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This polite atheist’s response to an angry Christian who called him ‘demonic’ is perfect

The founder of the U.K. group Discuss Jesus thinks that humanist weddings are actually “demonic rituals” and people who live a secular life are on a “first-class ticket to the sea of wantonness and debauchery.”

Appearing on The Big Questions, a British show dedicated to discussion topics related to religion and philosophy (why can’t we have shows like that here in the U.S.?), Christian pastor Taiwo Adewuyi praised a recent U.K. government ruling which refused to include humanist weddings among the legal forms of matrimony in the country. According to Raw Story, Scotland made humanist weddings legal in 2005 and the ceremonies have been immensely popular, even outnumbering Catholic weddings each year.

But in Adewuyi’s view, they are “entirely demonic.”

“It all goes back to the origins of humanism,” Adewuyi said. “Humanism is the cancer on thanks-giving. It is the Devil’s PR. It is a first-class ticket to the sea of wantonness and debauchery.”

Judging by the incredulous look on the face of Andrew Copson of the British Humanist Association, he couldn’t wait to politely chime in.

“Well, if you’re going to wantonness and debauchery, you might as well travel first class,” Copson quipped.

“Humanism,” he explained, “is a nonreligious world view that instead of looking to revelation or authority, we look to reason and evidence to understand the universe. Instead of looking to moral rules that come from outside human beings, we look to other human beings to generate values in the here and now and also to generate meaning in our life.”

“Instead of looking externally for some meaning to give value and sanction to the existence we’re having, the humanist view is that men and women in the course of our lives create the sustained meaning together,” Copson said.

Watch the exchange in the video below:

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36 Comments

36 Comments

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    James

    February 7, 2015 at 10:15 pm

    I love when Christians compare all atheists to potpot or stalin, when they didnt do what they did because they are atheists or in the name of it… unlike hitler who has said many times that he is a christian. How about the crusades? Here are some modern terrorists that are overlooked:http://www.salon.com/2013/08/03/the_10_worst_examples_of_christian_or_far_right_terrorism_partner/

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    Jim

    February 8, 2015 at 3:36 am

    Of course the poor sap poisoned by “Christianity” and all forms of religious gibberish can only spout silly sound bites, and doesn’t possess the self-restraint to shut his pie hole while others are speaking. I find this lack of impulse control very common with religionists. They are so full of fear and rage.

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    Fureyous

    February 8, 2015 at 4:16 am

    I didn’t think it was all that polite. He rose to the bait and everyone laughed at a gentleman who seemed to be expressing his heartfelt beliefs. I am not a deist but I believe in treating all with kindness and compassion, even those ensnared in fundamental religions.

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    marecek

    February 8, 2015 at 4:06 pm

    Perhaps I’m unclear here, but the moderator’s comments at the beginning indicated that, until recently in the UK, it was the case that one could only be married through a religious ceremony. Is that correct?

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    Emmet Bondurant

    February 8, 2015 at 6:38 pm

    I should think that someone whose “Good Book” can and has been used to rationalize child abuse, incest, rape, slavery, murder and genocide should probably refrain from referring to other people as “demonic”.

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    Steven

    February 8, 2015 at 7:13 pm

    I WANT a “first-class ticket to the sea of wantonness and debauchery.”

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    Kathy

    February 9, 2015 at 10:26 am

    You can have a non-religious, civil wedding in England performed by a registrar. This has been an option for at least the last couple of hundred years. There are some rules – it has to be performed at an official venue (registry office, or somewhere such as a hotel, castle, stately home etc that has applied for a license) and there can be no religious aspects while the registrar is present.

    The issue is that various religious groups in England can offer official weddings – the minister has the authority of a registrar. However, this does not apply to Humanism – you can have a Humanist marriage ceremony, but it will not be legally binding, so the couple would have to pop down to the registry office for the official paperwork.

    This applies to England – Scotland has different marriage rules.

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    Debra Brindle-Eastaugh

    February 9, 2015 at 3:03 pm

    No you could have a civil ceremony performed by a registrar either in a registry office or in a licensed venue.

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    Edward James

    February 9, 2015 at 3:45 pm

    Since 1837 civil marriages in a Register Office have been permitted; nowadays very many people get married in Register Offices, with no religious ceremony whatsoever. Indeed, a Register official is not allowed to mention religion AT ALL in the course of the ceremony.

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    Frank J LaFerriere

    February 9, 2015 at 9:07 pm

    I report on the utter evil of the priests, pastors, ministers and preachers of the Christian religion who rape and abuse and brutalize and torture and yes, even murder children.

    There is no greater debauchery and evil than what is inside the Christian churches.

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    mpg

    February 9, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    Why is it that every christian is a complete dipshit?

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    patherick

    February 9, 2015 at 11:23 pm

    I got married in the UK 50 years ago, and neither my wife nor me set foot in any religious building or ceremony. It is a completely secular process done in a government office called a Registry Office.

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    Stacy

    February 9, 2015 at 11:25 pm

    Wow, he’s gorgeous!! Too bad about being totally insane…

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    Donncha

    February 9, 2015 at 11:46 pm

    Can we change the title from polite atheist to polite humanist? It’s the term Copson used to describe himself and while I’m sure there is concern it will lead to less viewers it is infinitely more accurate, representative, and educational. Let’s give the humanists some positive PR and credit where credit is due.

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    Carol

    February 9, 2015 at 11:52 pm

    I do not know – I always thought that signing the civil papers was required in addition
    to a religious ceremony. I am not English so I probably do not know

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    JCJC

    February 10, 2015 at 12:02 am

    No, all marriages in the UK go through the state. To marry people you must be a registrar. This can be a vicar, priest, imam, rabbi etc or a state appointed non-religious registrar. Been like that for decades if not centuries.

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    Kitty Marie

    February 10, 2015 at 12:14 am

    Well according to the Article it says “Taiwo Adewuyi praised a recent U.K. government ruling which refused to include humanist weddings among the legal forms of matrimony in the country.” …..so I’m assuming if the Article is correct that it is legal in Scotland but in the U.K. It is still illegal to be married somewhere other than a church?? I’m a little confused as I’m american and have never heard of a humanist wedding (I’m assuming it means a ceremony without God or religion as a component of the ceremony?). From my experiences in the U.S. Weddings are just weddings and aren’t categorized by religious affiliation. I’m also confused because I’ve heard that though gay marriage was legalized in the U.K. That you still cannot be married in a church, so if you can’t have a humanist wedding and thus have to be married in a church, but also can’t be married in a church if you are gay, then how do LGBTQ+ people get married? I’m interested in this subject as I’ve never heard of a humanist wedding or any of these issues.

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    Ron Harrell

    February 10, 2015 at 12:22 am

    here we go again — “look at the bible” the man said — why????? The bible was written by a bunch of old, dissatisfied men 100’s of years after the death of Jesus, and then re-interpreted by god knows how many people, and re written god knows how many times and people relly think it is a “true” document?????????????? Damn, are some people idiots !!!!

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    Ron Harrell

    February 10, 2015 at 12:25 am

    by the way —- who the hell married Adam & Eve???? seems to me they just lived and crewed and were into incest, if you read the BIBLE ???????

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    Brad Moyse

    February 10, 2015 at 2:12 am

    Look at Islam.

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    Jim Tree

    February 10, 2015 at 2:22 am

    Actually, it would be more like self-abuse since Eve was created from Adam’s rib.

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    Jonathan Alvarado

    February 10, 2015 at 5:00 am

    Well it’s hard to find articles or videos or stories about religious people, or anyone for that matter, who is just acting calmly. Negatively labeling an entire demographic based on limited knowledge of them sounds kinda narrow-minded to me.

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    Jonathan Alvarado

    February 10, 2015 at 5:07 am

    If I were to replace the word “Christian” in your comment with the word “Atheist”, then you would be spewing the same vitriol statement you believe Christians stand by. If y removed all the Christians in the world, would you suddenly no longer have hate and hateful acts?

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    Jonathan Alvarado

    February 10, 2015 at 5:22 am

    American ideals, and American foreign policy has been used to allow and justify terrible atrocities. As an American, is it my fault that other Americans did those things? I guess what I’m saying is that I hope you don’t think all Christians are ready to condone rape or murder or any other atrocity, that to a few uninformed Christians, seems religiously just. It’s a matter of misinterpretation. A lot of Christians I know actually have spent years fighting sex slavery, child slavery, and all manner of human oppression.

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    Jonathan Alvarado

    February 10, 2015 at 5:32 am

    I think if I replaced the word “Christian” in your reply with “Atheist”, then you would be spewing the same vitriol statement that you seem to believe all Christians stand by.

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    Jonathan Alvarado

    February 10, 2015 at 5:42 am

    I think the key words are “Polite” and “Angry.” Allows a reader to quickly stereotype and confidently make generalizations over two large groups. Efficiently sets up who’s the good guys and who’s the bad guys. No gray area. No need to comprehend other perspectives, to intelligently debate or question. And if you disagree with the story, then you’re disagreeing with team “Polite.” Very effective writing.

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    Blue M Perry

    February 10, 2015 at 9:32 am

    yes, but at least all we do is laugh at them or try to correct them. They have a tendency to tie non-believers to stakes and roast them alive.

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    Nicm

    February 10, 2015 at 9:01 pm

    He doesn’t. Do you believe his opposition to humanism should matter in the debate they are having? If you do, that’s a problem. The idea that his vile opinion should have any bearing on the rights of a minority to function in the modern world is sickening.

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    Shlarg Gregory

    February 12, 2015 at 6:29 pm

    The views espoused by the Christian fundamentalist would be enough to get him elected to Congress here in the U.S. and probably get him appointed to the head of a science committee .

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    Jonathan Alvarado

    February 14, 2015 at 1:52 pm

    Christians haven’t burned anyone at the stake in several hundred years. And i think that was mostly Catholics. Before that it was the Christians themselves getting burned alive. But again, long time ago.

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