Conspiracy Theories

Back in 2007 the makers of ‘Loose Change’ got completely destroyed in a debate, and no one noticed

Remember the movie Loose Change? There wouldn’t be a “9/11 Truth” movement without it. Now, remember the movie’s cocky creators Dylan Avery and Jason Bermas? Well get ready because you’re about to see the most epic smackdown of these two numbskulls ever caught on video.

If you’ve ever seen Bermas and Avery debate the folks from Popular Mechanics (and you’re not a 9/11 truther), you were probably left wanting to rip your eyes out. In that debate, they were arrogant, rude, and outright incoherent. The problem was that the two gentleman from PM, although they came well prepared, didn’t directly attack the inconsistencies of the Loose Change creators’ theories.

But back in 2007, Bermas and Avery made a little-known appearance on a public cable-access show called Hardfire and squared off against 9/11 truth debunker Mark Roberts.

The film’s creators were completely unprepared for the debate, and they both directly acknowledged that the film contained errors when Roberts eloquently dismantled them piece by piece. Bermas did most of the talking on the conspiracy side, but it was clear that he was still in over his head.

There are two parts to the debate. Part 1 is below and part 2 can be seen here.

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  1. Jim S

    December 21, 2013 at 6:33 pm

    I STILL think it was an inside job! Cheney and Bush and their minions knew no shame. Buildings don’t fall straight down and how in the hell did that building that never got hit was brought straight down by design without charges being strategically set in advance? Hmmmm? You will NEVER convince me otherwise.

  2. Jim S

    December 21, 2013 at 6:45 pm

    Roberts is an idiot. I am a pilot. No matter how fast or at what angle an aircraft hits the ground, the wings, horizontal stab, etc are ripped off and therefore LARGE pieces of aircraft are present. There was next to nothing at the Pennsylvania crash site.

  3. Jim S

    December 21, 2013 at 6:47 pm

    I wonder how much the right wingers (koch brothers anyone) paid Roberts?

  4. Contrararian

    December 23, 2013 at 9:41 am

    Like the large pieces of debris that were found at the crash site? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_Airlines_Flight_93

  5. Steve Pipenger

    December 27, 2013 at 8:31 am

    I don’t see this as any great debunking of loose change at all. The NIST report was a joke, as the Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth group has stated.

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  7. xander

    June 27, 2014 at 6:43 pm

    Statements like “You will NEVER convince me otherwise” are a sure sign of incorrigible idiocy. You’ve left no option to change your mind, which means you don’t care about evidence or reasoning… which means no one should ever listen to you about anything. I do believe the most probable explanation, the so-called “official story.” But I will change my mind if someone presents evidence and sound reasoning that makes another story more probable. Probability is not determined by how emotional you’ve been manipulated into feeling about something. We can apply basic concepts, like Occam’s Razor, Bayesian analysis, and basic logic. The alternative stories present more inconsistencies and complications than the official story, It doesn’t take a lot of deep thinking to realize this. Just step away from the Soviet propaganda (infowars, loose change, etc etc etc) and sooner or later, you’ll wake up to the plain, honest, and rather unexciting reality of things. You always know an ignoramus because they imagine things to be much more like the movies than they really are.

  8. xander

    June 27, 2014 at 6:46 pm

    Seriously, these “truthers” don’t spend much time checking to see if the bill of goods sold to them by these internet documentaries actually stand up to the facts…

  9. xander

    June 27, 2014 at 6:47 pm

    You don’t see it? Who cares if you don’t see it? Every key point that should cause a person to believe in such a conspiracy is contradicted by actual facts and sound reasoning. You can not see it all you want, it doesn’t change reality.

  10. xander

    June 27, 2014 at 6:48 pm

    Statements like “You will NEVER convince me otherwise” are a sure sign of incorrigible idiocy. You’ve left no option to change your mind, which means you don’t care about evidence or reasoning… which means no one should ever listen to you about anything. I do believe the most probable explanation, the so-called “official story.” But I will change my mind if someone presents evidence and sound reasoning that makes another story more probable. Probability is not determined by how emotional you’ve been manipulated into feeling about something. We can apply basic concepts, like Occam’s Razor, Bayesian analysis, and basic logic. The alternative stories present more inconsistencies and complications than the official story, It doesn’t take a lot of deep thinking to realize this. Just step away from the Soviet propaganda (infowars, loose change, etc etc etc) and sooner or later, you’ll wake up to the plain, honest, and rather unexciting reality of things. You always know an ignoramus because they imagine things to be much more like the movies than they really are.

  11. John Michael Washe

    December 26, 2014 at 5:15 am

    “I believe in evidence. I believe in observation, measurement, and reasoning, confirmed by independent observers. I’ll believe anything, no matter how wild and ridiculous, if there is evidence for it. The wilder and more ridiculous something is, however, the firmer and more solid the evidence will have to be.” – Isaac Asimov

  12. David Kempton

    December 26, 2014 at 4:24 pm

    Actually, they are also a sign that there is no further evidence necessary. It has been pretty well established that NO building will just – fall down perfectly straightly and evenly – after making an audible series of loud ‘crack’ sounds caught on tape (or, I suppose, they COULD have been edited in by some ‘truther,’)

    That simply will not happen. Explain these three buildings in a way that makes sense to the professionals (Architects and Engineers etc.) Gravity and poor design won’t cut it, and no plane hit the third building (though one plane from Boston was grounded before it took off, implying perhaps they were the third (fourth? fifth? counting the Penn and DC planes) suicide aircraft…)

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