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Watch this guy destroy the ‘undying moronic jet fuel argument’ of 9/11 truthers

“Jet Fuel Can’t Melt Steel Beams” is an assertion made by 9/11 truther conspiracy theorists which claims that burning fuel from crashed planes would not have been able to melt the supporting beams of the World Trade Center, ultimately leading the Twin Towers to crumble. The claim has been widely debunked by researchers for its flawed evidence.

“Jet fuel can’t melt steel beams” is an assertion made by 9/11 conspiracy theorists which claims that burning fuel from crashed planes would not have been able to melt the supporting beams of the World Trade Center, ultimately leading the Twin Towers to crumble. The claim has been widely debunked by researchers for its flawed evidence.

This week, a video popped up on Reddit from the YouTube account purgatoryironworks, where a man gives a simple yet conclusive demonstration of why the 9/11 truthers’ favorite argument that says, ‘Jet fuel only burns at 1,500 degrees, and since steel melts at 2,700 degrees, 9/11 was a conspiracy’ is silly on its face.

Also read: When researchers trolled conspiracy nuts with random false info, they bought it every time

Using a piece of structural-grade steel, a 250-pound anvil, and a burning furnace, he makes his point beautifully.

Watch:

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  1. warriorhawkwolf

    December 16, 2015 at 9:10 am

    this proves nothing. the buildings did not bend at ground level. the entire buildings, including the one that came down after 5pm on the other side of the complex and it was never hit, were controlled demolitions. anyone who has seen a controlled demolition in person or on TV has seen how they collapse in their own footprint, just as all 3 buildings that came down on 9-11. and besides when steel gets hot enough to bend, it often takes weeks for buildings that size to come down in pieces, not instantly as 9-11 did. and 9-11 were implosions and not explosions, then went inward and not outward, as would be expected provided the building exploded from the plane crashes. also building #2 came down 57 minutes after being hit-before building #1 that was hit and it totally collapsed in less than 15 seconds. Think sheeple ! melting/burning steel takes weeks and it would not come down clean as the buildings did on 9-11.

  2. Jacob Svetlik

    December 16, 2015 at 9:24 am

    Yeah the man in the video is a terrorist

  3. foo@bar.com

    December 16, 2015 at 9:28 am

    The stupid is strong in this one

  4. Chuck Atkins

    December 16, 2015 at 9:32 am

    IT’S easier to fool a fool than to convince him he has been fooled!

  5. Jim Nation

    December 16, 2015 at 9:35 am

    Every time someone says ‘sheeple’, a moron gets his propeller beanie.

  6. BadassBones

    December 16, 2015 at 9:36 am

    Warriorhawkwolf, you are right! Controlled demos look exactly the same and some of these buildings weren’t even hit! If you look at photos of the main steel beams that were severed, they were finely and evenly cut in a beautiful diagonal direction, like controlled demos, causing the the building to slide off of its supports and crumble in its footprint. Planes and jet fuel would not do a flawless job like that, especially on the buildings that weren’t even hit. If you still believe everything this country tells you, you are truly a sheep.

  7. Mike Trower

    December 16, 2015 at 9:50 am

    Lol! Derp.

  8. Chris Lagemann

    December 16, 2015 at 9:53 am

    It’s amazing how when the truth smacks the conspiracy wingnuts right in the face they still don’t believe it. They live for this crap because they’ve got nothing better to do.

  9. george e martinez

    December 16, 2015 at 9:56 am

    iwarrior is right the lower levels would have held the buildings up even if the beams on top got hot. the lower levels below were 70 or eighty floors that were not damadged so they would have supported the uper floors even if they collapsed. it would not have iploded like it did that fast. thats a lot of steel to collapse. your test is faulty and is rediculous. nive try but it only made me think even more about how it is very possible that it was a conspiracy by the gov. to invade iraq and control their oil.

  10. Michael Doyle

    December 16, 2015 at 9:59 am

    The WTC buildings were not constructed using steel support beams. They used a central core support and trellises to support the floors due to the desire for the floors to be “Column free.”

  11. irastaron

    December 16, 2015 at 10:03 am

    LOLLLLLLLLLLLLL

  12. Jarhead6541

    December 16, 2015 at 10:11 am

    Nope.

  13. irastaron

    December 16, 2015 at 10:14 am

    Excellently put.

    If this was such an conspiracy which could obviously be exposed, it would have by now. But every time some conspiracy pops up (by the same people who said we never went to the moon), said conspiracies are SOUNDLY rebutted by the technical people in those fields.

    The dude is correct. Get a job!

  14. Tyler Scott Vert

    December 16, 2015 at 10:26 am

    You are legit the definition of Cancer to Society.

  15. Om Randje

    December 16, 2015 at 10:51 am

    Quite right. You cannot dissolve a mountain of concrete and steel–which is what happened–by ramming hollow aluminum cylinders (airplanes) into them. Explosions occurred–we can hear them on the videos that day–at ground level that weakened the foundation. Resident so f the building are on record as explaining that floors were sealed off weeks before the attack, and heavy machinery and material was heard being brought into the building. A lot of it. So it was an “inside job” in more ways than one. But it pleases the ignorant ego of rednecks like this scratch piteously at the door of intelligence, because their invitation got lost in the mail.

  16. nope2545

    December 16, 2015 at 10:51 am

    This is a perfect parody of what truthers say! Well done.

  17. day knight

    December 16, 2015 at 10:53 am

    If you’d ever actually seen a controlled demolition you’d know that it doesn’t occur top-down.

  18. Jason

    December 16, 2015 at 1:10 pm

    The live on air statement by the highest ranking member of the fire Department to enter the tower is the final word. “..there are many secondary devices giving off smoke and possibly explosions they are planted all throughout the Towers.. a lot of smoke”. A trained eyewitness a professional spoke those words on camera just minutes before the first two towers were blown up. They blew up the third one later…much later.

  19. Jai John Mitchell

    December 16, 2015 at 1:13 pm

    Molten steel was found at the site and in the dust from the collapse.

    The Deutsche Bank building, right next to the Twin Towers, was heavily contaminated by dust produced by the collapse. But Deutsche Bank’s insurance company refused to pay for the clean-up, claiming that this dust had not resulted from the destruction of the WTC. So Deutsche Bank hired the RJ Lee Group to do a study, which showed that the dust in the Deutsche Bank was WTC dust,

    -The RJ Lee study also found that temperatures had been reached “at which lead would have undergone vaporization”– meaning 1,749°C (3,180°F).

    -A team of Danish scientists led by Dr. Niels Harrit (Columbia University, University of Copenhagen), also analyzed the WTC dust and had findings identical to those of RJ Lee.

    https://m.facebook.com/page/about.php?id=234626239922521&expand_all=1

    So, this guy is simply using what is called a “straw man” argument”

    A straw man is a common form of argument and is an informal fallacy based on giving the impression of refuting an opponent’s argument, while actually refuting an argument which was not advanced by that opponent.

  20. Grandma Caesar

    December 16, 2015 at 1:37 pm

    Pull your head out of your god-box and use your brain.

    The twin towers exploded from top to bottom, and turned to dust as they fell.

    1360+ feet tall, and they both fell in about ten seconds. That’s 93 mph. Complete destruction of both towers and everything and everyone in them, from top to bottom, at 93 mph.

    There are no pics of “110 collapsed floors”. There should be lots of pictures and videos showing two piles. There are none. Because they didn’t collapse…they exploded, then turned to dust in mid-air.

    https://youtu.be/uRshsdE0Vjo

    You can see long trails extending upward off of all the pieces as they fall.

    https://youtu.be/dueVm1UGvXo

    That’s not smoke. That’s not ash. That’s the building and all its contents, pulverized.

    https://youtu.be/3fWFImU5lcY

    There were no piles of 110 pancaked floors afterwards. (Should’ve been two piles.)

    https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/d/d1/WTCgroundzero.jpg

    The next morning on ABC Peter Jennings asked George Stephanopoulos what happened to all the debris. He claimed he was told by a volunteer (“Robert Gurlinsky”) the buildings “simply fell down into the ground and were pulverized-evaporated.”

    https://youtu.be/GdBQOe85i3M

    Two 110 story buildings—“pulverized-evaporated”—“simply”.

    Everything—the buildings and all their contents—“vaporized”.

    https://youtu.be/QnnXTrw88P4?t=4m13s

    Vaporize – to convert into a gaseous state.

    Everyone reading this has the ability to operate a computer and navigate the internet. I don’t think anyone reading this is stupid. But if you think the top twenty stories of two 110-story buildings can vaporize the lower 90 stories (and all their contents), then vaporize themselves (and all their contents), then you are a full-blown brain-dead retard, incapable of operating a spoon, and you should consider getting neutered so as to not reproduce.

    I don’t know how the buildings were turned to dust. What matters is that We The People are being lied to.

  21. Patricia Harvey

    December 16, 2015 at 1:44 pm

    Yup! You will always find someone trying to prove a moot point instead of looking at the weight of evidence.

  22. Patricia Harvey

    December 16, 2015 at 1:57 pm

    Calling people names does not refute their argument; neither does it enhance yours. it is a fallacy of argument called ARGUMENTUM AD HOMINEM. In other words you admit the other person’s argument has worth and yours does not. Buildings built to withstand earthquakes and other disasters, and which has sustained some hits before cannot be brought down in the manner they were.purported to be. It was just too graceful. And what about those OLDER buildings in a narrow street behind the buildings that did NOT fall. An explosion should at least have damaged them.
    If you have to go to all sorts of strange lengths to discredit on point of argument, and fail, then your house of cards has collapsed. Those who are called conspiracy theorists are simply right.

  23. Andy

    December 16, 2015 at 1:58 pm

    If I can help just one idiot on here realize they are wrong it’s worth this post. I’m an engineer and studied this in college. The steel got hot and warped causing the bolts holding the floor trusses to shear. Upon the floor collapse all the weight of the upper part of the building came down on each lower floor causing each floor structure to fail and thus it all came down. This is not a set of legos. On that scale there is more than enough force available to crush the lower floors.

  24. random mouse (@anoynamouse)

    December 16, 2015 at 2:18 pm

    I love to read retards like this. Residents of the building never said such a thing. Regardless guys like this never do take into the reality of humans. It would in fact take dozen and dozens of people taking weeks to setup such an explosion. How do you keep that under wraps? You don’t. See what these idiots tend not to remember is that we are a society of humans. There are hundreds of people that come into contact with the operation and maintenance of a building. So in your “world” and “theory” the people who maintain and work in that building wouldn’t have stories of secretive men dark sunglasses running around? Or facility managers who were not allowed on the own floors? Or they all secretly disappeared so they wouldn’t talk?

    You have simply watched to much James Bond where he gets to put on a red jacket and bow tie and serve food to dignitaries w/o the other caterers and managers knowing something is wrong.

    Please quit showing how ignorant you are with how the world works in an attempt to put your twisted narrative into production. Also…when you claim that one building was controlled then they all were, right? Yeah you just multiplied 10 fold how many people had to be fooled, how many people had to be involved and how many secrets have to go untold. You are stupid and you don’t understand how humans work.

    Now lets not even get into the theory of why.

    Just because your little brain doesn’t understand the physics that make things happen and you tin cap keeps your from relying on the experts for facts doesn’t mean we have to digest your bullshit.

    Why am I hear preaching to an idiot?

    Because hopefully there are people on the fence reading this crap you write and seeing my comments and saying “yea that other guy makes more sense”. How do i know? My dad one one of these dumb asses until I sat down and showed him how tortured and stupid his brain was by digesting shit like you ooze out of your body.

    Peace!

  25. Patricia Harvey

    December 16, 2015 at 2:19 pm

    If the floors were column free, then why the experiment to prove that columns melt in jet fuel? Isn’t that cutting the limb on which you sit?

  26. archiemoore

    December 16, 2015 at 2:39 pm

    We need Mythbusters to rebuild the WTC buildings and fly a plane into to once and for all bust, plausible or confirm this myth.

  27. smokeybehr

    December 16, 2015 at 3:08 pm

    Looks like we found another of the idiots that he was talking about.

  28. Ed

    December 16, 2015 at 3:16 pm

    Jet fuel also does not melt fireproof passports found in the street. Maybe one of the “hijackers” opened the plane window and threw it out?

  29. Jack

    December 16, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    “Jet fuel burns at 1500 degrees, so I heated this steel bar up to around 1800 degrees.” WTF?

  30. Patolucas

    December 16, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    Why does the rod disappear from his hand at 1:40 one second it is in his hand the next he is picking it up???

  31. OFFICIAL_ILLUMINATI

    December 16, 2015 at 3:23 pm

    I see quite a few of you haven’t heeded that suggestion to get a job…

  32. Travis Macmanus Shc

    December 16, 2015 at 3:48 pm

    So much wrong with your post I do t really know where to start. First, co trolled demolition does not look like that generally, but even if it did what’s your point? The buildings fell toward path of least resistance, what would you expect them to look like? Falling sideways? Please.
    The photos of the “evenly cut” still beams were taken afterwards, as recovery crews were cutting them to make them easier to move. If you look at the unaltered pics, there’s even a gun with a freaking torch standing next to them for crying out loud!
    And in its own footprint ??? Come on, the debris and wreackage damaged multiple buildings and covered entire city blocks. That’s what you consider a footprint????
    I’m revoking your access to the internet.

  33. Travis Macmanus Shc

    December 16, 2015 at 3:51 pm

    ANOTHER CONSPIRACY!!!! LOL

  34. OldMikeG

    December 16, 2015 at 3:52 pm

    Has there ever been a controlled demo of a building that size and of that composition? I thought not. Please take your suppositions as to what should have happened and put your mind on Occam’s Razor. How much simple an answer is it that the buildings collapsed under it’s own weight after the structural integrity had been compromised? On the other hand, why are you sitting there, behind a computer screen, waiting for the black helicopters to show up? I mean if you *are* right, then the highest officials in our government conspired to kill thousands of Americans, cripple our heads of state (if it were not for a heroic few on flight 93) and topple our military in one stroke, allowing them to impose martial law and perpetuate unending wars that end mankind. Why aren’t you hiding?

  35. Eli Bowen

    December 16, 2015 at 4:00 pm

    What happened to the CORE of the twin towers?
    Even if the floors fell and pancaked on top of each other all the way down, why was there nothing left of the CORE?
    http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/arch/core.html

  36. Mitchell Hyde

    December 16, 2015 at 4:14 pm

    Damn………….seeing there are no videos to watch, I assume the stupidity of the ignorant removed them. Now, can we get a video showing how a jet plane can cut through a building like a hot knife through butter, as it did with the wings of the planes entering the twin towers, but yet, the wings seem to have disintegrated at the Pentagon……… guess it matters which story you need to fit the bullshit.

  37. Martin Wagner

    December 16, 2015 at 4:15 pm

    Oh, you actually used the word “sheeple.” The line for the clown car starts at the back.

  38. Mitchell Hyde

    December 16, 2015 at 4:16 pm

    I think I know this guy……………….is his name GENE YES??

  39. David Viaene

    December 16, 2015 at 4:37 pm

    Perhaps rewatch his video? He starts out by claiming that he is not here to argue the merits of 9/11 conspiracy theories. He is just here to show that one of the lies conspiracy theorists tell is (that the jet fuel melted the metal support beams) is a load of bull. He does that well.

  40. Ken

    December 16, 2015 at 4:46 pm

    If there are any sheeple in the house, surely they are the so-called, “Truthers.”

    I’m an engineer. Your statements above are almost completely incorrect. I’m not part of the government or any cover-up or conspiracy. I just know that it’s time for you to move on to a new outrage.

  41. Grandma Caesar

    December 16, 2015 at 5:05 pm

    The twin towers didn’t collapse. Watch the videos in my earlier comment, and look at the end result. There are no “collapsed floors”. According to the story we are told by the media, the buildings vaporized. VAPORIZED. TURNED INTO A GAS.

    Besides all that, basic laws of physics don’t allow 20 floors to crush 90 floors. Whatever clown college you went to shouldn’t have allowed you to pass.

  42. Grandma Caesar

    December 16, 2015 at 5:07 pm

    Just because our “classic” knowledge of controlled demolition is bottom up, doesn’t mean that’s the only method. There’s more than one way to skin a cat.

  43. wingstwospirit

    December 16, 2015 at 5:17 pm

    Aw I thought he was actually gonna debunk it, but he still didn’t address why there was molten steel at the site. That’s what the conspiracy focuses on as the weird thing.

  44. Michelle Wehner

    December 16, 2015 at 5:28 pm

    First to the author: How do you explain the free-fall drop of WTC-7 – the third tower that fell at free-fall @ 5:30ish pm on September 11th?

    Architects and Engineers for 911 Truth may shed some light on that. http://www.ae911truth.org/

    Next, my debunking: The structural steel bar he used (the second one) was in a forge. Completely different than an open kerosene fire – it’s not comparable. As a potter I work with kilns, I understand the difference between enclosed heating vs an open air fire. Add to that, NIST openly agrees that the kerosene from the plane strikes was burned out within seconds, and was unlikely to be the cause of the towers coming down. So who is he really debating?

    A classic example of Cognitive Dissonance.

  45. Michelle Wehner

    December 16, 2015 at 5:30 pm

    False: there are two types of CD: Bottom up (most commonly used), and top-down. Research CD before making a false statement.

  46. Matthew

    December 16, 2015 at 6:07 pm

    I too am a blacksmith and this guy didn’t address the question at hand.
    I beams would not have been exposed to a forge like heat.
    No way at all.

  47. Jesse S

    December 16, 2015 at 6:52 pm

    Ok I am not a huge conspiracy guy far from it, I do have a good amount of knowledge about metal. My family owned a metal coating business I’ve been thought about properties of metal since I was a kid. As shown in the video the metal is softened enough to very easily bend. Which yeah could make a building fall I suppose if it were exposed at the 1500 degree for long enough. Again not pushing conspiracy here just facts but how is it that large pools of molton steel were found days after by a ton of the fire fighters ? This is a real question if the guy who made the video is reading comments I’d like a logical answer since everyone is an idiot?

  48. Pup

    December 16, 2015 at 6:54 pm

    This is not a great response. If the 10’s of thousands of tons of the top 20 floors can crush 1 floor, then the floor beneath that is being crushed by 21 floors, not 20. So it’s perfectly natural to assume that the free-falling mass would 1) keep increasing in mass and speed and 2) adding to itself faster and faster.

  49. Michael Asbury

    December 16, 2015 at 7:19 pm

    when he said you’re an Idiot. he was talking to you. just because you didn’t hear your name…

  50. Johnny D

    December 16, 2015 at 7:36 pm

    Did they or did they not find Thermite?

  51. Patsy Stone

    December 16, 2015 at 7:49 pm

    I’m not on anyone’s side in this, but you are 100% wrong. I don’t know where you got that nonsense from. I’m have lived in NYC all my life. I’ve been on those narrow streets behind and in front of the buildings. There were buildings that were severely damaged. One of them being the 39 story Deutsche Bank Building. It was so damaged the entire building had to be sealed up and then dismantled. And none of these buildings were built to withstand earthquakes or other disasters. Here are some other buildings that were also damaged during the terrorist attacks: 1 Liberty Plaza, 3 World Financial Center , 2 World Financial Center, 1 World Financial Center, 4 World Financial Center, N.Y. Telephone Building, 90 West Street , Winter Garden of WFC, Millennium Hilton, Federal Bldg (90 Church Street), Century 21 Dept Store, Fiterman Hall (took 11 yrs to repair) and the Post Office across street from WTCs. There were many, many more, I just don’t know the building’s names

  52. Patsy Stone

    December 16, 2015 at 8:03 pm

    There were no piles of 110 pancaked floors afterwards. (Should’ve been two piles)

    You obviously have never been to the World Trade Centers before 9/11 or knew how close they were to each other. Give up the two pile nonsense. Every floor of each tower was an entire acre). There physically wasn’t enough room for two distinct piles to form. That was 220 acres worth of building materials in a small area

  53. catwoman

    December 16, 2015 at 8:04 pm

    Bless his heart. He is so earnest in his ignorance. I guess that demo is the last word on it. Cause he looks like an expert to me.

  54. catwoman

    December 16, 2015 at 8:07 pm

    I agree with you. There is no collapse just vaporizing material. Whatever happened wasn’t from the jet fuel.

  55. Boothby171

    December 16, 2015 at 8:11 pm

    I’ll be brief and too the point, WHW. Are you an engineer? Mechanical? Structural? Civil? Are you a licensed engineer? Were you at the site? Did you WALK the site?

    I am. I am a licensed mechanical engineer. I’ve designed buildings, and I’ve also designed many HUGE moving structures. I’ve won international awards for my work. I went to the WTC site within a week of its collapse, and worked with my firm and the Federal government to help keep the recovery crews safe.

    Did you? I’m going to bet…no. No, you did not.

    I saw the destruction first hand. I saw the SCATTERED wreckage from the two main towers that took out large chunks of adjacent buildings (the American Express building IIRC, and–even though it messes with part of your conspiracy theory–Building 7).

    I walked down a set of hastily constructed wooden stairs that led to the Chamber Street subway station, where I saw steel I-beams that had fallen from possibly a thousand or more feet up, and had pieced through asphalt and concrete and over 30 feet of hard-packed soil to collapse the tunnel a few hundred feet on either side of the platform I was standing on.

    It was hard enough for people, like myself, with years of training and experience, in this very subject, to comprehend what was right in front of us. Someone without the knowledge and experience–I don’t care HOW smart you are in your chosen field(s)–comprehending what went on there is a very difficult task.

    I have to assume that there’s something in the way some of us are wired that we take comfort in these conspiracy theories. And from almost a decade and a half of experience, I know better than to try and spend any more time than I already have to try and convince you that your conspiracy theories are wrong.

    But they are.

    BTW, your claim that “when steel gets hot enough to bend, it often takes weeks for buildings that size to come down in pieces” is wholly unsupported by knowledge, fact, or theory. I have no idea where you got it from, but it makes no sense.

  56. clevrboy

    December 16, 2015 at 8:39 pm

    This guy is a retard. Literally doesn’t work that way. How can a blast of jet fuel melts thousands of steel beams, hundreds of stories down… what maintained the heat… after a few minutes the steel would cool. like people please think about this lol this guy is not a scientist.

  57. Boothby171

    December 16, 2015 at 8:42 pm

    Grandma,

    I know the argument you are raising. I’ve heard it before. I’ve heard it, in various forms, for almost 15 years.

    You’re talking about “Directed Energy Weapons.”

    I’ve chased that rabbit down it’s many holes for many years.

    It’s bullshit. And you’re insane.

    As I mentioned previously, I walked the site as a member of the engineering recovery team within a week of the attacks. It was not just “dust.” It was not just “ash.” There were steel beans and sheets of the exterior walls that had fallen and knifed into the ground. There were chunks of floor slabs all over the debris field. We had to make sure that the excavation equipment didn’t break through the slabs as they tried to reach interior areas.

    I’ve heard all the claims of these “energy beam” weapons, and I’ve chased them down. Weapons that were turned on before they had been properly targeted, setting fire to parking lots on such-and-such a street. I drove past those parking lots on my way to the site–no such destruction existed. The claims are all a bunch of BS.

  58. Boothby171

    December 16, 2015 at 8:45 pm

    Grandma, pray tell me–what college did YOU go to? What degrees do YOU have? Physics? Mechanical Engineering? Structural Engineering? Got any Professional Engineering licenses? Got any huge structures you designed that you’re especially proud of?

    I’ll wait.

  59. Un-Zen

    December 16, 2015 at 9:24 pm

    So .. how long did the metal rod sit in the furnace? Try splashing a steel I beam in jet fuel for a few minutes, then try to bend it. Good luck with that. Not a frigging chance. The amount of fuel in no way could have melted all the way to the bottom of the 100 story building and melted every single beam to the point of failure. Give your head a shake. Not even in the same general perspective. Waste of time watching and responding.

  60. MrPeach

    December 16, 2015 at 9:31 pm

    They bent where they melted, asshole. God you are stupid.

  61. ManThatsADumbMan

    December 16, 2015 at 9:43 pm

    Tower didn’t bend, it imploded at the speed of free fall. This emotional little bitch didn’t disprove anything. If anything, he proved that a molten hot steel beam should still be able to support vertical forces.

  62. Boothby171

    December 16, 2015 at 9:45 pm

    The whole “melted” aspect is the straw man argument. “Melted” indicates a change of state–from solid to liquid. The beams did not have to melt to lose strength. When they get very hot (hot enough to glow, but STILL not actually melting) their strength (how much force, or alternatively, how much STRESS they can take before deforming) drops way low. As the guy in the video shows, steel that is hot enough to be cherry red and weakened to the point where he can bend it with a pinkie, is still in its SOLID (not liquid) state.

  63. Rick Wright

    December 16, 2015 at 11:10 pm

    Sorry bullshit! I may not believe in the 911 demolition, or I may…irrelevant. This demo assumes all beams where heated to the point of failure. Look at WTC blueprints, the jet fuel would have to had applied equal temperatures to every beam, support, truss. This is bunk on any level and an insult to the intelligent. I saw the second plane hit, I remember it completely. Now, for two mega structures to fall precisely in the same fashion and completely…No sorry physics and structural design were classes I did not fail. I love how this iron worker pulled off a high quality scripted production too.. I mark you easily led.

  64. Rick Wright

    December 16, 2015 at 11:18 pm

    I just spit Milk…holy shit that was funny.

  65. Dennis Spain

    December 16, 2015 at 11:33 pm

    The jet fuel exploded and dissipated rather quickly. The condition on the floors that took the impact in no way resemble the conditions in the oxygen-fed forge in that metalworker’s workshop. Other high rise buildings have burned much longer and much more intensely without collapse. Both planes hit the buildings assymmetrically, yet they fell essentially straight down into their basement footprints. Many explosions were heard on lower levels. WTC 7 fell in an obviously controlled demolition only seven hours after the Twin Towers came down. Too many inconsistencies for this ‘non-expert’ to accept.

  66. Joh

    December 17, 2015 at 12:11 am

    Please provide us examples of other skyscrapers of comparable size—or even much smaller—that came down within hours of ignition as the WTC buildings did. Many skyscrapers have burned all day and all night and NEVER fallen.

  67. Dan Shramo

    December 17, 2015 at 12:25 am

    I must address your linguistic sleight of hand in calling into question “IF it was a conspiracy”. Regardless of ones belief about what happened that day the events leading up to it and the people involved were engaging in a conspiracy. So there’s really no possible way for what happened on that day to be anything BUT a conspiracy. And I’m not certain that your demonstration proves anything other than those buildings seemed to have some sort of help in their descent. Because if you watch the first tower begin to fall, it falls at an angle and then seems to correct itself in it’s descent. If what you are demonstrating here is what happened then wouldn’t those weakened beams have surrendered to the enormous weight that was pulling on them and went over sideways with the top of the building? How could they have realigned the top of that building so that it fell straight down? Watch the video and the top of that tower, it teeters at least 10 or 15 degrees to the left. The inertia of that alone should have continued to pull it to the side, right?

  68. John Mayer

    December 17, 2015 at 12:27 am

    So NIST would have us believe. Ignoring the fact that most of the jet fuel is shown in videos being burned away in the initial fireball, the warping you describe COULD happen from a prolonged, jet fuel fire. In that case one would anticipate the structure would fall in the direction of its weakness, where the breach and fire were. And one of the videos of one of the two towers DOES show the top stories beginning to sag toward the rupture, when suddenly those floors simply disintegrate. That can’t have been due to the weight of tens of stories above them. And if the floors had pancaked as you say, the resistance of each floor would have slowed that collapse to well below the speed with which the towers fell. And, as others have mentioned, you’d have a stack of all those floors minus the space between, not the mound of rubble about three stories high we see in the photos of the scene.

  69. Lee Perry

    December 17, 2015 at 12:58 am

    You’re doing an admirable job, putting up the good fight here, Boothby… but these people are simply morons who for some bizarre reason have made this a point of their very character. They define themselves by their ability to nitpick something with flawed data and feel like they’re outsmarting actual experts who devote their entire career to these studies.

    You could recreate the whole thing, fill it with cameras and perfectly repeat it, and they’re likely to blame Obama or something. They just barely intelligent enough to be sure they’re brilliant, yet not intelligent enough to realize they’re simply tools of trolls.

  70. Tom Schlapkohl

    December 17, 2015 at 1:58 am

    The buildings did not melt. They identically exploded into dust from the top down. Wonder how much this imitation cracker got paid by the CIA.

  71. David

    December 17, 2015 at 2:13 am

    THere’s nothing to “discredit”, they make idiotic claims that are totally unsupported, and in fact fly in the face of reason. You idiot truthers are gullible numpties. Grow the hell up already, and realise your fantasies don’t work in real life.

  72. Michael Vinson

    December 17, 2015 at 4:55 am

    During your inspection did you find any aircraft debris, engine parts or landing gear in particular?

  73. Philip Brown

    December 17, 2015 at 6:09 am

    YOU, my friend, are the f’ing idiot. There was no oven at ground zero. The steel at ground zero was certified to 2000 degrees by Underwriters Laboratory. Jet fuel burns at 1300 degrees. Yes, I would imagine thatr 1/2″ structural steel will get hot enough to burn …. if you put it in an oven and continue to add fuel to reach 1300 deerees and TO MAINTAIN IT FOR A LONG ENOUGH PERIOD OF TIME. The 1’2 in piece of steel you have was not subject to the sam conditions as the steel at round zero. HOEW LONG DID YOU HAVE THAT PIECE IN YOUR OVEN? YOU NEVER RVEALED THAT DID YOU? NO, BECAUSE THAT WOULD SHOW EVERYONE HOW IGNORANT YOU ARE. IF YOU WANT TO PROVE ANYTHING ABOUT THE STEEL AT GROUND ZERO, YOU NEED TO CREATE THE SAME EXACT CONDITIONS THAT WERE PRESENT ON 9/11 AT GROUND ZERO. YOU HAVE NOT DONE THAT. What you have in fact done is prove that you can melt steel in an oven if you add kerosene basrd je t fuel throughout the process as weelll as proving that you know nothin about conducting a scientific experiment, only that you are an idiotic fool with a furnace, a low IQ qnd too much time on your hands.

  74. Dan Shramo

    December 17, 2015 at 6:25 am

    What occurred on 9/11 was a conspiracy. By definition. Regardless of what narrative you subscribe to. I think it’s remarkably interesting that people insist that it’s completely impossible that a controlled demolition of any kind could have occurred because of the logistics. We seem to have all forgotten about the laboratory in Oak Ridge Tennessee in the 1940’s in which people/workers manufactured parts for nuclear weapons without any knowledge of doing so. It certainly stands to reason that it’s not outside the realm of possibility that “workers” were instructed to place explosives, or explosives masquerading as something else (again Oak Ridge and the useful idiots), in the buildings as part of either a “drill” or “test”. At the very least it seems just as plausible as the idea that 19 idiots with box cutters that couldn’t fly a Cessna prop plane were able to take over 4 747 jets with locked cockpits and occupy the most heavily guarded air space on the planet for over 45 minutes without being intercepted. 4 planes? One headed directly for the Pentagon? Seriously? And our government has kind of proven that life isn’t precious to them and everyone is expendable, especially those that pose threats, to them. Especially the military arm that Cheney ruled over. Conspiracy indeed. You said yourself you were there and you were unable to comprehend what happened. Well, then why are you so quick to insist that you do then? It’s one or the other, doc. There are useful idiots fnord everywhere.

  75. Dan Shramo

    December 17, 2015 at 6:34 am

    I think one of the biggest problems this country is facing is that it’s citizens are so concerned about making ends meet and “getting a job” and then keeping that job, that they aren’t really paying attention to what’s going on around them. And then by some beautiful coincidence this clown appears on the internet instructing people to essentially “shut up and go back to work”. Keep your head down, don’t ask questions, even when the answers we’ve been given make absolutely no sense, just get a job, Work, slave. Make that money, burn that oil, keep the gravy train rolling not for you though. Wave that flag…

  76. Dan Shramo

    December 17, 2015 at 6:36 am

    Let me guess, he’s dead now, right?

  77. Dan Shramo

    December 17, 2015 at 6:39 am

    She’s right, you know. Listen to your Grandma.

  78. Findley

    December 17, 2015 at 9:15 am

    Well said, and thank you. I don’t know how it could be made plainer, and yes, there are kooks in the world that can’t believe even what they watched happen in real time. Such kooks are my field.

  79. jimmy

    December 17, 2015 at 9:19 am

    I was a fuel specialist in the airforce 1 gallon of jet fuel has the destructive as 5.5 lbs of tnt

  80. Kevin

    December 17, 2015 at 10:00 am

    So who exactly planted all the explosives and why did nobody ask questions? Why have no insiders come forth? How do you plan something g like this and keep everyone quiet? What was the point of blowing up the WTC to begin with??

  81. TrueBeliever55

    December 17, 2015 at 11:34 am

    Guys, READ IT UP! It wasn’t the JET FUEL, it was the STUFF THEY USE FOR THE CHEMTRAILS and it burns at 3200 degrees! It is totally capable of melting steel and they load it to every single plane!

  82. tom

    December 17, 2015 at 11:45 am

    20 floors didn’t crush 90 floors. They crushed one floor — the 90th floor. Then there were 21 floors collapsing, crushing one floor — the 89th floor. Then 22 floors crushed the 88th floor. And so on, in a matter of seconds. I worked downtown and saw the site up close many times. Remember that the hollow basement went down several stories, and the debris pile was many stories high. Also remember that the volume of a building like that is primarily open air. The whole building didn’t “vaporize,” though a lot of it did, and there was plenty of room on the site to accommodate the rest.

  83. Boothby171

    December 17, 2015 at 2:28 pm

    Phil,

    “Certified by UL to 2000°”??? I’ve worked with steel for many. many years, and I don’t think you have the slightest idea what you’re talking about.

    If anything, UL certifies FIRE RESISTANT SYSTEMS for X numbers of hours at certain temperatures. They do not “certify steel.” In the US, ASTM has steel specifications, and various approved labs certify against the ASTM spec. UL is NOT one of those labs.

    Phil, what, may I ask, is your degree in? You do have an engineering degree, right? Or, at least, you work in a metallurgical lab or something along those lines? Anything? Throw me a bone, here.

    UL Fire Resistance spec:
    http://productspec.ul.com/document.php?id=BXUV.GuideInfo

  84. Boothby171

    December 17, 2015 at 3:43 pm

    Michael V,

    No, I did not find any airplane debris. To be honest, it was “out of my scope,” and I didn’t think to look. I’m sure all the “good pieces” were taken away by then. I will ask some of the other engineers I worked with back then if they recall having seen airplane parts (or parts of parts).

  85. Boothby171

    December 17, 2015 at 3:50 pm

    irastaron,

    I just realized something–I also worked for a while at Grumman Aerospace, in Bethpage, on Long Island. And while I did not work on the moon landing project, I did work with a number of guys who DID.

    I haven’t come across all too many “Moon Landing Hoax” conspiracy nutballs, but when I do, I am sure to set them straight.

    Oh, my goodness! What if I am a secret government plant, and I don’t even know it!?! What if I have deep, deep, subconscious implants that trigger me to call “truthers” and the like out whenever I come across them, and feed everyone the official government “story”?!?

    I am ruined! My life is a sham! Who am I? Everything I know is a lie!

    Nah. I’m just shittin’ ya. Not about the engineering stuff, and walking the WTC site, and not about the Grumman stuff (all that is really true), but about those “secret government implants.” I’m just kidding around.

    Or AM I?!?

  86. not not dov zokheim

    December 17, 2015 at 6:32 pm

    whereas here is a very recent study, still in progress, by a well-respected, certified, academic and civil engineer, Chair of major university Civil Engineering Dept, who is making all data available to the public and presenting it to audiences of engineers, that finds the official explanation impossible, but that picture in a newspaper is definitely more compelling analysis https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YDDXZt_9Nac

  87. Michael Vinson

    December 17, 2015 at 7:54 pm

    Under pressure in a contained space, maybe. But that’s also explosive force, not burning temperature. Big difference.

  88. Alsadius

    December 17, 2015 at 8:38 pm

    I’ve seen controlled demolitions before – used to watch a ton of TV shows on the topic, and I’ve been to a few in person. You always hear about WTC 1 and 2(the Twin Towers) and WTC7. You never hear about WTC3, 4, 5, or 6. All four of them were flattened by falling bits of the Twin Towers. Controlled demolitions don’t level all surrounding buildings with their debris. Controlled demolitions also fall cleanly straight down. They sure don’t keel over to the side like this: http://911truthaustralia.com/images/911wtc%20pic14.jpg

    Also, can you name a single example of a building that took weeks to come down because its structural steel was at 1500 degrees?

  89. Boothby171

    December 17, 2015 at 10:23 pm

    Thank you, TrueBeliever55, I think you may have won the Internets for the day.

  90. Boothby171

    December 17, 2015 at 10:30 pm

    BTW, for those of you who are actually trying to understand what the video is talking about, you don’t need to bring steel to 1300°F, or 1500°F.

    In some cases, bringing it to 500°C (1022°F) would be sufficient. At that temperature, the strength of the stel is reduced to 60% of it’s original strength. If you’ve designed the building to a 70% Unity value, you’ve just gone BELOW any possible allowable strength, and your steel will begin to yield, and–in general–fail. And your building will run the risk of collapse.

    http://www.steelconstruction.info/Fire_damage_assessment_of_hot_rolled_structural_steelwork

    (according to that article, steel’s strength starts to head south at 300°C / 572°F !!)

  91. bascoda

    December 18, 2015 at 5:35 pm

    Show me a statement by any one of the following people speaking in their professional capacity – they all specialize in the use of explosives to drop multi-story buildings and other structures – that these were controlled demolitions, and I might begin to consider that your opinions have some validity. From Controlled Demolitions, Inc.: Jack, Mark, Doug or Stacey Louiseaux. From Dykon Explosive Demolition Corp.: Jim or Jared Redyke.
    There are others, but these are considered the best in their field in this country.

  92. Some Guy

    December 23, 2015 at 12:55 pm

    He does not show that burning jet fuel CAN melt steel beams (which it kind of sounded like at first). He demonstrates a familiar fact: Hot steel loses almost all of its strength far below its melting point. THEREFORE a fire causing structural steel to collapse is not inconceivable (as some might claim), but likely. (Many flat roof I-beams have totally collapsed from WOOD floors burning below them.) This demo could be mistaken for a “straw man” rebuttal, disproving something that isn’t much claimed. I don’t see any “truthers” still claiming that WTC 1 and 2 could not have collapsed because the fire was not hot enough to melt steel; maybe was unfortunate to meet many of them. So this demo only debunks the stupidest of “truthers”. Also, it does not address the appearance of something that looked like glowing molten steel dripping (caught on video before the collapse), which is the other claim of steel melting.

  93. Walt Stawicki

    December 26, 2015 at 3:38 pm

    they tried, and tried and tried. finally doors started locking when they came in sight. eventually a small .001 amp light went on…

  94. Walt Stawicki

    December 26, 2015 at 3:44 pm

    you dont see any claiming it because as each stupid gets called, they move the argument.

  95. Walt Stawicki

    December 26, 2015 at 4:05 pm

    ???to what end
    ? of course the wto is coming to round us up. I ask this – any power that can do the above, what more are they waiting for? this is the eternal “jesus is going to return”that was 170 years stale by 9-11.

    but lets look at the big operational overview for a successfull conspiracy. any weak link busts the chain. People who don’t know what they are doing set all the stuff in there. trucks load materials and know what they are but not the destination. trucks are driven but they dont know whats in them, just the destination, maybe one guy picks up, and a different guy delivers so no delivery man knows the load is from acme explosives hoboken. Some one unloads, someone distributes, experts in the field set it all in place. these people are all ignorant or in on it. After the deede, all the evidence has to be disposed, so they hurry up and cart it off so no one gets suspicious about why its getting carted off. Then we get the photoshop and fake and all the not by planes but by field forces, not tensors, not vectors, but non dimensional…whast a crock a name I can’t even keep it in mind. and these fictitious fileds are concentrated and bring down buildings. these weapons are built, set up, operated and discretely taken away by unknowing persons and “in on it persons.

    then no one says “hey..now I know what that odd job was about. omg…i was part of…” and still not a peep.

    Or ???to what end
    ? of course the wto is coming to round us up. I ask this – any power that can do the above, what more are they waiting for? this is the eternal “jesus is going to return”that was 170 years stale by 9-11. I know, some still believe thats any day. Well, they can knock great buildings into another dimension, but they wont take your guns away without a shootout in the front hallway, of that we are certain.

  96. BigSoph

    December 28, 2015 at 8:33 pm

    Fact: Things designed to hold a static load comfortable often cannot hold a lesser dynamic amount
    The building was designed with sway and torque resistance from various sources. As some said, when the first floor lost structural strength due to steel heating up and it gave out it fell to the next floor. It switched from static to dynamic. Try this experiment: Hold a 10 pound bag of potatoes at arm’s length. It is easy; you can likely hold it for a bit. Now have someone throw a 10 lbs bag and catch it one handed at arms’ s length (i.e. no bending your elbow). It will just about tip you over
    I think, in addition to Godwin’s Law, we have to name the tendency to label any non-agreeing viewpoint as homo aries’ law (human sheep, or sheeple)

  97. Boothby171

    January 10, 2016 at 2:15 pm

    Walt, I think I represent a large number of us here when I ask this question: Just what in the world are you talking about?

    I’m not sure if you’re drinking the Kool-aid (or, I guess, WHOSE Kool-Aid are you drinking…), or poking fun at those who have.

  98. bascoda

    January 10, 2016 at 4:10 pm

    My sentiments exactly.

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