Relativity, Chemistry, Biology, and every science is highly spiritual and can be more so than any religion.
    Wikipedia is my bible.
    We need more non-religious spiritual rituals in the world.
    My science based spiritual experiences have had an humbling yet empowering impact on myself.

    PS. Try psylocybin mushrooms.
    They will make you feel the connection to nature extremely. what society has been neglecting in recent ages.

    PPS fuck society, we should live in a community, where you are accepted and loved, not just a brick in the wall.
    nowadays we only find these communities within families and sub-cultures.
    I guess that is why most people who look to religion do so.
    Look elsewhere and most of all look within yourself.

    Spread the love and increase the peace!

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    November 7, 2014 at 3:35 am

    You cannot believe evolution but claim to be a christian.

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    November 11, 2014 at 1:56 pm

    Successful troll, well played

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    John Baker

    November 11, 2014 at 3:47 pm

    Name one person who was killed by atheism.

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    November 12, 2014 at 2:48 am

    Not sure if you have access to any news media; books, internet, etc., but I’m fairly certain, and am quite confident that The Crusades, both World Wars, the current jihad against the West, the situation in Gaza, are all a direct result of religious idelogy and intolerance. Christians are the same as Muslims, who are the same as Hindus, and so on. You are likely a Christian solely on the fact that your parents were Christian, or you were born in an area that is predominately Christian, as all other religious groups’ members tend to be. I don’t believe in Santa Claus or the Easter Bunny, or even the tooth fairy for that matter. Do you believe in them, as well?

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    Piero Giorgi

    November 12, 2014 at 3:00 am

    Oh, no….

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    November 14, 2014 at 2:38 am

    What makes me sad is that children that have not had the opportunity to grow up and think critically are introduced to the imaginary friend that THEIR PARENTS believe in at the earliest age. This is among the first lessons that are taught by a Christian family. As this child grows up he/she loses Santa Clause and the tooth fairy, but this other guy keeps even their parents fooled unto his existence. Naturally, a child tends to embrace all knowledge passed on to him/her by their only reference for knowledge at that age. That is why this mental illness is so hereditary in nature.

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    November 15, 2014 at 6:34 am

    You write: “I wish I could talk to you personally to help you develop a better understanding about Our Creator and the purpose of Life.” Now, isn’t this how religious folk lure people in to their hovels and take advantage of their unmentionables? I mean, there is story after story after story of such of such horrible tragedies all throughout history; why are you trying add to those statistics? Is this how you get your jollies? Would you dress up like a priest or something, or wear some fancy robe, or maybe splash some holy lubricants?

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    John Guerra

    November 16, 2014 at 1:57 am

    Hey dipshit…..The holocaust DID occur, atheists don’t doubt it but just learn that it was perpetrated by a christian – Hitler…

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    November 16, 2014 at 8:24 am

    Atheism is not a religion, idiot.

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    November 16, 2014 at 11:13 am

    “Everything we do you do worse.” Worst genocide in human history? Holocaust, caused on the basis of religion.
    The whole idea of terrorism stems from religion.
    Oh an you are christian are you? Ever read the bible from cover to cover? there are 3 instances in the bible in which women are clearly said to be inferior to men. If you know that and still insist on being a christian then may your imaginary god help you because i got nothing left to say to you.. and if you didn’t know that then you are like most of the theists who conveniently chose to ignore the ugly bits about their religion.

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    November 20, 2014 at 12:17 pm

    Hitrer was a Christian and had millions of Jews killed. He thought he was justified in it due to his religious beliefs.

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    November 22, 2014 at 2:36 am

    I act in the name of no god every day.

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    November 23, 2014 at 12:39 am

    Yeah. I guess there are possibly dragons. Unicorns. Leprechauns. Tribbles. Time travelling kangaroos! I DON’T KNOW. I BELIEVE they don’t exist? What a silly reality tunnel to inhabit.

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    Bobbie Jo Justice

    November 23, 2014 at 7:37 pm

    The mass murdering child killing sky fairy has murdered more than any other people ever. How many has god killed ?

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    November 25, 2014 at 4:04 pm

    Yeah! What you said!

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    Bobbie Jo Justice

    November 25, 2014 at 5:48 pm

    was the Christian sky daddy taking a dump on 9/11/01 or was that his day off ?

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    November 26, 2014 at 7:05 am

    Define god? Which god are you referring to jehovah? Odin? Zues? Ra? Jupiter? The Anunnaki? The thousands of gods portrayed in hindu? Please, tell me. which one?

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    November 28, 2014 at 8:56 am

    Umm…. have you not walked outside and looked up at the stars! If something like the universe is in fact true as we see it then I see no problem believing in the existence of a God. If God exists then that means that it is possible for a man to live inside of a whale, or that a snake can actually talk, or that the entire world COULD IN FACT BE FLOODED. You really think that the entire world couldn’t be flooded when in fact black holes could exist?

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    November 28, 2014 at 9:09 am

    What about the fact that I cry when I know that I have done something wrong and I finally come to terms with that particular wrong doing? What about the fact that humans possess spirits or a soul?

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    November 28, 2014 at 9:20 am

    My hardness of heart is now due to the possibility that people could be eternally tortured. Any being that wants to torture an 8 year old in hell for watching Dragonball Z is my enemy. If I was God and my creation chose not to worship me, I would not send them to hell. Nor, would I send them to hell for not accepting my son. One very bizarre thing to me is the fact that I feel I have been humbled by God in the past. While I have been humbled and felt very sorry for what I have done, now I realize that hell is the most sinister thing ever created. Also, the fact that kids go hungry every day and are tortured tells me that God owes every human an explanation. If God wants to send me to hell for trying to be the best person I can be or to hate him for letting evil exist (creating evil)… then let him have his evil glory. At least I know I would never create life forms that suffer with no explanation. I would never do that. If anyone thinks that my views are wrong I invite you to try to help me. I don’t think ones belief should be grounds for damnation, so I am open to all opinions.

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    November 28, 2014 at 9:38 am

    Yeah I don’t understand how people can believe in the universe but at the same time not believe in a God. If it wasn’t for the concept of hell and human torture I would totally believe in the Bible. I think the concept of religion is absurd. It is also obnoxious to me. Why does it have to be a religion of the Bible and not a just a simple view of the Bible? Basically a religion is a view that is made popular in totality. I mean I could come up with my own view and start my own religion called “Funky Donut Worship” if I wanted to but I don’t necessarily need to make my views popular on a worldwide scale. What’s the point? Seems like a good way to control people though or if not by control then some weird way to get people to root for your team. Words, names, titles, disorders, views, religion, objective, subjective, donuts, pizza… I think I can make myself and others happier by not trying to control other people. Plus, not only that but one of the best ways to get someone to like you is by showing respect to their beliefs and opinions, not shoving something in their faces.

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    November 28, 2014 at 9:49 am

    I’m not atheist nor a christian. I don’t know what to believe. I believe God does exist though, I just don’t know what his/her/their/its name is. I think it is absurd to say that a God doesn’t exist, I mean seriously do you people not go outside and look at the sky? You know that stars, galaxies, and gas planets exist right? You think that matter made the decision to just show up one day and start forming shit? Or that some phenomena had a mind of its own and decided to create the universe and all of the organisms that exist today. What about the existence of the human soul and/or spirit? You think something that is this complex is solely and objectively of naturalistic influence? You can’t assume that nature can create itself from nothing.

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    November 28, 2014 at 10:01 am

    To your first question: No one knows how God came into existence but it is only practical for me to assume that there has to be a creator for our universe. This shit didn’t just show up on its own. Nature doesn’t create itself.
    To your 2nd question: No. If God has always existed I think it is completely ignorant to objectively state that the universe has always existed as well. We simply cannot fathom this. No one can answer this objectively.

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    November 28, 2014 at 10:14 am

    Chemistry? How can chemistry be more spiritual? That doesn’t even make sense. You honestly believe that creation created itself? I find your views interesting but at the same time ridiculous. How do you explain the concept of a human soul or spirit? You speak of spirituality as if it were matter based. That just doesn’t make any sense to me. The people that say that God is everywhere make more sense to me. I believe creation is everywhere… I mean how could it not? But… it is practical to me that there has to be some form of higher power behind all creation especially when you bring the notion and existence of the human spirit or soul into the picture.

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    November 28, 2014 at 10:24 am

    I used to have that same view and I respect it as long as your human soul is in good health. I really hope that it is. I’d rather not believe in God simply for the prize at the end of the road. I’d rather be true to myself and hate a God that sends people to eternal torture than to hypocritically love him. As it says in the Bible, God knows our hearts. Sure, I could keep claiming to love God, but when God knows that I don’t agree with his creation of hell then he also knows that I don’t truly love him or agree with him. Well, I want God to understand me loud and clear that if he wants to torture people then he is my enemy. I would never torture anyone. May your soul be in forever peace by the good grace of wherever it comes from.

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    November 28, 2014 at 10:33 am

    What about the ones that choose to go directly against God even when they are shown the truth? What then? Is God going to make them suffer because of it? What kind of suffering? My point is any being that makes anyone suffer is my enemy. Although, I guess I’m a hypocrite because if someone harmed my family I would want to make that person suffer. At the same time though I would not create life forms knowing full well that even a couple of them would rebel against me and end up in never ending torture. I’d just throw away the plan all together. I may sound like a hypocrite but I agree with both you and the atheists arguments. You and atheists do present very good points. The most common view of an atheist is how can a loving God that is all knowing torture a life form when he is perfectly capable of preventing it?

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    November 28, 2014 at 10:46 am

    Dalton, I’d have to disagree with you. I think that is a very stereotypical view. Atheists don’t just “join a fad” because they want to be different. That is not the way all atheists are. I would be that a vast majority of atheists used to be followers of the Bible but they ultimately redesign their views mostly because of the concept of hell. In which I’m inclined to agree with them. I don’t agree with hell at all. If I cannot accept hell then I don’t think I can be a true follower of Jesus Christ or follow the God of the Bible. I think hell is bullshit to be honest, but I don’t necessarily consider myself an atheist or a christian. I honestly don’t know what affiliation I am. I honestly don’t think it matters what affiliation I am. God will judge me for what I am. If I find out that God tortured other people then I will hold that against him. If he sends me to hell for this, well, then I think he’d have to be the most evil being ever to exist in my opinion.

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    November 28, 2014 at 10:48 am


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    Gary M

    December 2, 2014 at 11:34 pm

    God’s Gonna Getcha for that, that, and that…but not for Genocide or Ethnic Cleansing

    But a man named Ananias, with the consent of his wife Sapphira, sold a piece of property; 2 with his wife’s knowledge, he kept back some of the proceeds, and brought only a part and laid it at the apostles’ feet. 3 “Ananias,” Peter asked, “why has Satan filled your heart to lie to the Holy Spirit and to keep back part of the proceeds of the land? 4 While it remained unsold, did it not remain your own? And after it was sold, were not the proceeds at your disposal? How is it that you have contrived this deed in your heart? You did not lie to us[a] but to God!” 5 Now when Ananias heard these words, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard of it. 6 The young men came and wrapped up his body,[b] then carried him out and buried him.

    7 After an interval of about three hours his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter said to her, “Tell me whether you and your husband sold the land for such and such a price.” And she said, “Yes, that was the price.” 9 Then Peter said to her, “How is it that you have agreed together to put the Spirit of the Lord to the test? Look, the feet of those who have buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out.” 10 Immediately she fell down at his feet and died. When the young men came in they found her dead, so they carried her out and buried her beside her husband. 11 And great fear seized the whole church and all who heard of these things. Acts 5:1-11

    Millions of human beings have been slaughtered by the disciples of Jesus of Nazareth over the last 2,000 years: pagans, Jews, Muslims, Hindus, Indigenous Peoples, and other Christians. During the Crusades the streets of the city of Jerusalem flowed ankle deep with the blood of Muslim and Jewish men, women, and children. Tens of thousands of Jews were periodically and routinely slaughtered in European cities, triggered by the anti-Semitic diatribes of priests and pastors. One third of the population of Germany was wiped out during the Thirty Years War, all in the name of Jesus Christ, from both sides. Millions of Indigenous peoples were brutally forced to convert to the “True Faith” or die horrific deaths by “men of God”, the inheritors of the powers of the Office of the Keys, given to them by Jesus himself moments before his Ascension into Heaven

    Now, I have a question for you, my Christian friend: Just where was the Holy Spirit during this 2,000 year Blood Bath? Why don’t we read accounts of entire Christian armies being struck dead on their horses by the Christian God due to their intent to slaughter thousands of non-combatant men, women and children? Why don’t we read of officials of the Inquisition being struck down by the Christian God as they attempt to light the kindling at the bottom of a stake to which is bound a terrified Jewish man or woman?

    Dear orthodox/conservative Christians, are you really going to have the gall, the audacity, to once again recite to me the idiotic statement, “God’s ways are not our ways”…when your all-mighty, all-powerful, all-knowing God has allowed millions if not billions of human beings to suffer excruciating deaths for nothing more than thought crimes…but…will not hesitate for a second to strike down deader than a door nail, any Christian who holds back on this year’s Tithing Pledge???

    If there is any proof that your Religion is an invention of men, and not of a god, this is it!

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    Angela Unicorn!

    December 5, 2014 at 6:20 am

    I am here to tell you atheists, you aren’t wrong! As a Christian I want you to know. We don’t believe that our God is “the only morally right God alive.” Heck no! How self-concieted is that? I see religion and science like they go hand in hand. Big bang theory? Makes sense, except you don’t have the cause of the Big Bang. That’s simple though for those of us who are Christians. God caused it. Not because he “just could,” not because “the bible says so.” But because God created something beautiful. He made both me and you, and for that I am truly graceful. Now about the question “Can you dis-prove God?” I feel like this question is also on the atheist fault too. Not just ours, but also not just ours. I have a lot of scientist friends, and we debate religion a lot. And the most asked question I get is “prove there is a God.” You say you start at the known basis. Well here’s the truth that I see.

    You have your theories. You have facts, but do you have any proof God doesn’t exist?

    We have God’s love, a feeling we get. We see miracles happen, changes in people that psychologists say could never change. We see the beauty God made (yes including science.) YOU ATHEISTS ARE AMAZING! You pick up on so much of God’s beauty it’s amazing. But I say that I am starting from the known basis. For me there is more evidence that a god exists then the other way.

    Btw, to all the comments of the idiot Christians out there criticizing the atheists. One, stop making stupid judging comments, you make us look bad. Two, these people study science, it’s not their fault they question the world. That’s a GOOD thing. They’re just missing the faith to believe in GOD. In fact many atheists acknowledge God as a possible theory but just don’t believe in him for the lack of evidence.

    My evidence is that these religions pop up all over the world (Islam, Muslim, Zoroastrianism, and Christianity) to worship a one and only God. Someone we can feel, and yes sometimes even hear! Pastors like these make Christianity look stupid. Christians could be killers, atheists could be killers, whatever.

    If atheists were to go and talk to someone TRULY holy that only tried to speak God’s words without judging others, maybe they would see the light of God. So before you go and start criticizing them! Think about where they stand. Treat one another as you want to be treated. You are an example of Christ. ACT LIKE IT.

    All I had to say, rant done.

    (P.S: Did you know the inventor of the Big Bang Theory was a Catholic Priest?)

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    Stephanie Hindman

    December 11, 2014 at 8:06 am

    You can not prove if god exists or does not exist.

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    Isabella Mcpherson (@IsabellaMcpher1)

    December 17, 2014 at 3:34 pm

    if there was there was just one religion, we wouldn’t have culture, we wouldn’t be living like this, if it weren’t for scientists we wouldn’t be living like this, i’m an atheist but i respect anyone who believes differently to me, but if someone puts someone down for not believing the same thing as them then its wrong, we are all the same, we all have a heart, and a mind. there’s no need to put someone down for who they are especially because if you put two dead people who are not in the same religion you don’t see the difference, all you see is two people dead.

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    December 18, 2014 at 6:14 pm

    I guess All the Monkeys running around on GOD’S green Earth Didn’t get the memo that they were supposed 2 turn into Humans by Now? IF You had Common Sense,you’d Believe in the Almighty.

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    Five Iron

    December 22, 2014 at 1:40 am

    Let’s presume the world was flooded. Once it is flooded, where did the excess water go? There is not currently enough water on earth to flood all land space up to the approx 30,000 foot level that would be the top of Mount Everest. So……?

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    December 23, 2014 at 2:05 pm

    Your good wishes and comments are appreciated, but if God was really that obvious and profound you wouldn’t have to be concerned about whether we atheists “find” him.

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    Ryan Darling

    December 26, 2014 at 12:31 am

    Jay, why do YOU somehow have definitive answers for this guy… are you a lifelong scholor, devoting your life to critical thinking and scientific methodology to the point that you determine your decision based on facts? Or do you have a mediocre job, not much to stake your claim, but because you go to church and really like the idea of a narcissistic overlord who needs to worship him in order to not burn for “eternity”?….

    We like to play elf on the shelf with the little ones, letting them know that they better behave so not to have the elf tell santa…. she’s 3…. my opinion of your mental capacities are not that far off… please ditch the false hope and just live as a good person.. you be amazed how much better you feel by not pandering to a self serving god.

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    Ryan Darling

    December 26, 2014 at 12:46 am

    Compassionate so long as it’s not practiced on gays, non believers, etc….. the fact that we utter Christianity and science in a mutual argument is offensive on so am any levels…. why does the highschool dropout pastor from backwoods Missouri get to share a podium with a scientist who devoted his/her life to finding truth through facts and academics… philistines..

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    Vince O'Driscoll

    December 26, 2014 at 5:12 pm

    Atheists ARE normal. Atheism hasn’t killed anyone. Religion has killed gazillions. The Crusades, The inquisition, jihadists, etc. Wise up.

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    Nick Lahanas

    December 27, 2014 at 6:24 pm

    ‘Atheism has killed more than 100 million people.’ – [citation needed]

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    December 28, 2014 at 4:06 am

    On evolution: Christians, please stop saying.”Then why are there still monkeys?” It’s not helping.

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    December 28, 2014 at 7:44 pm

    I can’t prove god exists or not. Sadly I can make people question it. If there is a God, and he is the master and creator of all, why does the devil exist? Why does he allow evil in this world? Why was Lucifer able to tempt Eve? How I read it, God created everything. This means he created Lucifer. Now why would a holy creature create an unholy one? As well as give it the power to tempt its other creations. So if God did create this evil, why is it the strongest power on this planet? Disease, War, Hatred, Poverty, as well as all the sins being done each day shows that the devil is the strongest power present. Even Catholics and Christians are in this evil, because they can’t follow their own teachings. For example the bible says only God has the right to judge, and only he can decide who or what is allowed in heaven. Sadly, everyday people are judged. They are told what they can and can’t do. People are looked down upon for their skin color, beliefs, sexual preferences, looking different in anyway. When in most religions they tell to except all, but instead we bully, abuse even kill because of these differences. So what great and powerful lord would allow that? None if they were truly good. So is there a God? I doubt it for the simple reason of good versus evil. Good should always bet evil or be as strong as it. Not a complete one sided fight where evil is beating good. So if there is a God why doesn’t he use his power to fix the problems he created?

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    December 29, 2014 at 8:09 pm

    I agree it is absurd to insist one disproves something that doesn’t exist. That’s not scientific. However, we can take the Abrahamic literature as a claim that Abe’s god does exist, use that literature as a description of a possible entity in this universe, and prove that entity is either nonfiction (i.e., historically relevant and accurate) or fiction.

    And I have. XX before XY. The Abrahamic Creation Myth insists Eve was invented by this god character after Adam was. An examination of genetic evolution proves the Y chromosome has undergone dramatic changes over millions of years while the X chromosome has not. Therefore, the female gender existed in carbon based life before the male gender. The Y is a truncated and diluted X. Devolving over time. Some scientists even wonder if someday there will be men at all, given the trend of its devolution.

    This is visually demonstrated in a video available at youtube titled Evolution of the Y Chromosome, and other videos are available which elucidate on this further. I’m not doing this to get ppl to click on links tho. Just trying to make a point.

    “Eve” preceded “Adam.” Obviously long before anything we would classify as humanoid roamed the Earth. Therefore there was never a point when a god fashioned the modern human male out of mud and then took a piece from that male and made a female out of it. Females came first. The bible is wrong. And the bible can be wrong about a thousand things and ppl will still believe in it, but this one lynchpin is crucial.

    Without Eve, you have no Original Sin, and without that, you have no reason to say man dominates women in all things, as Abrahamics, particularly Islam, dictates. You also have no Covenant between Abe’s god and Man. Say goodbye Judaism. Also no reason for a benevolent omnipotent omniscient god to ask Abe to kill his own son, or then send Jesus to heaven thru the vessel of Mary to be sacrificed like a lamb to appease.. what was that again? Oh yes. Original Sin. The Covenant. Which never existed. And now even Christianity is dust.

    I may not be able to disprove the generic bland god concept in principle, but the Abrahamic god, as described in Abrahamic literary dogma, does not exist in his universe. XX before XY. It’s elementary. Now, where’s my hundred thousand bucks? *smirk*

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    David silverman (@RationalRanter)

    December 30, 2014 at 7:48 am

    Science IS proof that God doesn’t exist. It is predicated on the idea that things are not arbitrary.

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    Patience Johnson

    December 30, 2014 at 8:35 am

    You should have asked why do we have day and night. Wherever there is good there is bound to be bad so that we can cherish both the good time and the bad times. Have you ever questioned if God has really a hand in all that is happening on earth? What about the choices we make in life. There are always two sides to a coin so is with life. Many people has encountered God in their life, many not. Many has believed that there is God, many not. God said we should subdue the earth so he trust that we can overcome any problem here on earth. That people are killing each other was never his intention of creating man, it is the choices of men. I think we should respect each other’s believe so as to live peacefully.

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    Jonathan Morley

    December 30, 2014 at 9:20 am

    I’ll accept the challenge… but only when he proves the Invisible Pink Unicorn doesn’t exist

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    Richard Hooker

    December 30, 2014 at 9:49 am

    God didn’t say we should subdue the earth so he trust that we can overcome any problem here on earth. Either a man in silly clothes said that to you or you heard it as a voice in your head, which would mean you are most likely suffering from schizophrenia. So which is it, a man in silly clothes or a mental condition?

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    Deryck Franklyn

    December 30, 2014 at 10:16 pm

    Scriptural ‘evidence’ is lies because of the glaring contradictions it contains. Also you cannot see God, feel God, smell God, hear God, taste God or measure a God using scientific measuring instruments. In a law court this would be sufficient evidence well beyond a reasonable doubt.
    The only people reputed to have seen God were Adam and Eve in the Garden Of Eden when this imaginary, omniscient, omnipotent. omnipresent God shouted out ‘Where art thou?’ because they were missing. Lol. I rest my case and look forward to getting my $100,000 cheque but I would prefer cash please.

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    December 31, 2014 at 1:46 pm

    Nothing in Genesis is true = the bible is untrue = there is no God/gods. We know for a fact that the earth is 4.6 billion years old and the Universe is 13.7 billion years old. A star exploded and the remains became our solar system. These are provable thruths. The bible does not mention this because they were ignorant ppl who thought earthquakes and tzunamis are Gods handiwork, and not the effects of plate tectonics. Man has been ignorant for thousands of years. Why stay ignorant on purpose, just to keep with your parents customs? That is not ignorance, but stupidity. There is no reason for rich western ppl to believe in these myths. You have the luxury to educate yourself to the facts of life. We know the true scientific answers to most questions that holy books try to answer. If this does not prove that your god does not exist, then you are a fool. There is a tiny, microscopic chance that there is a creator God, but there is NO chance of an Abrahamic God. If there was, he would have told the Jews that the old testament was a piece of shit/fiction and the world would be a different place.

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    December 31, 2014 at 1:57 pm

    Wow, you guys just believe anything ppl tell you. How about trying to read something yourself? I know it is a bitch to read when your IQ is so low, but plz believe me when I say that Nazis are not atheists, but catholics and protestants. Even though commies do not believe in gods, it was the political positioning of communism that killed ppl, not the disbelief in God. Also the Khmer killers where mainly Budhist.
    You must also be really thick when you accuse other ppl of atrocities when 80 percent of all murders and wars after 450 BC have been comitted by crazy christians? You are a fool, and sadly a typical american. No wonder the Chinese are rimming you guys like a cheap whore. Good luck learning mandarin

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    December 31, 2014 at 2:06 pm

    Not surprised that Ronnie did not get evolution. We have a common ancestor to apes. Apes evolved to climb threes and eat fruits etc. We evolved to walk upright to live on the plains. Get it or was this to evolved for you. Stupid ass christian gimp! Religion should be illegal, as it makes stupid ppl ignorant as well. Only the smart can see that religion is a poision of the mind. Man you jewlovers are a stupid bunch of cunts!

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    January 2, 2015 at 2:49 am

    This is too easy….I’d have the “pastor” pray to god to stay my hand as I take a baseball bat to his head…

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    January 2, 2015 at 2:54 am

    Nipples on men. I rest my case.

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    Jeff Wilcox

    January 2, 2015 at 7:03 pm

    God, is defined as all powerful, all knowing, and something which there can no greater

    God would be greater if HE is known than if HE is unknown.

    I do not know God

    Therefore God (as defined above) does not exist

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    January 4, 2015 at 6:06 am

    God is said to be omnipotent,omnipresent and omniscient and he knew the end before he started his creation. So who or what shaped his foresight of how existence would play itself out. He was alone at the time and I believe it’s safe to assume he must have been the architect of our lives abundant with suffering, injustice, famine, violence, wars, drug abuse and general moral decadence. Such cannot be a loving god. Would lucifer develop whatever negativities he is accused of had he not been given the ability to do so by god? Did god not foresee such an eventuality before he created lucifer and could he not create him unable to develop undesired attributes? What ever his plans that make him allow all that goes against his alleged good intentions, has he no other methods of achieving his plans even better without having to allow any of his creatures to ever experience any pain or even to sin? Some will say that would take away free choice. Is free choice that integral to justify all the atrocities in the world. Would he be unable to make us appreciate him and the beauty of creation without pain? The whole thing about God just escapes logic and should be rejected with contempt.

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    January 5, 2015 at 5:39 am

    Sounds to me like you couldnt disprove it. The deep voice and scientific jargon seems appealing but pointless, honestly. Did anyone learn anything from this video? Its personal choice to believe in God or not. Whatever makes you happy and fills your life with purpose. I grew up atheistic and didnt accept any sort of faith until I realized I can’t do this all on my own. And once I took the intellectual risk, and accepted that humans don’t have absolute control, miracles started to happen. Can you that your life is the result of the big bang? What caused the big bang? You cant prove that either, just sayin. We’ll never be able to prove there is a God. God is not a math problem. God is what we can’t explain. Every year we get closer to the answer, but its a search that will never end. And that’s the beauty of it all. We will forever seek to understand the unexplainable, thus we will forever come closer to God. Through Science, Religion, Meditation; every problem we solves brings us closer to God as we perpetually seek to answer the unexplainable. In the meantime, let us respect each others faith because we are all entitled to believe in what brings us peace of mind. And through our individual efforts, we will strive towards clarity collectively.

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    January 7, 2015 at 2:41 am

    Simple proof against the existence of an all-powerful, all-knowing, and just and merciful God:

    the suffering of innocent beings. Innocents suffer either because God chooses to allow it or because he is powerless to stop it.

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    Emeniano Acain Somoza Jr.

    January 7, 2015 at 10:56 am

    I don’t know about you but my nipples are part of my pleasure vortex.

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    Emeniano Acain Somoza Jr.

    January 7, 2015 at 11:02 am

    You have the wisdom. Hats off to you. You are the man!

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    Vi Ma

    January 7, 2015 at 4:29 pm

    There are so many problems in your comment, basically every single sentence. Since I’m only writing a comment, not a dissertation, I’m not going to address them all, just one. “Disease, War, Hatred, Poverty, as well as all the sins being done each day shows that the devil is the strongest power present.” For disease, we have medicine; for war, we have peace; for hatred, love; for poverty, sharing wealth. For every “sin” being done each day there are those who do the exact opposite. For every “evil” there is a matching “good”. God does not “allow” evil. He allows free will, and mankind chooses to use it for evil. Mankind also chooses to use it for good. In the end, it all balances out.

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    January 8, 2015 at 10:19 pm

    Why do you equate life with the two sides of a coin. There are many more sides to life. Simplistic thinking leads to people believing in superstitious nonsense.

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    January 9, 2015 at 11:03 pm

    you are both a liar and a thief

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    Brandon boller

    January 10, 2015 at 3:01 am

    Its impossible for the human race to prove or disprove if there is a god they’re not smart enough.

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    January 11, 2015 at 8:34 pm

    I hope you don’t really buy that garbage. Are you kidding? “some scientists even wonder if someday there will be men at all…” What stupidity. And your XX XY chromosome is a farse because we haven existed for millions of years. That is a dream with no proof. Carbon dating can only go back 30,000 years so nothing can be tested accurately beyond that. And you are right. It is elementary. too bad you made calculus out of simple arithmetic.

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    Kat Thompson

    January 13, 2015 at 12:19 am

    The Christian God is all powerful and all loving and He created humans in his own image so he must have liked us a lot. Like we are his own children. But what kind of father owns a beautiful home yet puts his own children in a place where they are burned alive or starved to death? Not even a bad parent would do such a thing.

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    January 13, 2015 at 9:10 am


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    Larry Flynt

    January 14, 2015 at 12:03 pm

    Ahum, why add carbon dating to the mix? Whats that got to do with anything? There is a whole complex of sciences involved when dating things. Carbon dating is used for a comparatively small portion of dating tasks (carbon based stuff up to 30 000 years). Older stuff and stuff of other materials are dated by other means and methods. There is a plethora of ways of dating stuff, So carbon dating per see is irrelevant for measuring such a thing as the age of the universe.

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    Rarity “Marshmallow Glory”

    January 15, 2015 at 11:29 pm

    There is no evidence that God doesn’t exist, but there also is no evidence that he does exist. Therefore we can believe in whatever. I for one believe that there is no God, but that does not mean no one else can.

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    Georgina Varhelyi

    January 16, 2015 at 2:53 am

    As infantile as his logic is, it’s also insulting. It’s quite clear that he has no intention of honoring this bet. If you’re still not clear on how this intellectually dishonest doublespeak works, DeadState will offer anyone $1,000,000,000,000,000,000 for proof that the Hindu god Ganesha doesn’t exist.

    People don’t go to great lengths to prove to the world that the Hindu god Ganesha doesn’t exist but they do for the Christian god..

    It’s obvious that he believes you cannot prove that God doesn’t exist but If you find that insulting it just proves that you are an easy target and are prone to be offended by the slightest thing that opposes you non beliefs. And as most of you are prone to say to Christians – you are just insecure in your non beliefs and need something to challenge it.

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    V Mark Bagnato

    January 17, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    I am tired of being a liberal Democrat and people speaking as if we all are suppose to be athiest or agree with the negaitive points against pastors and those who speak their mind. Evolution is only theory. Its can be proven that we came from nowhere. seeing we cant even see that far into this galaxy and beyond. We only guess. But then we get all bent when someone has another view.

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    January 18, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Do thoughts, hopes, beliefs, and imagination exist? Prove they don’t, empirically, and maybe that proves “God” also does not.

    Yours in devout non-theism.

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    Dave Meyers

    January 18, 2015 at 12:03 am

    Hard to believe that this man, who is not very bright: 1. Is a legitimate Pastor who went through the grueling process of Seminary 2. Has $100,000.

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    V Mark Bagnato

    January 18, 2015 at 12:27 am

    Well now, so you believe in God, I believe he allows free will as well He doesn’t want obedient robots.. Oh yes, there is much good in this world, But evil is reigning.. God will not force anyone to love and turn to HIm. I guess I wll close out of here. thanks for sharing. I have to get with kids… I try to love folks, show grace, and such that has been shown me. Take care keep in touch if you will. I like your views

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    Three Phased

    January 18, 2015 at 12:42 am

    Something that cannot either be proved or disproved effectively does not exist. How smart one is has nothing to do with it.

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    January 18, 2015 at 1:02 am

    I’m not arguing for the existence of God, but I would like to answer your last question. I have children, and part of raising them is providing an environment that is reasonably safe and is monitored by their mother and me.
    Thing is, you can’t make it too safe, or they will never learn lessons and have failures that teach them the path they need to take. As babies, a parent controls every thing in a babies world, but each passing day after that, oarents give up a little bit of control until eventually, the child is living responsibly by themselves without help, and can go out in the world with confidence and experience.
    If God does exist, it would seem to me that the worst thing he could do is change our lives so that everything is perfect and easy for us.
    We aren’t babies anymore…we have to travel the world without the help of our parents and live our lives under our own strength.

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    January 18, 2015 at 1:05 am

    I was asking the same question to a Mormon lady I worked with. The day I stopped fully believing in God (I am agnostic now. Can’t prove he does or doesn’t exist) was the Sandy Hook Elementary tragedy. I asked her why God would allow innocent children to die, and she said that it is because the person that committed the crime will have to deal with his judgement day. Biggest bunch of bullshit ever. Another reason people are stupid to listen to their “prophets”.

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    January 18, 2015 at 1:23 am

    Let me get this straight: Your god can’t be seen, heard, photographed, or detected with any scientific instruments. He never communicates with us (no, ancient, unverified writings by pre-scientific societies don’t count).

    And I’m supposed to prove he doesn’t exist? I say no one’s ever seen him, you say he’s invisible. I say he never speaks to us in a verifiable way, you say that’s not how he rolls. See the problem? How can I disprove a being’s existence when any reasonable disproof has been blocked in advance by a ten foot thick wall of nonsense?

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    January 18, 2015 at 1:37 am

    Blind faith is faith without reason ~ Those that want to control others use religious doctrine to further their ends ~

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    Philip Schafer

    January 18, 2015 at 2:03 am

    Pastor Feuerstein, assuming for the sake of argument that God exists, please prove to me that it’s a “he.”

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    January 18, 2015 at 3:27 am

    Dylan, that is a cop out! The question is, does r collective existence and all phenomenon by extension, require the existence of a personal god? If not, than why does the concept of a personal God exist? And if the latter question can be answered; our query is over and the moron in the video owes me 1000000 bones!

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    Diane Moffatt

    January 18, 2015 at 3:27 am

    Unanswered prayer should do the trick.

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    January 18, 2015 at 3:46 am

    Why are some men so hung up on their nipples? We embryonically all start out as girls and some differentiate as boys. And men can have breast cancer! That’s life.

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    January 18, 2015 at 3:52 am

    What makes you think that anyone on this earth is innocent. Just because we all aren’t out murdering babies or stealing money from the poor doesn’t mean that we are not guilty of something. The theory that God doesn’t exist because bad thing happen to good people is irrelevant. In most people there is good and bad. No one deserves to die of cancer or be abused as a child but these things happen because the will of man is shaped by the evil in this world. God created man to give him glory but wants man to do that upon his own free will. We are the same way don’t we hope that people love us out of free will instead of them being forced. Evil will always exist because man will always try to be there own god and God will allow it for a while but don’t be confused everyone will be judged by a rightcheois God who is able to empathize with us because he came to this earth and faced every temptation but committed no sin or evil but still chose to die so that you will not have too.

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    January 18, 2015 at 3:58 am


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    January 18, 2015 at 4:01 am

    He didn’t have to create you but he did so you could give him glory. He wants you to do that upon your own free will. Just as you want people to love you of there own free will. Evil is in this world because man is greedy and does there best to be there own god. If God were to return now and right the wrongs of this earth there would be a lot of people going to Hell. God will return one day and make a new earth without evil but he is waiting as long as he can because you or I may need it.

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    pamela tessmer

    January 18, 2015 at 5:22 am

    Here we go. I dont even need to speak a word. 1 picture proves it

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    January 18, 2015 at 5:47 am

    So an atheist walks into a bar with a fairie, the Boogey man and a Plush time traveling teddy bear and says “gimme my $100,000″….and it totally happened. Prove it didn’t lol

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    January 18, 2015 at 6:11 am

    The Thinking Atheist needs a better microphone. The pastor shouting across the room into his video camera’s built in mic provided far better audio quality than TTA’s oversized broadcast mic.

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    January 18, 2015 at 6:32 am

    Your logic is exactly why I will only ever be agnostic. Can’t prove either way.

    If you believe in god, who or what created god?

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    January 18, 2015 at 6:38 am

    Unfortunately, your argument is easily torn apart. I’ve seen it before. If we take two other opposites, light and dark, we see that dark is simply the absence of light. well, it can be argued that evil is simply the absence of good. it’s a purely philosophical argument and doesn’t get you anywhere.

    Try this instead: per the Bible, God is omniscient. If that’s the case, why did he have to make two tries to “save” the world? (first being Noah, second being Jesus). Why didn’t he send down Jesus initially if he knew that Noah’s flood wouldn’t work. 🙂

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    January 18, 2015 at 6:56 am

    God created the heavens – meaning the angels – and Satan was one of these beings. He began to feel that he was just as wonderful and powerful as God so there was a war. God cast him out of heaven along with “1/3 of the stars in the sky” those were fallen angels, now demons. Thus Satan was put on earth where he reigns for now. He and his demons fill this world with evil that we are tempted with starting from our very first breath. God does reveal himself to us all the time, those who are open find him. Those who are not open have made their choice. HERE IS THE IMPORTANT THING: Right now the earth is filled with ALL of his creations, including angels, demons, Satan himself and US. We have free will, thanks to Eve… and when God returns there will be a war AND HE WINS. Of course he does…no power is greater. Please please try to find Him before this time comes. Please leave your heart open to what He is trying to tell you.

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    Randy Phillips

    January 18, 2015 at 8:38 am

    It is even simpler than that. If no evidence exists to support the claim that there is a god, why would you believe in one. There is no rational reason to believe in god. Take any such discussion and insert “undetectable invisible pink unicorns in my underwear drawer” everywhere you see god, and “stuff written by unicorn believers” for bible. Logic remains unchanged, claims do not become more or less truthful.
    The answer is because I was indoctrinated as a child. Once that happens, overcoming it is very, very difficult.

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    January 18, 2015 at 9:58 am

    Im buddhist but also athiest because buddheism doesnt focus on a higher power but a philosophical guide, many can believe there is also a higher power but not all of them such as my self. so does that make me less human for choosing to believe in philosophical guidelines set by a man about being a good person and spreading love and happiness?

    Ps. Apologies if there are any grammatical errors.

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    January 18, 2015 at 10:02 am

    You can’t prove the nonexistence of something, only what you claim exists, and, if the Pastor had a triple-digit IQ, he’d know that the burden of proof would be on him claiming God exists, not us, the doubters. So much for logical fallacies, right? This is why Mr. Fattie Gluttony Pastor is dumb. He’s just a very prideful man who thinks he knows everything. Sorry bruh, you know nothing, and you’ve proven nothing, especially with your logical fallacies.

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    Random Atheist

    January 18, 2015 at 10:13 am

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    Ben Andrews

    January 18, 2015 at 12:15 pm

    I did prove that god did not exist and I am still waiting for my cheque. Not a peep and not any type of rebuttal either

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    January 18, 2015 at 1:22 pm

    simple tell him to prove Santa, the Easter bunny and the tooth ferry don’t exist ….. and once he has proven they don’t exist he will have his answer

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    cathy carroll

    January 18, 2015 at 2:03 pm

    How does it all balance out? Certainly not for the innocents, who through no free will of their own, are starving, being massacred, or living lives of poverty.

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    January 18, 2015 at 2:25 pm

    Bullcrap. Using your logic, the Devil is just as strong as “God”. They seem to be stuck in a zero sum game with us stuck in the middle.

    And Free Will? Yeah, nothing says, “I give you Free Will, but I’ma gonna throw your ass into a lake of burning fire for eternity if you don’t love me and kiss my ass.” That’s not free will, it’s extortion. Time for people to evolve, grow up, and admit that the bronze age fairy tales they’re desperately clinging to, tales stolen from previous cultures, ARE NOT REAL.

    We, as a species, cannot evolve further until we cast off the yoke of religion. It poisons everything.

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    January 18, 2015 at 2:32 pm

    It’s pretty obvious, as Seth note, the challenge, etc. is all about the “pastor”. One more overgrown adolescent.

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    January 18, 2015 at 2:35 pm

    It would be stupid for an atheist to try and disprove God exist because we don’t believe it’s on you to prove he does exist because you read a book and say he exist sorry the boardin of proof is on You religious people .Atheists can never prove he doesn’t exist but it is not our problem your saying he’s real without a sredd of evidence apart from passage from a man made book and also we have no clue who actually wrote it

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    January 18, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    God of the gaps? But, those gaps shrink every year. I can at least agree with “if it makes you happy”, but some people don’t know that your rights end where mine begin.

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    Tharuka Perera

    January 18, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    Radiometric dating. Thats what carbon dating falls under, and it comprises many other dating systems like Uranium-lead dating, which you can use to date rocks several billion years old… Just because you don’t know shit about it, doesn’t mean its wrong. Cheers 🙂

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    January 18, 2015 at 4:57 pm

    I’m not sure why you all are so quick to attack faith and God when you don’t even believe in it. You would think it wouldn’t matter but you go out of your way to name call attack and disprove if your happy not believing in or happy to have faith what’s it matter? Guess we as humans will never get it it’s the feelings toward ideas here why we have war, anger, war, and hatered. It’s like a Christian who hates gays cuz there sining or a gay who hates cuz Christian don’t believe in his actions both sides of this argument is pointless if you don’t believe so what and if you do, glad you can find happiness. Coming for a believe the biggest problem for non believers is Christians are soft falling from God and not doing his work. Christians are become fake and open churches for money and it’s sad to see Christian come to this. But repect all is my mgs!

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    Jeff Trapp

    January 18, 2015 at 5:25 pm

    “That which can be asserted without evidence, can be dismissed without evidence.” – Christopher Hitchens.

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    Veronica Hamel

    January 18, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    Things that fit the human definition of supernatural can in affect be shown to not exist. Quantum Mechanics makes a very strong case.

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    January 18, 2015 at 6:27 pm

    Vi Mai….just one problem with your statement. You say that God allows us to practice free will. That is a false statement and here’s why. Look at all of the scripture that tells people what they can and can’t do, what they can eat, what they can wear, etc. I would cite references to these actual scripture but I’m going to assume you are a well-informed person on the subject and know exactly what I’m talking about. So how is that practicing free will? Just look at the history present in The Bible. Any time mankind has acted in a way less favorable by God, he has been put in check by plagues, floods, fire and brimstone, etc. Maybe the best way to clarify this is to look at the actual definition of free will.
    the power of acting without the constraint of necessity or fate; the ability to act at one’s own discretion.

    That definition was taken from So many simple words in that definition that clearly disprove your statement that God gives us free will, such as “acting WITHOUT constraint”…”One’s OWN discretion”. If we take this definition in its literal sense, then free will does not include any deity from any religion but simply the own forethought of the person practicing it. It is plain and simple. There is simply no way to make an exception to the rule…period. So I implore you to please make sure you are using a term correctly before you choose to use it in a debate to uphold your claim.

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    January 18, 2015 at 9:41 pm

    How can we leave in peace by respecting each others beliefs if some people believe killing for their god is okay??? Although both good and evil do coexist, your statement begs the question. It is not an explanation of why this is. If evil is a consequence only of human choices, do you not think tsunamis, earthquakes, floods, fires, starvation and disease is bad? If they are good, why? If they are bad, how did human decisions cause them?

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    John Evans

    January 18, 2015 at 11:54 pm

    You make an error in assuming the only element used for radiological dating is carbon. Carbon is just one of the elements used in radiological dating. It is particularly suited to dating material that was once living and less than approximately 50,000 old. There are a number of other elements that are used for other materials and longer time frames.

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    Camron Baker

    January 19, 2015 at 3:19 am

    I dont believe in God but that is my choice because if there was a god why would he put good people through the worst and then keep making it worse

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    Peter Cohen

    January 19, 2015 at 4:08 am

    This Feurerstein guy is the Guy Fieri of evangelical pastors.

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    January 19, 2015 at 6:34 am

    We are here on earth to learn. God gave us free agency to choose right or that we can learn. Without bad we would not understand good

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    Netsrik Rengaw

    January 19, 2015 at 6:52 am

    I am a devoted Christian, but for the most part I 100% agree with many of your points—and frankly, so does Jesus. The church has made many many mistakes in the past 20 years. Preaching the gospel and then living lifestyles of sin and yes, hypocrisy. However, not all of us are like this. And on behalf of every Christian who has ever treated you bad or talked at you negstively- I truly am sorry, please forgive me/us.
    MI’ve struggled with many of your questions even moving through life AS a Christian. The struggle is real but that’s where it gets interesting…… In regards to your post…which I have to say- was refreshingly classy, I have some answers for you. 🙂

    At first it might seem that if God created all things, then evil must have been created by God. However, evil is not a “thing” like a rock or electricity. You cannot have a jar of evil. Evil has no existence of its own; it is really the absence of good. For example, holes are real but they only exist in something else. We call the absence of dirt a hole, but it cannot be separated from the dirt. So when God created, it is true that all He created was good. One of the good things God made was creatures who had the freedom to choose good. In order to have a real choice, God had to allow there to be something besides good to choose. So, God allowed these free angels and humans free will. Because what good is love or relationship if there is no choice? Therefore they had the ability to choose good or reject good (evil).

    As far as evil being the strongest power on the planet……it’s not. I dabbled in quite a bit of “evil” and I can tell you- one tangible hour of the Lord’s presence….the feeling of being loved so much, crazy happiness, peace, excitement, visions…..was FAR greater than any evil I EVER messed with.

    But your right- there is SO much evil in the world…it’s scary—but there’s a reason for it. His name is satan. Lucifer wasn’t always evil- in fact he was one of Gods right hand Angels. But When he and the angels fell- (we’re kicked out of heaven) he was filled with hatred and wanted nothing more than to destroy God. But, being that he was kicked out of heaven- he couldn’t quite reach Him anymore… what better way to get to a Father- than through his children? This is why satan (who has been temporarily*** been given dominion over the earth) goes after us. We are made in the image and likeness of God….so we are just like Him and it makes sense why there is so much going on.

    As far as God stopping the evil. He does, and will. But He is a gentleman, and one line he will not cross is free will. We have to ask Him to act, and we have to have faith that HE is God, not us. So what result WE want or expect from him when we ask, may not always happen. Scripture says He knows the end from the beginning—so…true story- my dad passed away a few years ago and I was very VERY bitter and angry at the Lord. Why didn’t he save my dad? Why did he have to die right when we were working on our relationship and finally JUST starting to get close after 24 years!? Then I heard the Lord as clear as day “would you still be mad if I told you that that was my only chance to have him with me for eternity? That in that moment He was right with me, and had I allowed him to live, when his time came later in life- he would not be?” And suddenly it hit me- IF that was true—It makes sense..we can’t see these things and Ya sure it may sound like crazy talk to some, but if that was the only moment in my dads life where he was heaven bound- I’m glad Jesus took him. Cause I will see him again!!!!

    As far as people being looked down on and discriminated against by their skin color, sex, etc—-the Lord is on your side here, this is NOT okay. He created and deeeeply loves every single one of us- therefore this is something He hates. Just like a father doesn’t tolerate his children fighting- neither will God.

    I’ll end with something someone told me and about 20,000 other people at a conference quite a while back…….that changed my life forever……….
    “Every injustice, every harsh word, every hurtful act, every war, every evil will all be accounted for if the accused does not seek forgiveness. As hard as it may seem, Jesus wants you to forgive and forget…….because He won’t.”

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    January 19, 2015 at 7:04 am

    I don’t accept challenges from morons, sorry.

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    Adam King

    January 19, 2015 at 12:50 pm

    Religion is all based on belief, but true believers act on their faith without a weekly reminder on how they are supposed to act. Did you care for the hungry? Did you offer comfort to the sick? Do you treat others as you would want to be treated? Did you offer shelter to your neighbor who just lost his house in a fire? Did you do that without giving thought about it?

    If you did that without ever stepping foot in a church, then I don’t have to prove god exists to you. Christians get a bad rap that sadly has been earned throughout history. They have done a ton of evil using god’s name. The Crusades, shunning the sick during the plague, the Holocaust (Hitler proclaimed himself a Christian!), oh and least I forget Pat Robertson who spews hate of his neighbors every day. Pat, Pat, Pat, what ever happened to “Love thy neighbor?” If I remember correctly, god put that one in the top 10.

    My point, be a good Christian without the weekly Sunday reminder. You can do it, I have faith in you.

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    Pete Frens

    January 19, 2015 at 2:12 pm

    You say after you believed in god miracles started happening. What kind of miracles? I find that god can locate lost keys, help a guy score in a game, maybe heal a cold and sometimes cancer, but he can’t feed the starving kids in the poor countries, and he never gives a limb back to an amputee. Every so called miracle is ambiguous and every god even non god gives the same answer. There is always a natural cause behind every miracle. Miracles are natural causes that a religious cannot understand and so they put a god in the gap.

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    K Oak Chooklin

    January 19, 2015 at 2:25 pm


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    January 19, 2015 at 3:14 pm

    Dylan, You don’t have to learn anything from the video once you understand the point which is “You cannot disprove something that isn’t there”. I understand that living “alone” can be very discouraging, we are social animals and we require the company of others, you don’t have to let go of your intellect in order to be more social, you just have to be a little more tolerant of others believes which is ALSO a social requirement for harmonious interaction. Seriously? miracles started to happen; sure, I guess that the concept of a “miracle” is being taken lightly in this context. The God of the gaps: nothing new there, pal; the difference is that science is trying to tackle the problem without accepting the first assumption given. It may seem to us that we might never answer the Big Bang question but at least we are trying, trying is fun, it gives you something to do, the true beauty of purpose, you know? I love music but I do not attribute a god to it. It gives me euphoria, emancipation, relaxation, intellect, happiness, sadness, etc. but it doesn’t mean a god is “tickling” my brain.

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    January 19, 2015 at 3:15 pm

    LOL You made my day!

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    January 19, 2015 at 3:35 pm

    How long is a life? Where did it come from? Why is there only one planet with human and other complex living breathing thinking creatures on it? How come we have not been able to find another world as perfectly suited for ‘life’ as earth, though we can see hundreds of light years away? Why has our planet survived alone as an oasis of life and ‘evolution’ when there is so much to cause death and destruction in the universe and even on our planet? Can you truly believe we are where we are and have become what we are by being simply lucky? Science points out that there are uncountable stars in the universe, and speculates that some could have planets that could support life; but not as we know it viral and bacterial life but not human or animal life, or life more complex than single celled creatures. So tell me are we all here due simply to one big accident or incident that created an entire universe of matter from nothing but a big bang somewhere out there; an event no one can explain or comprehend but out of which all we know, and all we are, and all we will ever be came into being? A universal lotto so to speak, where Earth won the jackpot and the other trillions of solar systems and galaxies simply collected smaller prize payouts? Our entire lives are simply as one breath in a universe of time, a blink of the eye in a universe larger than the number of cells that make up our entire planet. Is it by accident or divine design that we are here? Many scientific theorists now are beginning to believe there may have been some kind of intelligence involved in the origins of the universe as we know it, could it be that there is a God force at work in the cosmos? I believe yes is the answer to that question.

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    January 19, 2015 at 6:11 pm

    Well if you were God, would you want a whole bunch of people to be mindless robots with no will to choose whether or not they want to love you? Or would you rather just make them mindless robots with no choice (choice of good and evil).

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    January 19, 2015 at 6:13 pm

    Exactly. Who would want a bunch of mindless robots with no freewill following them? It means more if someone CHOOSES to follow.

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    January 19, 2015 at 8:52 pm

    Do you love anyone? Prove it!

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    Jonathanr Rivera

    January 19, 2015 at 10:49 pm

    Is God capable of doing the impossible?
    If he can God would be able to exist and not exist at the same time. Making atheist also correct. Please send me your money……

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    Jonathan Rivera

    January 19, 2015 at 11:21 pm

    This pastor must not be to smart. To show “proof” on non existence. I will give you another 2 more to select from and I need that money you promised for answering your question prior. Since I told you there is a ‘possibility” that God can do both. I will take both sides.
    1. The same way you asked for evidence on God’s non existence, you must be speaking about the God of The Holy Bible. He says he is the only God and there is non beside him. I will like proof from either you or God that those other gods he speaks about don’t exist. hahahhahaahh
    I am actually a Christian and I prayed for it. And I can determine nothing will happen, but other people replies in trying to proof non sense hahahha. Which leads to my second one…
    2. In the story of Elijah God wanted to proof he was the true God amongst the people. He made it known he was the true God by causing fire to reign down from the sky when Elijah prayed, and proofed the non existence of the other gods when they did nothing at all. Since I am going to pray right here filled with the Holy Spirit. If God doesn’t do nothing, that means according to is word he dosnt exist……Dear heavenly father I pray for that you cause fire to drop from the sky as you have done before or anything to make it known that you are the truly living God. Grant all of us a sign that who are the living one so we don’t have to doubt anymore. In Jesus name I pray Amen…… God done nothing. According to his standards he don’t exist.

    Please give me my money!

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    Jonathan Rivera

    January 19, 2015 at 11:24 pm

    Wow they deleted my comment!!!!

    I said before my other post.
    Is God capable of doing the impossible?
    If so, than he has the capability of existing and not existing at the same time. Making atheist also correct about him.

    Please send me the money

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    January 20, 2015 at 12:53 am

    You don’t have to believe in god/gods/godesses to have morals. You don’t have to believe in a higher power or an afterlife to know how to be kind to one another. Compassion is not a religion/God phenomenon.

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    January 20, 2015 at 2:01 pm

    Hitler was christian

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    Paul Weiss

    January 20, 2015 at 5:38 pm

    You religious folks really are quite dense. “Infinite” means “infinite”. “Omnipotent” means “omnipotent”. That is to say, it is easily within the reach of an omnipotent, infinitely loving god to create a being capable of enjoyment while at the same time having no knowledge of sin or evil. To suggest otherwise is to simply imprint your omnipotent god with your own shortcomings. Sorry, you can’t have it both ways. If god exists, he created evil … period!

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    January 20, 2015 at 7:37 pm

    That’s idiotic. Per the Bible, God created evil and sin. Per the Bible, God intended Adam and Eve to eat from the Tree of Knowledge (and then refused to give them the wisdom they needed to go with that knowledge).

    You have to remember, he knows everything and is all powerful. That means he knew what would happen, and created things in a way to cause them to happen.

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    Sue sue Sue

    January 22, 2015 at 12:00 am

    this pastor can give me the $100,000 because I can prove God is not real. he needs to talk to his god and let him know that he is about to prove that his god is real. once that is done he agrees to be killed. when his God allows him to return as proof I will return the money. if he doesn’t return than I prove my point and keep the money

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    January 22, 2015 at 4:54 am

    I have been a Christian for three years this month. I know I don’t have all the answers and never will, but I feel that I may can tell you what I do know. In regard to Lucifer, before he became what we call the devil, he was an angel. God cast him out of heaven. One thing that has to be understood is that God gave us free will. The devil brought with his free will temptation and sin into the garden of eden. Adam and Eve were given the same free will to obey their one rule, but chose not to. That is where sin comes from. God showed the world His love by sending a Savior to take our punishment for our sin, but God is not just loving, all knowing, and merciful, He is also a wrathful and jealous God who seeks His children. He will show that wrath on the day of judgment and everyone will be judged for what they chose to do. That is when He will fix the mess we created in this world. I don’t know if this helped or not but I’m praying that maybe some of it does. I thank you for reading this if you did.

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    Ryan benda

    January 22, 2015 at 9:42 pm

    Yeah and Stalin wasn’t a Christian. And he was twice to murder! Was do we talk about hitler like he was the only nut in that war America britain Russia Germany Japan all murdered killed and Russia after the war ordered rape of the German women where number are believed to be as high as 800,000 rapes took place while starving eastern Germany! I no this has nothing to do with the topic just seem if there evil in the world propel always compare it to hitler. There’s more nut jobs then him out there

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    Johnny NoDepth

    January 23, 2015 at 11:51 pm

    Hitler was a Christian and the Pope before last was a Nazi.

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    January 24, 2015 at 1:54 am

    Right on guy every thing you said.

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    February 4, 2015 at 11:59 pm

    LMAO… there is ZERO evidence that god exists.

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    February 5, 2015 at 12:04 am

    Atheists converted ? He is so full of shit. That would be like having been in a fire, suffering 3rd degree burns , healing and then jumping back in the flames. MORON. MORALS ARE NOT EXCLUSIVE TO RELIGION. In fact they existed BEFORE religion. RELIGION = EVIL / IGNORANCE.

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    February 6, 2015 at 3:17 am

    You forgot about the Italians.. -.-

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    February 11, 2015 at 11:42 am

    This may come as a shocker, but there are decent people and total assholes both with faith and without. Maybe the problem is not either a lack or overabundance of religion, but the fact that some people suck.

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    Chris LaRose

    February 11, 2015 at 6:02 pm

    Answer me this: If GOD is infallible, and all of his/hers or it’s creations are as perfect as he/she/it can make them, please explain why the human genome has over 4,000 genetic disorders, 2 dozen of which will kill you dead before you reach the age of puberty and can pass that mutation along into the gene pool? These mutations are in ALL of us, from Eskimo’s to Watusi’s, doesn’t matter if you are black, white, brown, yellow or red. Childhood cancer? Spineibifida (sp)? Can’t you do a better job than that? Awful sloppy work if you ask me. And let’s not forget that 20,000 people starve to death each and every day because why? Are you deaf and blind to their suffering? You can’t seem to control the weather you created or are you deliberately creating massive earthquakes and hurricanes that kill thousands of men, women, children, and animals just for fun?
    Prove you exist by fixing the stuff you broke, and quit creating death and misery and destruction just because you can!

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    February 12, 2015 at 3:47 pm

    I challenge Josh to prove that he didn’t get so fat by munching on his own a-hole.
    Prize: Lecture on Gluttony.

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    Kohn king

    February 13, 2015 at 8:11 am

    The only thing this video proved was how stupid white people are

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    February 15, 2015 at 2:41 pm

    A few thoughts.

    First, how can you claim the Feuerstein is coming in with a bias but the atheist, starting in the presumption that there is no God rather with skepticism is unbiased. Doesn’t your root claim make a presupposition and acknowledge (if you were being genuine) that if evidence pointed to a God, you would have to deny all that you claimed as scientifically established? If not, there is no “following the evidence where it leads,” but making a predetermination that won’t allow an alternative.

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    February 16, 2015 at 12:38 pm

    I must say, I’m really impressed by the level of intellectual rigor here (from insults to saying Hitler was a Christian). I’d welcome anyone to respond to my last post. Also, since belief in a God predated atheism and certainly came long before Darwinian evolution, how is this the presumed belief system to be defeated? Is it because the case for evolution is thought to be so strong or because it has been forced on the public?

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    February 17, 2015 at 3:33 pm

    It’s appearing to me that the atheists on this site are only interested in ad hominem attacks and being granted the presumption of being only guided by science. Let me spot you the false premise that has yet to be answered and accept that you have reached your conclusions through exhaustively weeding through the scientific evidence. Please explain how it is scientific to believe that man originated and “evolved” by violating basic scientific laws (i.e. life arising from non-life, creation not reproducing after their own kind). If you put this simply down to time and chance, tell me how your position is not one of faith rather than “following the evidence?”

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    February 18, 2015 at 9:04 am

    I got your intellectual rigor right here: Belief in god isn’t the problem. It’s how the devout constantly claim AUTHORITY over others by appealing to a non-present entity that really offends non-believers. Hitler’s personal beliefs are irrelevant, but his actions speak volumes. He played on the anti-Semitism and nationalistic zeal of europe’s largely-christian lower classes to give them an ‘enemy’ to lynch. AND THEN THEY HELPED HIM LYNCH ANYONE HE POINTED THEM TOWARDS. His rallies made heavy use of the showy, heirarchical format of the procession of the catholic mass, & he enjoyed the tolerance, if not the support, of the pope, who, as the true ‘vicar of the prince of peace’, SHOULD have been denouncing his party’s violent tendencies. He used religious pageantry and a narrow reading of now-debunked science to further his own agenda. Many people are scared of the ‘religiously-suseptible’ because in desperate times, they look for someone to blame, they are more likely to share common, exploitable prejudices, so all it may take to whip them into a frenzy is someone with a convincing line of B.S. telling them what they want to hear to have them believing any atrocities they may commit are “what ‘GOD’ really wants.’ (For other examples, see: al qaeda, Waco, I.S.I.L, the K.K.K, Rwanda, Jonestown…)
    Evolution isn’t ‘forced’ on the public. As a matter of fact, the public routinely demands it constantly prove itself, which modern medicine does, daily. Scientists spend whole careers seeking fame and glory Trying to DISPROVE it by finding something that fits the world better; but the case for evolution isn’t just strong; it’s overwhelming; as inescapable as gravity ( also just a ‘theory’, right?) nearly everything we understand about biology, heredity, modern medicine, and all the predictive models we currently have which Save Lives every day would not work if it was not the mechanism by which life persists.While we don’t have a perfect understanding of the world, this by far what best reconciles most of it.
    Besides, if creationism is correct, whose version of the story of creation is right? You talk about pre-dating beliefs having more credibility, so were the ancient Egyptians right? Was the world pulled out of the Nile by horus the sun? Did brahma breath it to life out of the sacred Ganges? There are so many cultures older then ours…

    Yahweh promised to eradicate all evil with the flood. Krishna promised to end evil, but it persists. Thor just promised to slay all the ice giants. Does the world’s apparent lack of ice giants prove Thor was real and Yahweh and Krishna aren’t?

    IF ANY OF THESE DEITIES SHOWS UP (and heals, by regrowing a lost appendage on an amputee (something science cannot do- (yet)), I WILL CHANGE MY MIND.

    But, what if god IS so PETTY he CARES when you don’t honor him correctly? What if the denomination you innocently grew up with is THE WRONG ONE? What if poor pastor ‘lookatmeonyoutbe’ here is going to burn forever because he’s an infidel? What if Quezatcoatl is PISSED because the conquistadors stopped the aztecs from cutting a human heart out of a slave’s chest every morning so the sun would still rise-centuries ago?
    If these concerns sound ludicrous to you, if you can dismiss them out of hand, then you know exactly how I feel when I dismiss this publicity-hound pastor’s.

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    February 19, 2015 at 8:17 am

    Stop using false Christians as an example of Christianity it’s annoying

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    February 19, 2015 at 8:20 am

    And yet people talk about how scary the ouiji boards are, get real now. I had an Athiest tell me how he has to ‘soothe himself with logic’ in order not to be scared of a haunted house what’s that tell you

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    Rick Gibbons

    February 19, 2015 at 10:55 pm

    If you would consider a “real Christian” someone who followed Jesus’ advice to the letter, the vast majority of every Christian every would be a “false Christian.” Have you ever personally known a Christian who sold what he owned and gave to the poor? I personally haven’t.

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    February 20, 2015 at 3:47 am

    I appreciate your responding. You are off base in your assessment that Hitler’s personal beliefs didn’t matter, but his actions speak volumes. One’s personal beliefs are the guiding impetus for their actions. What don’t matter are words spoken to sell a message to the masses. Hitler did not inject Christianity into his plans to eradicate the Jews and purify the German race. Like Obama and pretty much every politician through the ages, they create a populist message to gain power – then go on to abuse their power. Hitler loved Nietzsche and gave out copies of his book to his political allies. He was all in on Darwin and his effort to bring about the purebred German race and eradicate the impure is natural selection with purpose. How is attempting to eradicate God’s chosen people in any way related to Christianity? How about his words commemorated boldly over Auschwitz – “I want to raise a generation of young people devoid of a conscience, imperious, relentless and cruel.” How about “The reason why the ancient world was so pure, light and serene was that it knew nothing of the two great scourges: the pox and Christianity.” I’m not interested in attempting to have a meaningful debate if you are going to veer into the “Hitler was a Christian” nonsense. That is not intellectual heft.

    Also, Islam is a false religion based on the Bible. They pray to a different God, deny Christ was crucified, claim he was a mere prophet to point to Mohammed so that a new false religion could come about. I’ll make you a deal. You don’t insult me by lumping Christianity in with all faith systems and I won’t lump you in with all the other faith systems that reject God and replace Him with an alternative.

    Incidentally, are you trying to tell me public high schools, colleges and universities will allow teaching on anything but evolution theory. Today my daughter told me she was taught as though it was established fact in her grade 11 biology class that man evolved from the ape and lemur family. You might want to toss in some proof on that if you would be so kind. Also, check out the documentary “Expelled: No Intelligence Design” where profs and scientists are being fired, denied the right to teach or publish and having their reputations destroyed because of their advocacy for Intelligent Design. Tell me where that is happening to evolutionists.

    I’ll go you one better. Based on the video, the claim was that evolution is where science takes one to and the atheist shouldn’t have to take on disproving every creationism explanation going down the pike. I defend only the Judeo-Christian creation story and you can defend the science behind atheism. No distraction of other religions. That being said, I’ll return to my earlier question: How is it scientific to insist that the origins of life violated what we observably know to be true in real terms – life cannot come from non-living things and all of nature recreates after its own kind.

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    February 20, 2015 at 6:36 am

    I like chocolate.

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    February 21, 2015 at 5:03 pm

    Theo you are not very smart are you. The truth is Hitler was a devout catholic. Every german soldier had god on their belt buckles. Hitler explicitly said that the national socialist movement was a christian movement. As far as Nietzsche goes he was extremely pro semetic after he was hospitalized for syphalis his anti semetic sister and her husband reworded the majority of his writings. The modern versions of his works were copied from his original manuscripts. Evolution is fact and anyone who wants to call themselves a teacher who denys this has no business poisoning their studendents with superstitious nonsense. Christianity has a history of savagery from Constantine to Rwanda. It is primitive superstitious, bigoted filth.

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    February 21, 2015 at 5:09 pm

    Evolution is not a violation of scientific laws. There is a theory right now that is going through the testing stages. If proven corrected it will prove that life can and most often will be created from inanimate matter under the right circumstances. If proven not only will it prove evolution as an undeniable fact. It will also prove humans can create life from inanimate matter, and that the existence of alien life is extremely probable. The work is being done at MIT by a proffesor England.

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    February 21, 2015 at 5:14 pm

    To come back to reality,

    Just remember the facts:

    Archaeological research indicates that there are NO writings outside of scripture (which are all mythological accounts), that document anything about jesus.
    There were several writers during the first century who reported the current events of the time (political, social, natural disasters and artistic) and not one mentions anything about him.
    Additionally, if he was so famous, raising the dead, curing cripples, walking on water, turning water into wine and raising a ministry of hundreds of thousands and angered jews and Romans alike, there would be much reason to report something about him….. but there is silence.
    There are not even any Roman court documents that mention him in spite of the fact that scripture suggests he was tried by Pilate himself. Keeping in mind, the Romans were meticulous at keeping records of everything they did to demonstrate to their superiors their hold on the people they conquered. Everything was accounted for.
    One must also keep in mind that there are no birth records, death records, tax records (as the Romans taxed everyone in the region), rabbi records and there is not even any record or mention of a last name. There are simply no documentations or any real life accounts about him during his alleged existence.
    He is basically another man-invented deity attached to allegorical stories like the rest of them: Thorr, Horus, Osiris, Zeus, Odin, Metzli, Xenu, etc…..
    I constantly hear evangelists and apologists cite Josephus but it is irrelevant. Josephus was not a contemporary and NEVER wrote anything about him.
    For a start, Josephus was born in the year 37 CE (Common Era) and the alleged crucifixion took place somewhere between 29 CE and 34 CE. In other words, he was not around to document or witness.
    There is a paragraph where he is mentioned in a much later version of the Josephus writings copied by christian scribes under the influence of Eusebius (235-339 CE), who arbitrarily edited the